Understanding MJMM

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Apologies in advance for creating this thread in relationship section but just want to make sure we get serious input WITHOUT personal attacks. I'm sure its a small and doable task.

Aurat march is over. But the echo of that and before that, the wild skirmish between two extremes of the society on a live TV channel is still there so why not understand where its all coming from.

Admitting, I myself had a blind eye on the subject but tumbled upon a clip of some woman celebrity on a talk show where she explained that "Mera Jism meri marzi" has a simply the meaning of not using a woman's body without her will. Now who in the world can deny that?

Yes, no touching women without their will. Not even when they are in relationships. Their bodies arent the property of their husbands, boyfriends or whoever.

And absolutely no going near forced sex i.e. rape or if in marriages, marital rape no matter what.

And if someone says its in Pakistan or third world country, hell no. Just want to remind the current sitting President in washington was elected after his famous vid of claiming to "grab women by their ..... "

Is there anything else to it? Lets discuss.

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It should be more like, " my life, my choice". It's not just for women either. It applies to everyone who is past puberty. At the end of the day, all of us are accountable for the choices we make. If Allah didn't want us to have a choice, we'd be like the angels, doing what we are ordered to do. But we have been given a guide to follow and told of the pros and cons of following or not following it.

Why limit choice to 'jism' ? It applies to your life. (As long as it's not interfering in another person's life)

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Valid point. But I think this is more to highlight unwanted Gazing, touching and/or any sexual move

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We need to ask why most of these women join the march. Their protest is (partly) motivated by injustice against women's actual bodies, not even dead women's bodies are safe against zulm.

Yes, ideally we would live in a world where the average woman has the freedom to make the choices which affect her live herself, without society telling her what to do, which thrives on oppresion and hypocrisy.
However, with issues such as physical abuse, honour killings, groping and other unwanted attention, (marital) rape, the slogan "Meri Zindagi, Meri Marzi" doesn't represent them not in the same way "Mera Jism, Meri Marzi" does. Now some will say why don't women use slogans for each specific issue separately. Mehh. We're focussing on the wrong thing here. Again, at the end of the day, it's just a word.

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This fight over word games is obscuring something important. Anyone with 3 brain cells, whether they are progressive or not, can see that this slogan is protesting against the BS ideology where women are treated like property and dehumanized on a large scale. It practically gives reactionaries an ulcer to acknowledge that they are panini-pressed about this izaat culture being challenged. Watching progressives trying to placate these people is exhausting---these people simply do not care. They will virtue signal all day about how they "care about real issues that affect women!!!!" And it's like.....do these people not think impoverished women aren't hurt by society pushing the idea that their jism doesn't belong to them? What do you think the root causes of honor killings are? Of street harassment? Of rape? Of a lot of atrocities being commit against Pakistani women? It is very clear as day what this slogan stands for. No song and dance of "w-we're not all a bunch of sooper liberal women!!" is going to change any minds of the people who were against it at the very beginning and were searching for some kind of scapegoat (anti-state! anti-religion! crazy feminist! blahblahblahblah!!!)

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^ haha oops :blush:

it’s like trying to solve conflicts in a healthy way with your narcissistic partner, trying to find a solution which will suit the both of you to regain peace, while the narc partner wants to stay in control and continue to abuse you. Until you give up and leave the relationship.
But still, one can hope that others, for example thosr who visit this forum but aren’t so hardcore yet, might see the light and fix their toxic mentalities wishful thinking

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Truth to be told..in my humble opinion..Women are treated very badly and negatively in our society and culture. Forget MJMM for a while. Think of our mothers or sisters for example..who have been treated very badly by their in-laws. All that stories that you hear when you grow up about your own women of the family being treated bad. Or those women who may have crossed our path and ask ourselves if we were fair to them. If the answer is no or we would like to do something about it then just work on our mindsets. And not to repeat those negative behaviours. If you bring someone’s daughter or sister..please treat her with utmost respect. Yes..there will be some women-folks who will not be “perfect” just as we are so…this is where the conversation needs to takes place without having to have negative cultural norms or have negative mindsets..

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MJMM is wrong. Unacceptable slogan as it is. I mean as it is.

This idea is wrong.

It CAN create a lot of problems as I said in other related thread.

It CAN be misused. By anyone.

Please see it as objectively as you can.

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The idea that you cant touch a woman’s body without her consent? :hmmm: Interesting!

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You made the interpretation of this idea and then asked the question.

Not fair.:slight_smile:

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@LP you said it ALL!

But I would like to add to your thought here a Qoute from from a Great Poet of Kasur! Punjab

**Jainh Dil vich Pyar de Rumz Nahin…(the heart that is devoid of Love)

Bas Oonh Dil koun Veraan Sammujh …( That Heart is Totally Doomed in Wilderness)**:disgust:

Baba Bulle Shah

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Wait, how did I interpret? I quoted a feminist celebrity so she explained the idea.They are the ones coming up with these. It just didnt pop up in my mind lol

So I think what we need to do is to take the idea to its face value rather than saying O no you actually mean that and not this. Because then we’ll be pushing a conspiracy theory there. And I know if you take the basic idea as is, you wont disagree either

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I guess people objecting to it are interpreting it in a different way. They see it as an assertion of right to sexual promiscuity.

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Yes. As ambiguous and open to interpretation this slogan is, it is always a possibility. Please read below.

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OK.

Bhai Sahab!

There is no conspiracy theory. All of opposition is against the ambiguity of the slogan. Onus is upon those who insist that this slogan be used only their way of interpretation.
That does not work in reality.

I do not think one interpretation of this slogan you mentioned is the only interpretation one can deduce from this slogan.

You brought one interpretation with only one possible answer, and that was unfair.

1- Not only lots of men, even women do not agree with this slogan.

2-This slogan was started as far I understand in some parts of the world to support right to abort an unborn child.

Should we agree with that interpretation?

There is no such thing as right to abort unilaterally by a woman in ALL circumstances.

'If ’ you need more detailed explanation, then please ask me. I am not writing the explanation because I want to make it short enough and sweet enough.

3- Please do let me know how and why would you support that same slogan if it were to be brought by men? Obviously not in the same or similar context as these so called liberal women brought.

But in my opinion and understanding, even if this slogan was brought by men, it would not have been a good slogan. And I would have criticized it as well.

4- Misuse and abuse of this is a real possibility. I said a few times earlier.

Not acknowledging this is not being thoughtful.

For now I think it’s enough.

Will be glad to explain anything you bring forward to support this wrongful slogan on ‘many’ aspects and angles.

Please do write your perspective point by point so we can have meaningful discussion. :slight_smile:

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Wat about those women who don’t think in-laws like your own parents’. So mindsets needs to change from both ends. Not only the Parents’.

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Yeah, it is simple misinterpretation…

AuratMarch talks about rights of women, nad opposite camp interpret it differently. Aurta March uses punch line … and opposite camp comes with literal meaning.

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Disagree.

Aurat March did not talk about rights of women.

These women followed a hateful woman who is against the basis of Pakistan. Never supported Kashmir cause.
Talks like an Indian.
Basically a Traitor.

Aurat March was “Mard Nafrat” March. Nothing more than that.

These women should NOT follow the slogan which is from very beginning was wrong. Read above.

They unfortunately thought they could fool a minority of women to create issue.

Thankfully men and women from many backgrounds rejected this slogan and further expansion of it’s basic premises.

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Oh no man lol, Your understanding in the bold is way off. Not sure how you deduced it but its certainly your own assumption.

To me things are really simple. Someone somewhere raised a slogan. Before jumping the gun we ask them what does it mean. They explained exactly what I mentioned in the initial post. I believe that. And yes I agree with their explaination as well.

What they are saying is that its their body and if someone forces themselves, women have a right to say no, dont touch my body , dont rape my body and so on. By saying this are these women harming anyone else? I dont think so.

So yes keeping that in perspective, if any man says the same thing for their own protection and not harming others, who wouldnt agree with that?

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Here are the names of all Bollywood movies from 1920 to 2020. Every movie in there with the word “Jism” in its title has a story line centered around a promiscuous woman. There are some serious promiscuous connotations of the word in the subcontinent.