US, India and Israel to take out Pakistani Nuclear sites if Pakistan falls apart

Don’t know why the Western Media is constantly harping about Pakistani Nukes falling into radical hands.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=22039

Pakistan in crisis: Who controls the nukes?

In Pakistan, is a fat lady singing?

Maybe somewhere, perhaps on a balcony in Islamabad, she is already clearing her throat and doing warm-up exercises for a soon-to-come, not-so-fond farewell song for the democracy-crushing, U.S.-backed dictator, President General Pervez Musharraf, whose days now appeared to be numbered, even as he drags out the confusing, discouraging, dangerous final act of his ignoble demise.

Declaring a state of emergency on November 3, Musharraf suspended his country’s constitution, shut down independent media outlets, weakened the judiciary and arrested hundreds of his political opponents. This past week he told a reporter: “We need emergency law for peaceful [the] conduct of elections, so there won’t be any violence and bombings.” Musharraf has said that parliamentary elections will take place in Pakistan in January. In the meantime, he says, he will not tolerate anyone breaking “the law of the land.” With the elections looming, and with Pakistan in crisis, Musharraf observed: “We don’t want anyone in agitation mode;] Pakistan comes first, and there are certain realities on the ground - extremism and terrorism - that made me decide to go with emergency law…I am the strongest believer in democracy.” Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 military coup, said: “I brought democracy to Pakistan and I still believe in it.” When asked when he might declare an end to emergency rule, he replied: “I don’t know.” (Pakistan Times, citing an interview in the Washington Post)

A commentator in Pakistan’s Frontier Post writes: “[T]he country is heading towards a crisis of a bigger magnitude than that of…October 1999 [when Musharraf carried out his coup] or [the third of] November 2007…Musharraf will be very lucky if he [can] win the new battle with his old armory after shedding his uniform.” The general who became president has said he expects to step down soon from his active-duty post as the head of Pakistan’s army.

Op-ed columnist Eric Margolis (Toronto Sun) notes that former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger “once quipped that being America’s ally is more dangerous than being its enemy. The latest example: Washington is abuzz with leaks the Bush administration plans to dump its faithful but embattled Pakistani retainer,…Musharraf, and replace him with a new general or a cooperative, civilian-led government.” As “turmoil spreads across Pakistan, Musharraf’s grip on power daily grows weaker,” Margolis notes, adding that the Bush gang, having failed to “broker a shotgun marriage between Musharraf and [his political rival, former Prime Minister] Benazir Bhutto,” now has its eyes on a possible successor. The dictator’s “most likely replacement”: the Pakistani army’s vice chief of staff, General Ashfaq Kiyani. Margolis adds: “But one never knows. Bhutto also told me she was wisely reaching out to Pakistan’s leading Islamic Party, Jamiat Islami.”

Meanwhile, Margolis warns, “For the first time, I hear Pakistanis calling Musharraf, ‘pharaoh.’ This is a storm-warning signal. ‘Pharoah’ is what Iranians called their hated, U.S.-backed Shah, and Egyptians the equally hated U.S.-installed dictator, Anwar Sadat [who was killed in 1981]. They now use the same epithet for Egypt’s current military ruler, Hosni Mubarak. The Shah was overthrown by a popular revolution; Sadat was assassinated to national joy; and Mubarak is in deepening trouble.” The Canadian columnist writes: “America’s profoundly counter-productive policy in the Muslim world has been to support dictators and monarchs who follow Washington’s orders, no matter how unpopular or bitterly opposed [they may be], rather than nurturing genuinely popular, democratic governments.”

More for Washington to worry about: “As Pakistan’s political turmoil deepens, the security of its nuclear arsenal is a concern…” India and Western governments “may well be dusting off ‘contingency plans’ to deal with the unthinkable: the disintegration of Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction falling into the hands of extremists.” But don’t worry, says an analyst at the U.S.-based consulting firm Strategic Forecasting, Inc. Kamran Bokhari, the head of the company’s Middle East section, said the U.S. Army Special Forces “would go in and secure them…” Bush’s former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, recently observed: “Make no mistake. This is a very dangerous situation…If the [Pakistani] military comes unstuck, if it divides, then the technical fixes [access-control mechanisms] won’t protect those weapons.” Trying to put a reassuring spin on an alarming scenario, a U.S. Department of Defense spokesman said: “At this point, we have no concerns. We believe that they [the bombs] are under the appropriate control.” (Scotsman)

owever, the Scotsman reports: “When Pakistan developed its nuclear arsenal, it put the weapons in the northwest of the country, away from [its] traditional enemy, India. Those sites now lie on the doorstep of al-Qaeda and Taliban militants…If Washington decided that Pakistan was imploding, or [that] it needed to act immediately, its most extreme option would be precision air strikes to take out the country’s nuclear capability. Israel and India are likely to have contingenc[y plans] to destroy the half-dozen key sites in the same way.” Meanwhile, unlike other nuclear-armed countries, in Pakistan, “the army is solely in charge of the nuclear weapons,” and since the 1980s, “the army and military intelligence agencies have been systematically radicalized” - that is, their ties to certain Islamic-jihadist groups have strengthened.

Control of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons reportedly lies in the hands of “about 8000 personnel who are vetted in extraordinary detail.” Pakistan has in place a system of “authorization codes for the use of [the] weapons”; this command-and-control structure supposedly “closely mirrors” that of the U.S. The Scotsman notes that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has expressed “her confidence that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are in ‘safe hands.’ The moment that ceases to be true, you can bet on U.S. military action worthy of a Hollywood thriller.”

Re: US, India and Israel to take out Pakistani Nuclear sites if Pakistan falls apart

wow! thanks M2K...

Re: US, India and Israel to take out Pakistani Nuclear sites if Pakistan falls apart

If USA can wage a war against Iraq for WMD it can do the same claiming to secure the nukes from falling in to hands of Extremists.

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^^ M2K this time you faltered (off course you have done so only a few times).

Quoting prejudiced lefties like Margolis or Washington compost on Pakistani nukes is not good.

This will only increase the sense and encourage the leftie propaganda within Pakistan that USA is bad! very bad!

The reality is that USA has allowed and "indirectly" supplied and supported Pakistani nukes as a counter-balance to Indians.

All the nuts and bolts of Pakistani program has Made in the West stamps on it.

So let's avoid this sensationalism. We are already trying to rid of anarchy spread by lefties and Mullahs.

And please do not bring Israel in this pic. Israel never had problems with Pakistan. It is in the figment of imagination of Pakistani Mullahs, and Indians that they can turn Israel into an anti-Pakistani force.

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Antiobl,
I think It's high time to recognize, that we are not dealing just with one threat but with many. One of them is the US, India and Israel Itself.
If we keep selling ourselves to them like this, then soon we will have no more power to restrain their threats. US change faces in seconds, we have had lots of examples in the past. One was Zia, the another Zulfiqar. Who is next?

I was just wondering where all these guys on GS have gone, who once used to blaME the same countries of hurting Pakistan badly. Being now on Mushys side, they have kept their voices very low.

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antiobl wants to read the press only that resembles his views on a matter. Same problem is with Zillay Subhani Musharraf, he is not seeing the writing on the wall, its getting bolder and bolder. But the guy wants to save his kursi over anything. He certainly a time bomb for Paksitan. Not doing enough with Mullahs and Jihadiz, creating excuse to prolong his rule and reasons for US to attack Pakistan at once.

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It's just a matter of time, when even a person like A-obl will have to realize that this all here is more logical then he first tought of. We need to be one for once, otherwise iss cantry ka khuda hafiz.

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Times of India is reporting that Pakistani nukes are already under US control. wow! I did not know that!

**Pak nukes already under US control: Report

**In a stunning disclosure certain to stir up things in Washington’s (and in Islamabad and New Delhi’s) strategic community, the journal Stratfor reported on Monday that the “United States delivered a very clear ultimatum to Musharraf in the wake of 9/11: Unless Pakistan allowed US forces to take control of Pakistani nuclear facilities, the United States would be left with no choice but to destroy those facilities, possibly with India’s help.”

“This was a fait accompli that Musharraf, for credibility reasons, had every reason to cover up and pretend never happened, and Washington was fully willing to keep things quiet,” the journal, which is widely read among the intelligence community, said.

The Stratfor commentary came in response to an earlier * New York Times * story that reported that the Bush administration had spent around $100 million to help Pakistan safeguard its nuclear weapons, but left it unclear if Washington has a handle on the arsenal.

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i'd certainly urge india and israel to overcome suicidal fantasies or it WILL bajj

pakistan needs to keep its top brass paak, thats all.

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Lets all thank our freindly neighborhood tyrant Mushy.... his thirst for power (and blood) is so great that even our nuclear weapons are now threatened.

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I don't want to say "Control". However US is friendly to both India and Pakistan. Thus it helps both countries to monitor and secure their respective nukie arsenal. Because real US control means that USA has transfered the nukes to USA like it does with Russian plutonium weapons.

BTW USA is spending $millions to help Russians secure their nukies as well. And a lot of decommissioned weapons are physically being moved to secure sites within the USA.

So anyone focusing too much on Pakistan weapons (without proper context) is trying to stir up Pakistani Fundoos and Pakistani lefties against USA (and in turn against pro-US Pak army).

This is part of the information warfare by Lefties (both present and ex-lefties) against Pakistan.

That's all.

Re: US, India and Israel to take out Pakistani Nuclear sites if Pakistan falls apart

Threat of India - Real

Threat of Israel - Far Fetched

Threat of USA - Imaginary

USA has patronized and protected Pakistanis since 1947 for very specific "Ideological" reasons. Our health and wealth has all been thanks to the USA. That was precisely because Pakistanis never believed in commie-leftie sloganeering a la Nehru (or Castro, or Chavez).

India on the other hand went the commie way and became an authentic Ruskie client. Once Commies went kaput, India realized that the world was pretty scary. And thus it began slow at first, and then quick 180 degree turn to the USA.

So now India wants to give USA all the military bases. In the name of nukie treaty, it has agreed to hand over every possible detail of their nukie program.

Indian commerce is now tightly linked to American industry.

So anyone who still raises USA as a threat against Pakistan or India is simply repeating ex-commie leftie lies.

Americans win when they make more money through their industry. And the last thing they want is to attack either their "long-term" ally Pakistan, or "newly-found" ally India. Nor they want India or Pakistan to fight with each other. Remember Collin Powell fired just one warning shot across Indian leadership during the India-Pakistan border fever, and Indians said Yes Sir Yes Sir three bags full.

So keep these leftie cockeyed theories alive, and you may get somewhere someday (just like the commies did some 15 years ago to i.e. doom).

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lol… The US, Israel, and India!
Talk about the three stooges:hehe:

US is Moe,
Israel is Larry,
and India is Curly…

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laying the groundwork and beginning to build people's perceptions for grounds for future attacks if needed.

still time for people to wake up, but looking at the bandwagoneers I doubt it.

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Rebel bhai,

Do you ever wonder?

-----How come it takes one leftie rag to wind the whole Pakistani nation against the USA.

-----How come this thread about Israel-India keeps coming up with nauseating frequency without any credible evidence?

-----How come every time Israel says even a positive thing (like congratulating President Musharraf on his reelection) that Pakistani media and commentators go berserk?

------Is it that we have developed an extreme fear of Israel due to the extreme prejudiced feelings bordering Antisemitism?

Peace!

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ahhh no when israel says something positive about Pakistan.. we have ppl jumpig up and down that pakistan has sold out palestinains etc etc.

yeah seen it many times..predictible now

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if israel is right, we are wrong then surely this must bring into question pakistans right to keep wmd's as part of its armoury.

if that is true, then it is also true that pakistans demand on kashmir is unreasonable. again questioning the usefulness and morality behined a pak wmd program.

if pak has been unreasonable with regards to israel then it has surely been extremely unreasonable with india. lets free the indians from our feudalism?! aka leave em alone

do the right thing, hand em back, sign the npt!

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hahahaha...Pakistan Nuclear Assets are placed at Anarkali Bazar..or Raja Bazar ..that they will take it......

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Pardon me?!

There is a threat by India, but obviously not from Israel and the USA? If Israel and USA would get any chance to nuke Pak, they would do in a minute. Since they have this nuclear monitoring appetence since years now, H-Bombs can't be dropped that easily. There won't be any more India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, some part of China. And they have realized It. After all Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir are desperately needed these days. What else can effect minor booms on US of A economy, If not war and crimes?

Uncle Sams, Wife Yuhuud desires for a swim in Ganga Ram.
So bette wake up, before It's too late.

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Nonsense. TOI is a comic, and even stratfor is merely a bunch of people playing guessing games. Pak nuclear arsenal is firmly in Pakistani hands. No one would ever sign them away.