Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Well, the Iraq war was neither for humanity/freedom nor for oil, it was for Israel. Bush being an evangelist neo-con, he was itching to concoct a reason to get rid of Saddam who had threatened Israel.
you don't consider nerve gas WMD and killing of thousands of kurds with that, intent?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Iraq's having some WMDs at some point of time was not the argument. Point is that Iraq did not have any WMD at the time of attack, not even nerve gas. And that is precisely the reason why war was inflicted.
Bush was looking all over the country for any WMD.
Show me the links saying that WMDs of some sort, even nerve gas, were found there.
If you like I can show you links saying that intelligence about WMDs currently there was concocted.
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^ oh I know they didn't find any, no need for links on that. but it is a fact that saddam gassed the kurds and invaded kuwait.
he could easily have allowed transparent inspections instead of playing catnmouse games. at the end the mouse was eaten by the cat.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
You do a brilliant job of avoiding the facts. The US found no WMDs. End of story. The reasons for the invasion were false. They were lies.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
You do a brilliant job of avoiding the facts. The US found no WMDs. End of story. The reasons for the invasion were false. They were lies.
In a Q&A you should learn the question before opining on the answer.
The question in this thread was about Exxon's deal for oil in Kurdistan. Some members suggested this deal proved the war was about oil. I showed why that is not the case.
Then somebody countered with the lack of WMD discovery. I pointed out that Saddam had indeed used WMD.
Think Khoji said there were no WMD's at the time of the US attack - and I said I don't need links to prove that, because I know already.
How is that avoiding facts?
Please think before commenting
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Bindaz you are extremely dogamtic in your approach. You hold to views that are incoherent and illogical. The entire world including the US government says there were no WMDs there and you still say it was a valid reason for attack. For Gods sake their own congressmen say invading Iraq was a mistake. Yet you think it was all fine.
Of course he had WMDs. The americans sold them to him to use against the Iranis and the Kurds.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
You do a brilliant job of avoiding the facts. The US found no WMDs. End of story. The reasons for the invasion were false. They were lies.
.....bla bla
Of course he had WMDs. The americans sold them to him to use against the Iranis and the Kurds.
I rest my case.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
In a Q&A you should learn the question before opining on the answer.
The question in this thread was about Exxon's deal for oil in Kurdistan. Some members suggested this deal proved the war was about oil. I showed why that is not the case.
Then somebody countered with the lack of WMD discovery. I pointed out that Saddam had indeed used WMD.
Think Khoji said there were no WMD's at the time of the US attack - and I said I don't need links to prove that, because I know already.
How is that avoiding facts?
Please think before commenting
US controls the Oil and all the infrastructure to extract the oil
US own the iraqi parliment
There was no WMDs found which was the 2nd gulf war lame excuse to illegally occupy iraq
you have proved 0 dude get over it you are a bigger liar than bush administration congratulations on proving that much.
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^ oh I know they didn't find any, no need for links on that. but it is a fact that saddam gassed the kurds and invaded kuwait.
he could easily have allowed transparent inspections instead of playing catnmouse games. at the end the mouse was eaten by the cat.
Dude. The war in Iraq is unjustifiable.
Cat and mouse games he may or may not have played, but either way, the War was unjustified.
BTW, the bombing of the Kurds occurred near the end of his war with Iran, the nemesis of the US. The US was also giving him weapons
then.
Also, the bombing of the Kurds occurred in 1988, a full 15 years before the invasion in 2003. The invasion was after a crippling loss to the coalition in Kuwait, after he killed god knows how many Shia during their uprising following the Kuwait war, and after nearly ten years of sanctions whch included UN weapoms inspectors.
The Bush administration themselves admitted they overstated the case, and used faulty intelligence.
No point in defending the indefensible here.
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I rest my case.
Where were the weapons?
You can say he had them, but thats just conjecture. Even the Bush admin and the Tony Blair govt admitted they had bad intelligence.
And at the end of the day, if the whole basis for the war were WMD's, which did not exist, nor was there ever eivdence they did, then you have to admit the war was wrong.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
US controls the Oil and all the infrastructure to extract the oil
US own the iraqi parliment
There was no WMDs found which was the 2nd gulf war lame excuse to illegally occupy iraq
you have proved 0 dude get over it you are a bigger liar than bush administration congratulations on proving that much.
rommel - just look at this thread. The Iraqi central minister is saying no to Exxon doing a deal with the Iraqi Kurdish regional government. Does that sound like America controlling Iraq? put your conspiracy theories aside and be objective.
Exxon and dozens of other companies from around the globe, INCLUDING CHINA have deals in Iraq.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Where were the weapons?
You can say he had them, but thats just conjecture. Even the Bush admin and the Tony Blair govt admitted they had bad intelligence.
And at the end of the day, if the whole basis for the war were WMD's, which did not exist, nor was there ever eivdence they did, then you have to admit the war was wrong.
If you concede the fact that Saddam Hussein had & used nerve gas on Kurds (which everyone so far concedes as fact) and if you concede the fact that Saddam Hussein had territorial ambitions and invaded Kuwait (which again everyone so far concedes as fact),
why do you deny the next logical step of suspecting he he has WMD? What is your explanation for his cat-n-mouse game of refusing to cooperate with international inspectors?
America liberated Kuwait and put Saddam Hussein in his place. Otherwise given the above facts, where do you think Saddam's ambitions & atrocities landed rest of middle-east?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
rommel - just look at this thread. The Iraqi central minister is saying no to Exxon doing a deal with the Iraqi Kurdish regional government. Does that sound like America controlling Iraq? put your conspiracy theories aside and be objective.
Exxon and dozens of other companies from around the globe, INCLUDING CHINA have deals in Iraq.
Your argument is based on statement of the iraqi crntral minister says something against Us policy so by default your say that makes iraq immediate independent and free from US control hahhaha i suggest you drink a large cup of reality check!
next you will tell us pakistan is free from US control because the pak interior minister closed one or two air bases to them!
iraqi Parliament in controlled by the suits in washington, so who ever controls parliament controls whole country including the oil industry. Giving petty contracts to french or chinese firms does not mean US has no hold on the oil sector.
give it a rest people laughing at with your claims of invisible WMD's and US having no control on oil hahaha
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
did you miss the posts about how it is not just American companies but severaal other countries including China thaat are making oil deals in Iraq? 
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Your claims was refuted in a previous thread 4th post in.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/527078-the-chance-for-a-better-and-brighter-future.html
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
If you concede the fact that Saddam Hussein had & used nerve gas on Kurds (which everyone so far concedes as fact) and if you concede the fact that Saddam Hussein had territorial ambitions and invaded Kuwait (which again everyone so far concedes as fact),
why do you deny the next logical step of suspecting he he has WMD? What is your explanation for his cat-n-mouse game of refusing to cooperate with international inspectors?
America liberated Kuwait and put Saddam Hussein in his place. Otherwise given the above facts, where do you think Saddam's ambitions & atrocities landed rest of middle-east?
You can not justify a war on the basis of suspicion, evidence must exist and be presented. You cannot assume guilt, regardless of past conduct. This is very basic logic. If an accused, has a history of criminality in the past, that still is not grounds for pronouncing guilt. If evidence is provided to convict, then fine. However if the prosecution admits that their evidence was faulty, or not accurate, the the convicted would be granted another trial. Now in the case of Iraq we know the evidence as faulty, the accused actually did not posses WMDs. So the accused was killed unjustly. The war was wrong because it was based on unsubstantiated suspicions, not facts. You should admit that.
The problem is that the Bush admin, and Blair govt, committed themselves to a war even before the had a rational to declare it. The entire thing was based on faulty intel, and the case in favor of war had so many gaping holes in it, that the govt and media worked overtime to hide it by denouncing critics and using hyper-patriotic rhetoric.. Did they know that the intel was faulty? Perhaps not, its hard to say. Whats more likely is that in their haste to go to war, they ignored better judgement, and allowed even the most flimsiest of intel to guide them. In retrospect we know thet were wrong, and this is a fact. Why defend a war we all now was based on a something that was obviously wrong?
And yes the US took out a dictator. But then there are many dictators inthe world. Should the US take them all out?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
What kind of logic drives this conclusion, that if Exxon Mobile is bidding on an oil contract through an auction, the United States is stealing Iraq’s oil or that it is illegal to bid on a contract? Is it illegal for China, Russia and other countries to bid on an oil contract in another country? Should the entire world back off from bidding on oil contracts in other countries? Why can we not look at this as it is and recognize that it would prove advantageous to Iraq’s growing economy? This system guarantees that Iraq receives the best and the most profitable offer for its oil. Companies from all around the world are and have been participating in these auctions, and the decision ultimately lies with the Iraqi government.
Iraq’s natural resource is now under the control of the Iraqi people instead of one dictator. Is that not a gain for the Iraqi people? Do you realize how beneficial a free and democratic government in Iraq will prove to the progress of its people and country? Instead of revenue going towards more palaces for a dictator and to the bank accounts of a handful elites, it is now possible for this revenue to be spent on building infrastructure, schools, education, health care, transport and other social services beneficial to all Iraqis. Is that a gain for the United States, or for the Iraqi people?
MAJ David Nevers,
DET – U.S. Central Command
www.centcom.mil/
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
@Med911 - I will never justify any war if it is based in territorial or other expansionist ambitions. The attack on Saddam Hussein was BECAUSE of the deeds of Saddam Hussein. Why do you not see the seriousness of his usage of WMD and invasion of Kuwait as clear evidence of his evil?
Would you also comment on this thread's flawed assertion that somehow Exxon doing a commercial deal for oil, just like many other countries have done including China with Iraq, somehow that has anything to do with motives for the war?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
@Med911 - I will never justify any war if it is based in territorial or other expansionist ambitions. The attack on Saddam Hussein was BECAUSE of the deeds of Saddam Hussein. Why do you not see the seriousness of his usage of WMD and invasion of Kuwait as clear evidence of his evil?
Would you also comment on this thread's flawed assertion that somehow Exxon doing a commercial deal for oil, just like many other countries have done including China with Iraq, somehow that has anything to do with motives for the war?
Ideally speaking, ALL dictatorship should be held to account. But the reality is that most aren't.
Most wars are in essesnce based on the procurement of resources. The war in Iraq is also essentially a war for resources both directly and indirectly. Calling it a war to win freedom for the Iraqi people is just being deceptive. If it were truly about the Iraqi people this war would have occurred directly after Saddam bombed the Kurds.
Wars of this magnitude are not fought just to protect innocents. No country is going to expend resources on this scale to protection civilians. No there is always something there to make such a war worth the price.
As for Kuwait, the US and her allies did expel Saddam from Kuwait. This was because Kuwait is important economically and strategically. But again notice how they did not invade Iraq then, even as Saddam began cracking down on Shia rebels... Ten years of sanctions, that inflicted untold misery on the Iraqi people, and suddenly its time for an invasion?!?
And to justify it the use all sorts of bogus arguments.
Its the hypocrasy of it all that is so objectionable.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
So CENTCOM It would be okay in your opinion for a rich Arab Sheikh to start drilling oil in Texas and never deal direct or bypass the entire US government. Well done! That is just brilliant. Someone should tell your superiors.