**“Pakistani and Bangladeshi households are the most likely to be workless at 22.3 per cent, while Indian households are the least likely, at 6.8 per cent.”
**There have been many such studies which point out that Indian households seem to be doing a lot better than Pakistani and Bangladeshi households (whether it is household income, college/university eduction or unemployment). Why is this so?
Does unemployment amongst Pakistani youth relate to them being more segregated and turning radical?
I know for a fact that Pakistanis in Canada do pretty good. Most are educated and employed well. I think (correct me if I’m wrong) its the same for Pakistanis in the USA. Why is it so different then for Pakistanis in UK?
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Maybe it is the culture which teaches the importance of education and work.
Maybe it is that majority of Indians believe in the importance of Karma in life.
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I did not say anything on purpose because I am an Indian and if I say something it will not be taken as positive input.
But heres what I think -
In short, the reason is poor education in Bangladeshi and Pakistani households.
Indians gives very high priority to education, and if they can they always want their kids to get the best education from best schools. Religion does not matter so much when deciding which school. It is something personal for them. I myself have done a part of my education in missionary school and I don't remember that ever a religious thought came to my parents mind. The only thing they thought was - Which is the best school where they can afford to send their son.
For a lot of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis religion matters so much that they would prefer a Madarsa that teach hatred for other religion, country and humans than a better funded western type school that can provide some good education.
Re: Unemployment Study in the UK - Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian households
I did not say anything on purpose because I am an Indian and if I say something it will not be taken as positive input.
But heres what I think -
In short, the reason is poor education in Bangladeshi and Pakistani households.
Indians gives very high priority to education, and if they can they always want their kids to get the best education from best schools. Religion does not matter so much when deciding which school. It is something personal for them. I myself have done a part of my education in missionary school and I don't remember that ever a religious thought came to my parents mind. The only thing they thought was - Which is the best school where they can afford to send their son.
For a lot of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis religion matters so much that they would prefer a Madarsa that teach hatred for other religion, country and humans than a better funded western type school that can provide some good education.
^^ adding a point to above note. All madarsaas may not teach hatred but their level of education is low and too much importance is given in teaching religion other than courses which are carrier oriented.
Re: Unemployment Study in the UK - Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian households
I did not say anything on purpose because I am an Indian and if I say something it will not be taken as positive input.
But heres what I think -
In short, the reason is poor education in Bangladeshi and Pakistani households.
Indians gives very high priority to education, and if they can they always want their kids to get the best education from best schools. Religion does not matter so much when deciding which school. It is something personal for them. I myself have done a part of my education in missionary school and I don't remember that ever a religious thought came to my parents mind. The only thing they thought was - Which is the best school where they can afford to send their son.
For a lot of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis religion matters so much that they would prefer a Madarsa that teach hatred for other religion, country and humans than a better funded western type school that can provide some good education.
No it is not about that. If this was the case then Pakistani wouldnot be doing so good In USA and Canada.
Actual reason is quality of immigrant. Majority of the Pakistani immigrants in UK came there as cheap labor and were not very educated. This reflected in upbringing of their kid and giving priority to education.
Where as due to strict immigration policies of USA( Except for Mexicans ;) ) , USA always attracted professionals from Pakistan who gave lot of attention to their kids education.
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I think the problem is not restricted to just pakistani immigrants only. It's the next generations that are born in UK that is the bigger problem. A very low percentage of Pakistani Immigrants in the west would send their kids to madrassas in the west, right? Most of them still go to regular public schools. In either case I still dont understand why are the statistics so different for Pakistanis in North America to Pakistanis in the UK?
Do we have any British Pakistanis on here who can shed some light?
Re: Unemployment Study in the UK - Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian households
No it is not about that. If this was the case then Pakistani wouldnot be doing so good In USA and Canada.
Actual reason is quality of immigrant. Majority of the Pakistani immigrants in UK came there as cheap labor and were not very educated. This reflected in upbringing of their kid and giving priority to education.
Where as due to strict immigration policies of USA( Except for Mexicans ;) ) , USA always attracted professionals from Pakistan who gave lot of attention to their kids education.
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I think the problem is not restricted to just pakistani immigrants only. It's the next generations that are born in UK that is the bigger problem. A very low percentage of Pakistani Immigrants in the west would send their kids to madrassas in the west, right? Most of them still go to regular public schools. In either case I still dont understand why are the statistics so different for Pakistanis in North America to Pakistanis in the UK?
Do we have any British Pakistanis on here who can shed some light?
it has been discussed many times before. and F&B got it right. It was the background of the people from Pakistan who immigrated, education was simply not a priority, niether was integration. while the racism from the blue collar brits played a role in these folks not being very keen on integration.
The kids grew up in households where education was not a priority, in blue collar communities strife with racism, and with no real direction.
There was some study a while back in Uk which looked at Pakistanis and how the parents education level meant the children would be successful. I will try to dig it up. the stats were astonishing..I mean it was a massive difference.
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the reason why uk pakistanis are not as successful as indians is cos the indians are scaterred all over, not congregated in any one area. the indian kids dont have the same kinds of friendship as pakishatanis do, even indian parents live a more isolated life!
im sure that also explains the reason why both pakistanis and indians are successful in US.
yet its also true that educated households produce educated kids, both these two theories dont have to conflict. its just that i know the less educated parents theory is not true for why the pakistanis are not doing as well in the uk generally. ironically the worst performers in UK schools are those from a working class white background.
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i am a british pakistani and educated to a degree standard my two penny worth would be down to many factors, parental upbringing, area, culture, language, also individual choice.
The indians are far more common than the pakistanis, so therefore there would be more indians being in education, holding degrees, than pakistani.
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Most of the Pakistanis who came to UK where labourers, manufacturing industry is dying, dead. Most dont have transferable skills and as such high unemployability. Indians on the other hand where mainly doctors, engineers or other professionals. Didnt suffer the same set of problems.
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Most of the Pakistanis who came to UK where labourers, manufacturing industry is dying, dead. Most dont have transferable skills and as such high unemployability. Indians on the other hand where mainly doctors, engineers or other professionals. Didnt suffer the same set of problems.
lol, are you joking?
the mr mistry's and patels did the same jobs initially
now that indians hindus are educated, what this means to them is that they work and live a life of boredom. they are more spread out in their numbers then pakistanis. the education is almost a sentence of a reserved marginilised lifestyle in some cul-de-sac
pakistanis are well integrated into the uk setup, dont look to much into reports such as these. the purpose of these is to identify areas where more improvements are needed.
i'd say the working class whites, pakistanis, bangladeshis and black communities of britain are all underperforming
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i am a british pakistani and educated to a degree standard my two penny worth would be down to many factors, parental upbringing, area, culture, language, also individual choice.
The indians are far more common than the pakistanis, so therefore there would be more indians being in education, holding degrees, than pakistani.
Yeah more Indians would be holding degres because they are more in number, that is Obvious.. what the study (and other similar reports) shows is the PERCENTAGE of indians being educated and employed is more than what the percentage is for pakistanis and bangladeshis..
Anyway, some of the other posts have done a decent job explaining different circumstances for Pakistanis in UK compared to the ones in North America. I don't quite agree with the point that Indian families are isolated, desis are desis! they are never isolated lol
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I don't quite agree with the point that Indian families are isolated, desis are desis! they are never isolated lol
well they dont hang out like the pakistani guys do. nearly all my hindu and sikh friends were always abit reserved. even as students they all go to same parties but then the hindus arnt seen again unless youve got a movie to watch at a cinema! they have in a way rejected their desi side as much as they can.
in areas where sikhs are the majority they have similar attitudes to pakishatanis.
hindus have moved into white suburbs where they play the token indian famillies routine - groundhog day
Pakistanis who went to England came from villages. And thus their backward mentality has rubbed off on their kids.
They stay on welfare, don't educate their kids.
Their kids turn to crime, and thus it effects the next generation, and the next.....
capital BS
the immigrants into the uk were noble men of huge stature. a sacrifice to enable their whole wider familly to live a better life.
the generations growing up now are brits of pakistani descent. take your hate mongering somewhere else
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^^ chill son.. you taking it the wrong way...
my main boy is paki and he got cousins in the uk and the story is same.... lack of education.. no motivation towards pursuing a proper career.. being a 'gangsta' 24/7 dont get you anywhere.. most of them either follow the 'imma a thug dont ride me' nonsense .. some of them turn extremist jihadi boys too.. we got a lot of gangsta desis ova here in canada too but that dont stop us from getting a proper education and going places.. the difference in attitude is definitely rubbed off from the parents.. more racism in the UK can also be a factor..
as far as hindus and sikhs go, my dad's family is hindu and half his family is in the UK... some of them are sikh too.. they're all hardcore desis.. and equally hardcore british.. tonnes of hindu sikh families live in punjabi areas.. im sure there are some of em livin as token indian families but there r many others living like normal crazy ass glued together desis...