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I totally agree with you :k:
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Many people here who oppose re-unification seem to talk and think only about the past when no doubt they may had bitter experiences. But think about prosperity in future and you will see why re-unification is a great idea.
In my earlier post (my first one!) I listed several major major advantages that accrue to all parties involved.
Can you list your reasons for opposing, not from past experience but by future considerations?
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ok so you are saying that provinces/ states should only be based on language? may be true, but what it has to do with undivided india? why not a step further and release those states from bigotry and declare them as independent countries?
and, in your books language comes before religion? right, good for you. this is not the case for us muslims, religion comes first, language is only a means of communication. see this difference? this is good enough of a reason to have india divided.
you are a young Muslim country wanting to prove to yourself as a Muslim again and again( to whom?), so what about your country is your country important or your religion,
when you speak about Muslims speak for your self, please do not generalize Muslims from other countries as well, for India putting the basic identity first has worked successfully, language is not the key- space for everyone is the key, today in India we are evolving a common language(english), commonality has to be evolutionary even though India has majority of Hindus with each language there is a difference in culture(that culture is intact irrespective of any religion), unfortunately for Pakistan forceful insertion of religious identity over south Asian cultural identity has made things very bad for over six decades.
who(which entity) is going to release the states in India, we are all in this together, with every new generation the differences are marginalized, for my next generation the religion will become irrelevant, for my generation the cast system and language has become irrelevant, i think education, modernity and national identity for every way is the key.
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India is an artifical state, the brits left in a hurry and why would they care to take care of the problem. The division was natural and was just a matter of time.
then America is the most artificial state because from the day one America is a country made of immigrants, America is here today because people of America want to be together, same way in India the forces of separatism is minuscule against the forces of union across language, religion, cast, culture..........., with every generation the separatist are a extinct bread.
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then America is the most artificial state because from the day one America is a country made of immigrants, America is here today because people of America want to be together, same way in India the forces of separatism is minuscule against the forces of union across language, religion, cast, culture..........., with every generation the separatist are a extinct bread.
Comparing America with India is like comparing apples with oranges, two opposite ends of the spectrum, May be if India is a democracy like America or Canada it can ask who wants to stay with India and who dosen't and that would be starting point and an end to all the civil wars.
Maoist have grown from a small village in 60s to almost half of India with running their own govt. and you saying they are extinct breed...LOL.....
Here is what Manmohan Singh said about Maoist
21 Sep 2009 ... Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says the insurgency is the single biggest threat to India's security.
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Can anyone tell us what the downside they foresee of reunification? Pls look at at it from a furture view, not from just the past.
BTW there is no such thing as natural and artificial country - there are no natural boundaries between 99% of current definition of nations. Whichever way they evolved, what matters is present and future - past is irreleavant in this respect.
That is why I am pushing my question again - in the future re-united India+Pakistan+BD+Nepal etc ....can you see how the benefits for all of us dominate overwhelmingly any negatives?
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Your argument is a stron one, but by your logic then why can't all nations just scrap thier differences and be together in one global community, the perfect Eutopia.
But heres the hard truth, the differences in India and Pakistan are much like those of France and Germany, Russia and Poland, Greece and Turkey etc.... you cant just fix it and even if you could sure the benefits would be there but so would the negatives.
Fact is we should all respect the differences in us, I'm not so concerned with political borders as much as I am by human borders. People sure can live together and many of us do. Yet we are all unique as well.
Just like you cant uniform the whole world you cannot join this brake. Sure work to make the gap narrower and build bridges but forget hopes of re-unification we all know how painfull it was when the split happened, to join it is even more painfull.
I can see benefits in uniting India and Pakistan but i believe they can also do well apart. When you fall in love you will realise that your other half cannot become you and you cannot become the other half, yet you will both work together as one unit.
All the best to you Nizam Bhai your thoughts are very postive and I pray that your wishes come true. However try and understand the differences rather than brush them aside.
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Comparing America with India is like comparing apples with oranges, two opposite ends of the spectrum, May be if India is a democracy like America or Canada it can ask who wants to stay with India and who dosen't and that would be starting point and an end to all the civil wars.
Maoist have grown from a small village in 60s to almost half of India with running their own govt. and you saying they are extinct breed...LOL.....
Here is what Manmohan Singh said about Maoist
21 Sep 2009 ... Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says the insurgency is the single biggest threat to India's security.
this is why i would like to say you fellows do not know anything about India, maoist where in all Indian states 20/30 years ago, today they are in 6 to 7 undeveloped states, then there where decoits, polan devies, smuggler,,,,you name it we had it, then we had countless communal violence, social disturbances throughout the first four decades in India, today it is barely 10% Of what it was 20/30 years ago, the path that we came through is real difficult one, today if we are at the brink of development it is not of some magic its is because we have endured through some grave difficulties as a country,
you fellows seem to be living in with some drafted ideas about India and indians,
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this is why i would like to say you fellows do not know anything about India, maoist where in all Indian states 20/30 years ago, today they are in 6 to 7 undeveloped states, then there where decoits, polan devies, smuggler,,,,you name it we had it, then we had countless communal violence, social disturbances throughout the first four decades in India, today it is barely 10% Of what it was 20/30 years ago, the path that we came through is real difficult one, today if we are at the brink of development it is not of some magic its is because we have endured through some grave difficulties as a country,
you fellows seem to be living in with some drafted ideas about India and indians,
Completely contradicts all the news reports including what Manmohan said... But you can live in denial nothing wrong with that its soo Indian any way.
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This is an interesting discussion about partition. I want to talk about events that led to partition.
I would argue that the British Raj was a good thing for the muslims in sub-continent because by the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar in 1850s, the Mughals were at their weakest and their decline had become inevitable.
If the british had not taken control of the sub-continent, then the Hindu Marathas in western india and sikhs in punjab would have become dominant force all over sub-continent and Muslims would have been forced to live under their Hindu Raj. I think that would have been even more disastrous for the muslims than the white man's British raj?
The British raj filled that power vacuum at a crucial time in history, and allowed the muslims some breathing space. So that first under Sir Syed Ahmad khan's leadership in the late 1800s and later the Quaid-e-Azam's muslim league fought to ensure that muslims have Pakistan and the hindu baniyas don't rule over the entire sub-continent
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This is an interesting discussion about partition. I want to talk about events that led to partition.
I would argue that the British Raj was a good thing for the muslims in sub-continent because by the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar in 1850s, the Mughals were at their weakest and their decline had become inevitable. If the british had not taken control of the sub-continent, then the Hindu Marathas in western india and sikhs in punjab would have become dominant force all over sub-continent and Muslims would have been forced to live under their Hindu Raj. I think that would have been even more disastrous for the muslims than the white man's British raj?
The British raj filled that power vacuum at a crucial time in history, and allowed the muslims some breathing space. So that first under Sir Syed Ahmad khan's leadership in the late 1800s and later the Quaid-e-Azam's muslim league fought to ensure that muslims have Pakistan and the hindu baniyas don't rule over the entire sub-continent
this is just like a scene of few little dogs pillas barking chasing and threatening lion to cut him in pieces . some people here look to be so deeply hurt that they are unable to forget past humiliations of 1971,65,98 , so cursing and hurling extreme type of baddua like a powerless and humiliated bewa rand ka rona . india will stay united ,khuda buri najar walo ka muh kala karega. we are proud citizen of indian republic.
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Hi yall,
undivided India is not possible since it has already been divided. If you're talking about re-unification, it is a good idea because we can together become a very strong world power. For India, this will release a lot of resources now being spent on guarding the border, defending Kashmir etc. For Bangladesh, this will bring them out of a flood-prone 4th world situation into a more successful country. For Pakistan, same as India, they can release all the resources now spent on defense as well. Afghanistan will regain her glory as well as part of Greater india and can successfully resist Arabic extremism (for example OBL)
More importantly:
1) Western countries will no longer be able to divide and rule the sub-continent for any reason 2) Minorities will be strengthened thus making democracy stronger 3) Terrorism will have no hope of sanctuary - even if the Arabs want to house them here anymore
Even on simple matters such as textile export, cricket, hockey etc we can field a world #1 posture. Just imagine Tendular, Sehwag, Inzimam & Akhtar in one team! Can the Aussie loudmouths stand a chance?
It is a win win win win proposition. It is very difficult to achieve given the current state of affairs but we can always hope and pray!
I have been on this forum for quite a time now but I have to admit this is the first time I have found a comment worth appriciating
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south asian union would be better rather than "reunited india"
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This thread is still going …
Nisha: I think SAARC serves as the purpose for that(i.e. union) and nothing much has developed in terms concrete steps to bring peace and unity in the region. All of the countries are to blame.
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SAARC is a dead organization! anyways times have moved on, its already 60 years since independence and I dont think any sane person on both sides would want a unification now...thats utterly out of question, there are a lot of misgivings and suspicions in the minds of both countries to even have a normal relationship...
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What are your views on India being split up into more portions that lead to India, Pakistan, Burma and Bangladesh... do you think India would have been better if we didnt divide?
How can anyone who has seen what India is today, with its long history of injustice, ever consider wanting to join it?
Just look at the Indian character. Why would anyone want to consider themselves Indian? Should we also consider becoming Nazis?
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@Med911; what is wrong with India's character? Don't generalize on all of India because you had some bad experience with someone!
All - please look up in youtube, a series of videos by Robert kaplan on India which abundantly answers such questions over which I have found many many Pakistanis harboring completely erroneous impressions
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LMAO! Typical Indian propaganda. Please prove more Muslims live in India? Hell considering current population demographics more Muslims live in Bangladesh than India.
i am not talking about bangladesh, i said india has bigger muslim population than pakistan ,
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thanq! Since posting this I have asked twice for anybody who objects to re-unification to counter these advantages of unification with what downside if any they see. NOT ONE has come out - all objections cite only past problems! I wish they would see all those problems actually get solved by unification! welll, what more can I say!
Originally Posted by nizam hyderabadi http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png Hi yall,
undivided India is not possible since it has already been divided. If you’re talking about re-unification, it is a good idea because we can together become a very strong world power. For India, this will release a lot of resources now being spent on guarding the border, defending Kashmir etc. For Bangladesh, this will bring them out of a flood-prone 4th world situation into a more successful country. For Pakistan, same as India, they can release all the resources now spent on defense as well. Afghanistan will regain her glory as well as part of Greater india and can successfully resist Arabic extremism (for example OBL)
More importantly:
- Western countries will no longer be able to divide and rule the sub-continent for any reason
- Minorities will be strengthened thus making democracy stronger
- Terrorism will have no hope of sanctuary - even if the Arabs want to house them here anymore
Even on simple matters such as textile export, cricket, hockey etc we can field a world #1 posture. Just imagine Tendular, Sehwag, Inzimam & Akhtar in one team! Can the Aussie loudmouths stand a chance?
It is a win win win win proposition. It is very difficult to achieve given the current state of affairs but we can always hope and pray!
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^That is just wishful thinking. It was divided over sixty year ago. Lets move on from there and focus on how each country can progress in their OWN border.
"hope and pray" -really? What about the Kashmir problem? It's been over sixty years and no hope and praying has resolved anything. Both countries are not able to handle one territory and your talking about the WHOLE sub-continent!!