since that is his only point, i doubt he’ll stop.
I don't need wikipedia to teach me what I already know.
So why did you leave those words out then, from your copy paste.
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The passage you posted doesn't refute anything I said. Hindi is India's only official language. The twenty two scheduled languages are not accorded the same status as Hindi at the federal level, nor does scheduled language status ensure any federal patronage. My original post was simply pointing out that the system you suggested earlier, with "at least six official languages" differs from the Indian system you seem to admire so much.
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I dont mind having Urdu in the center, as its a costly mistake we made and its too late to get rid of it.
Miss ‘Oh my daddajee taught me Urdu so I dont care what the rest of the country thinks or speaks’, can you come up with arguments rather than just personal remarks?
bengali was the official language alongside urdu after 52 so you can quit harping that point!
If what you said is completely true then it [bengali allowed to be spoken] should've been in Mujib's SIX POINTS but MAGICALLY it wasn't!
Let me rephrase them for you:
These points were first shared on February 12 1966. the points are given below:
*1. The Constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan in the true sense on the basis of the Lahore Resolution and for a parliamentary form of government based on the supremacy of a directly elected legislature on the basis of universal adult franchise. *
*2. The Federal Government shall deal with only two subjects; Defense and Foreign Affairs. All residuary subjects will be vested in the federating states. *
*3. There should be either two separate, freely convertible currencies for the two Wings, or one currency with two separate reserve banks to prevent inter-Wing flight of capital. *
4. The power of taxation and revenue collection shall be vested in the federating units. The Federal Government will receive a share to meet its financial obligations.
*5. Economic disparities between the two Wings shall disappear through a series of economic, fiscal, and legal reforms. *
6. A militia or paramilitary force must be created in East Pakistan, which at present has no defense of it own
I dont care about Mujeeb because I dont think highly of him, but facts are facts. The Bengali-Urdu started their freedom movement, theres no denying it.
in theory your right
in practise your wrong. punjabi has spread into seraiki and neighbouring hindko and potohari areas.
pashtu has been adopted by urban peshawari and kohati and also spread into kohistan.
hinndko is wiping out pashtu in the hazara areas and also spreading furter into kohistan.
seraiki is spreading west encroaching on khetrani, a dialect of seraiki
sindhi poses a threat to remaining balochi speakers in sindh and other languages such as thari, kuchi
if the 6 major languages are strengthened it will be the minority languages which will face the axe. i haveno idea why sindhi pashtun seraiki balochi nationalists complain the most about threats to language when these languages wont be the ones who will suffer
^ the joke, like I said, once we get rid of Urdu's sole imposition, we can start somewhere, by incorporating the other provincial languages, and THEN worry about the 'minor' languages that hardly anyone speak as opposed to provincial languages which are more rampant compared to Urdu.. Like I said, we have to start somewhere.
it should be additional LANGUAGES - some parts of pakistan contain a number of different languages in one area - by choosing a language thenyour just changing problems not solving them
^ Yes, and I am not devising we should pull out Urdu at all, its too late for that, you are right, but like you suggested, have the additional language of that area introduced as well.
in theory your right
in practise your wrong. punjabi has spread into seraiki and neighbouring hindko and potohari areas. pashtu has been adopted by urban peshawari and kohati and also spread into kohistan. hinndko is wiping out pashtu in the hazara areas and also spreading furter into kohistan. seraiki is spreading west encroaching on khetrani, a dialect of seraiki sindhi poses a threat to remaining balochi speakers in sindh and other languages such as thari, kuchi
if the 6 major languages are strengthened it will be the minority languages which will face the axe. i haveno idea why sindhi pashtun seraiki balochi nationalists complain the most about threats to language when these languages wont be the ones who will suffer
Right now, all of them face the axe, so something is better than nothing. Plus, we can always go by districts when making the choice on what language to introduce into the curriculum and the district level govt. Theres a reason why we have the zilah/tahsil boundaries.
it should be additional LANGUAGES - some parts of pakistan contain a number of different languages in one area - by choosing a language thenyour just changing problems not solving them
Like I said before, right now everything other than Urdu is being neglected. We have to start somewhere, and we cant start from the 'minor' languages that you seem to be worried about so much, lets start from the languages that are 5 times 5-10 times more widely spoken than Urdu and lets work our way down. We can do it, all we need is tolerance for other languages to flourish.
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Pakistan needs a Stalin!
I dont care about Mujeeb because I dont think highly of him, but facts are facts. The Bengali-Urdu started their freedom movement, theres no denying it.
Look, if things had been fixed on the economic and military front then you wouldn't even hear much about this issue! HOW DO YOU ANSWER TO THE FACT THAT BENGALI BECAME A CO-NATIONAL LANGUAGE AFTER 52? DOESN'T THAT ACTUALLY FULFILL BENGALI DEMAND????
Did you see big language riots in the sixties or seventies in E. Pakistan? Don't keep bringing wikipedia and 52 unless your only purpose is to flame and increase posts!
In 65, bengalis were upset that there was literally no army divisions present in E. Pakistan though India cunningly chose to limit the war to the West side in trying to covertly assure the bengalis that they were "on their side" against the evil W. Pakistanis!
The problem of the matter was and even is that the punjabi-pashtun diad overly dominate the army and they had these martial races theories and british planted ideas like defence of e. pakistan lay in the west [even there it wasn't stellar]. You must have relatives in the army so that you are unwilling to accept that point!
India had similar language riots in s. india like us but no one really talks about the issue anymore as the language issue was taken care [like in Pakistan] BUT other steps for economy and education were also taken and today s. indians are as patriotic as the hindi speaking north indians!
Miss 'Oh my daddajee taught me Urdu so I dont care what the rest of the country thinks or speaks', can you come up with arguments rather than just personal remarks?
Language is your ONLY POINT in this thread so she is right! You, on the other hand, with daddy this daddy that are actually getting "personal" with her!
If you use your brains, I said the Bengali freedom movement was kickstarted by this Urdu-Bengali conflict. Go read history chanda. Also, talk to any Bengali whose old enough to have lived through that time, and u’ll get your answers.
No I dont, infact no one in my family is in the Army, so you must be wrong
No they didnt, they dont force people to learn just one language, which is why they are doing MUCH better when it comes to provincial harmony.
Language is your ONLY POINT in this thread so she is right! You, on the other hand, with daddy this daddy that are actually getting "personal" with her!
When you start posting from your real nick, maybe we can discuss that.
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^ So I am wunderwoman now?
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I was reading an article the other day and bookmarked it, as it brought up an interesting analogy:
*Although we Pakistanis are grateful to Jinnah's efforts in the creation of Pakistan, as a human being he was not perfect. Jinnah's choice of Urdu as Pakistan's national language was his biggest mistake with long-term negative consequences for Pakistan. And his harsh words/attitude for Pakistanis against Urdu imposition is deplorable particularly when he stated those against Urdu as enemies of Pakistan. Similar condemnations for an aspect of other nations' founding fathers is not uncommon. For an extreme example, the founding fathers of the USA are condemned for their racist comments/attitude towards the Blacks, Native Americans, etc. But nations evolve with time.. modifying their stance on critical issues for the greater benefit of its peoples and national interest.. based on the ground realities whether that be for the sake of unity, fairness, equality, freedom, etc. Same thing applies to Pakistan with regard to the unjust imposition of Urdu as the national language. *
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No they didnt, they dont force people to learn just one language, which is why they are doing MUCH better when it comes to provincial harmony.
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So what do you think is meant by making bengali a national language alongside Urdu? Do you have bad comprehension skills?
PS "E. Pakistanis" also blame "punjabis" for raping 200,000 women and killing 3 million people so I guess you must believe that as well! :)
So what do you think is meant by making bengali a national language alongside Urdu? Do you have bad comprehension skills?
So do you admit making Bengali the national language alongside Urdu was the right thing to do? Now that you do, what do you have to say about the other provinces? 55% of Pakistan at that time spoke Bengali, as opposed to Urdu which was less than 5%. By this great logic of yours, there should be 5-10 other national languages.
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PS "E. Pakistanis" also blame "punjabis" for raping 200,000 women and killing 3 million people so I guess you must believe that as well! :)
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Yeah so Punjab airlifted itself and fell over Bengal and then the process started? Bengalis blame the Army, not the people.
^ So I am wunderwoman now?
So do you admit youre a multi-nicker or not? A yes or no will do.
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Yeah so Punjab airlifted itself and fell over Bengal and then the process started? Bengalis blame the Army, not the people.
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Because you based a lot of your answer on this:
Btw, to "bengalis" army = punjabis! :)
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Also, talk to any Bengali whose old enough to have lived through that time, and u'll get your answers.
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so let me get this straight, u think i got a new nick JUST to continue pointlessly arguing with u here, man what an ego…now you are really losing it…if i have something to say i’ll say it with my one and ONLY nick…and i have said plenty.
seriously dude, let it go, u are the ONLY one carrying on with this one-sided argument. i do not see anyone else sharing your views.