US considering apology over Salala attack

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if they had to apologize they would have on 27th of Nov at the most, now there is no chance as they say Pakistani army initiated the event. Pakistan should not open the NATO supplies, thats my solution to the problem its Americas problem if they consider it as an act of war or what ever. Which ally attack friendly soldiers in the first place and then dont even apologize and promise not to carry out similar incidence in the future.

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^^ A quick question, what does apology means in international relation or what is the importance of Apology in such situation.... please search for the answer, read it there and tell us in one or two lines...

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In international relations apologies dont mean much as if the Americans do apologize Pakistanis will still be sceptical from their actions but that could placate some constituents of our politicians, thats it.

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Just for the sake of discussion, let us say what you are saying is right... now what should Pakistan do??? say no to the apology and cross the border and kill 24 US soldiers whereas a team from US is busy digging out our soldiers from the snow in the battlefield within Pakistan? again back to square one!!! what should Pakistan do??? please again realistic solution and not idealistic ones!!!!

And let say, in real world, as per PC's recommendations, If US apologizes and some things gets work out then what is the problem there??? again, have you listened to me and have red about the importance of apology on the matters such is under discussion here... things could have been less confusing for you...

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Ok lets say the most realistic solution is to open the NATO supplies after all this, so what was this process (PCNS recommendations) all about? Ok lets rephrase the question what has changed before and after these recommendations?

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^^ Bhai Mian, this topic is about the Salala Attack you want to discuss PC's recommendation than i remember there is a topic running on the same.. please post your questions or comments there... irony is me being a member telling a mod of the section to do things which he suppose to tell me

Now back to the question!!!

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Where have I said that Pakistani army should cross the border and kill American soldiers? Even when the supplies were open our friends were alleging that their soldiers are being killed in Afghanistan through Haqqani network (which is a veritable arm of ISI: Mike Mullen). I dont think the issue is dependent solely on American apology.

Japanese have tendered apology for their crimes, but still the affected countries see them with suspicion.

Anyways in some circumstances it can help improving the relationships as well:

Amazon.com: Sorry States: Apologies in International Politics (Cornell Studies in Security Affairs) (9780801446252): Jennifer Lind: Books

But if you say these are apologies for war time acts, and that Pakistan and US are allies then I cant help it.

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^^ You still have missed the part of my question

Anyways, it is not just you but most of the DPC and like minds who believes in doing politics on popular issues will purposely miss it because they simply do not have realistic alternate...

now what this apology means... this apology provides Pakistan to raise the issue on UN Security council and seek support of UN and other countries if similar incident takes place in near future... How!!! simple, Apology means US accepts that they have done wrong and they won't do that again... now this wrong doing of US has got official position and will make life of US and Allies a bit difficult if they want to cross the border from SWA or NWA or any other part...

Now we the Pakistani Army and Nation by any chance are no match for US might and its Army and the warfare it have... the only defense shield which can save us from total destruction is the international support of the countries such as Russia, China..

I have tried to keep it simple and brief, if you can understand it fine if not then not my problem...

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ok we will see what kind of apology they tender because for that they will need to acknowledge their mistake.

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A pretty silly comparison of an intentional murder of 24 soldiers, and a natural calamity that noone could have predicted. Remember Katrina, and how 'effective' the worlds biggest and most powerful country was against that?

US is obviously the stronger force, and the only reason they are 'negotiating' with Pakistan on this issue is because they want to maintain a so called noble face in the international arena. However, the statement that US is 'thinking' about an apology clearly means that our government has asked for some political fodder for domestic consumption from the americans, and the mighty americans 'will think about it'.

Chances are, the US will issue a veiled apology, and our government will portray itself as the democratic bunch of jackass heroes who extracted an apology from the US.

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Grosman was in Pakistan for the past two days, and the talks have failed as the Americans are not willing to apologize for salala incidence.

NYT: Talks Between U.S. and Pakistan Fail Over Airstrike Apology

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One has to be a Shah Rukh Khan to qualify for a US apology. Killing of 24 soldiers is way off the mark.

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I don’t understand why are you comparing apples with oranges? Shah Rukh Khan’s issue is entirely different and trivial than killing of soldiers. Where as it is easy for Americans to apologize incident like Shah Rukh Khan’s, it requires a lots of thinking before apologizing for above incident. It will effect the opinion of not only common Americans but whole world. I could see the embarrassed faces of Americans when one of his solider involved in killing of innocent 15 Afghan Civilians. Do you understand this difference?

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^ if I am reading you correctly, does it mean that A: they are innocent? B: We should forget about any formal apology?

May I ask you why are you excluding the humane factor from this equation? If you can be sorry for a little bit of inconvenience to a star, what does it take away from you if you are sorry for being part of a madness that kills 24 soldiers?

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I am saying from the perspective of being American. Perhaps you don't know Americans, they are very proud people and consider them as superior in every respect as compared to other nations. After 911, they think their actions are not only in the interest of their own country but for whole world.

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^ there has to be a difference between pride and arrogance.

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so American envoys left without a formal apology? are we still going to keep begging them for an apology?

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Overall they are not arrogant, proud yes. But exceptions are everywhere.

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i can't be the only one amused by the pakistani parliament demanding assurances that the 26/11 attacks will never happen again and the perpetrators be brought to justice.

lol.

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care to explain.