Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Killing hundreds of thousands of iraqis in an illegal war and then stealing their oil is not business deal its called a war crime how sick can you get?
We are all war criminals. Americans, Europeans, Indian, Chinese, Pakistanis as well.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
I suppose he is right about it being an Illegal war and Exxon wether it pays for it or not has no right to oil that is obtained through an illegal invasion... Were it not for the invasion Exxon would probably never have got there. Also not always such oil deals are good for the people of that country sometimes it is almost par with theft when you give all the money to a few corrupt officials and take the oil away from the native people who have more of a right to thier own resource. Iraqi people should be the ones to decide who gets the oil. However I doubt anyones really asked the majority of Iraqs population on the matter... as always the rich get richer and the poor just die.
Isnt it always the case that the rich and powerful exploit the weak?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
One of the main reason american company was able to ink the deal is, none of he muslim country have ounce of technology or something near to it which can pump oil out of ground and later refine it... then who should they consider... as a matter of fact, the electronic equipment which are used to light the Khana Ka'ba and to recite Quran and telecast it live to rest of the world is bought or rented from the jews and americans or europeans.. so either wakeup and start learning the technology or just continue to whine about it
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
@faris - Exxon and its tributary companies have always been the ones that have exploring and developing oil fields for the missle east. It has very little to do with the wars
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
One of the main reason american company was able to ink the deal is, none of he muslim country have ounce of technology or something near to it which can pump oil out of ground and later refine it... then who should they consider... as a matter of fact, the electronic equipment which are used to light the Khana Ka'ba and to recite Quran and telecast it live to rest of the world is bought or rented from the jews and americans or europeans.. so either wakeup and start learning the technology or just continue to whine about it
The problem is a combination of colonial powers exploiting africa and asia it is also weak governments in our homelands it not a simple black and white as just having no technology base.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Is it cognitive dissonance or more wanton malice that makes it difficult for some to understand the simplest of business deals ???
Exxon is a huge global company in the energy sector. They do a deal with Iraq and you complain. If they decline to do a deal then again you will complain as them discriminating against a muslim country!
How else do you expect Iraq to realize their oil revenues without selling oil? Give it away free to Pakistan?
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Yes that is why you exclude the legal government in your deals. That is exactly what Exxon did.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Yes that is why you exclude the legal government in your deals. That is exactly what Exxon did.
really? does this sound like the government is excluded?
quote:
Exxon declined to comment, but** officials in Kurdistan confirmed that a contract had been signed on Oct. 18. On Sunday, the regional energy minister, Ashti Hawrami, told reporters at an oil conference in Erbil, the Kurdish capital, that Exxon had been awarded six exploration blocks.**
end quote.
In fact this shows Iraqi government is not a puppet regime of the USA which was the intended theme of the thread - that America has colonized Iraq and taking its oil!
Iraqi government is still working out its central-provincial accords. Exxon should be lauded for taking this risk
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Signed with whom? Why would this be an issue if it was all legal?
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BAGHDAD — A deputy prime minister overseeing Iraq’s oil industry criticized Exxon Mobil on Sunday over its effort to expand into the semiautonomous Kurdish region in the country’s north.
The statement from the official, Hussein al-Shahristani, said the central government had cautioned Exxon against pursuing oil deals in Kurdistan. The government considers such agreements to be illegal until long-awaited rules can be worked that would divide revenues among Iraq’s fractious regions.
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First three lines from the original link.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
The regional energy minister in Kurdistan says Exxon was awarded the lease. that makes it pretty legal.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Since when does Kurdistan have an independent energy minister from the Government of Iraq? Seriously you have no leg to stand on in this discussion. The legal Government of Iraq was ignored. The original link states as much. The government of Iraq says they are illegal.
Doesn't matter what you think.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
The problem is a combination of colonial powers exploiting africa and asia it is also weak governments in our homelands it not a simple black and white as just having no technology base.
Actually it is. The countries that have oil, cant profit from it without the technology to process it. So guess where they turn.
Im sure you have a point lurking somewhere, but you aren't able to articulate it.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Since when does Kurdistan have an independent energy minister from the Government of Iraq? Seriously you have no leg to stand on in this discussion. The legal Government of Iraq was ignored. The original link states as much. The government of Iraq says they are illegal.
Doesn't matter what you think.
and it is the same link that quotes the regional energy minister. That aside...and in either case whether the regional or central minister prevails, the premise of this thread that US invaded Iraq for oil stands debunked.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
and it is the same link that quotes the regional energy minister. That aside...and in either case whether the regional or central minister prevails, the premise of this thread that US invaded Iraq for oil stands debunked.
the only place it is debunked is in that empty space inside your head.
In reality the whole world knows the invasion was illegal.
It was for control of resources, having another puppet regime and strengthening the US presence in the Gulf.
debunk that!
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
Actually it is. The countries that have oil, cant profit from it without the technology to process it. So guess where they turn.
Im sure you have a point lurking somewhere, but you aren't able to articulate it.
With a weak government who essentially are paid stooges who do not have any idea of building industrial base, how you expect them to start utilizing there own resources or even start technology R&D and implementation?
With colonial nations exploiting these same regimes they own, the status quo will remain.
You cannot simply dump whole load of money on the problem and expect education and technology to spring up. From the root the system has to be correct and have a vision of where it is going i.e china 5 year plans as an example.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
and it is the same link that quotes the regional energy minister. That aside...and in either case whether the regional or central minister prevails, the premise of this thread that US invaded Iraq for oil stands debunked.
Acha. So you are essentially saying the regional ministry has more authority than the legal government of iraq? Well done.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
With a weak government who essentially are paid stooges who do not have any idea of building industrial base, how you expect them to start utilizing there own resources or even start technology R&D and implementation?
With colonial nations exploiting these same regimes they own, the status quo will remain.
You cannot simply dump whole load of money on the problem and expect education and technology to spring up. From the root the system has to be correct and have a vision of where it is going i.e china 5 year plans as an example.
That the Muslims fell behind, that they failed to innovate, that they failed to adapt and progress is why they were colonized and exploited in the first place. The failure isn't due to colonization, it preceded it.
That they continue to fail is testement to the fact that they still haven't learned. Example the Saudis spend lavishly on gaudy estates and all sorts of other extravagance, while their idea of educating is opening Wahhabi madrasas in hapless countries like Pakistan.
Just look at your mentality. What hope is their for a people who support murderers and criminals, who believe women have no place in society, beards are obligatory, music is haram and listening to it is a grave sin, all because they claim to be Muslim, and only to spite the Kufar.
No the pathetic state of Muslims is the fault of Muslims. Whining and blaming 'colonialism' is just an excuse, and only perpetuates the problem.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
and it is the same link that quotes the regional energy minister. That aside...and in either case whether the regional or central minister prevails, the premise of this thread that US invaded Iraq for oil stands debunked.
Of course it was not for oil. It was for WMD's which the highly sophisticated American satellites had picked up and were shown at UN. When the American army entered Iraq they found so many WMD's that were overwhelmed and it took them years to clean the place. How can the Americans be wrong.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
^ lack of finding WMD then autumatically translate to they did for oil? is Exxon taking the oil away without paying them? or Iraq does not want to export their oil?
You know that this is a tussle between the centre and province on how oil revenue is shared. Nothing to do with the war.
PS: nothing stopped Saddam Hussein from being fully transparent and proving to the world he did not have wmd. But he didn't do that.
PS2: and no the question of sovereignty did not apply to Saddam Hussein because of the kuwaiti invasion and the gassing of the kurds with wmd.
Re: US corporation signs huge oil deal In Iraq but War was not about oil they claimed
** So the invasion and division of iraq was for humanity and freedom and all the other rubbish the US propoganda machine pumped out to the world and they said to anyone foolish enough to belive them the invasion had nothing to do with greed for oil!!!! as the above story shows the American regime are kuffar and as kuffar we know they lie and here they lied again no surprise!**
Well, the Iraq war was neither for humanity/freedom nor for oil, it was for Israel. Bush being an evangelist neo-con, he was itching to concoct a reason to get rid of Saddam who had threatened Israel.