Unacceptable behavior? Would you allow it?

[pkgrl000]

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jeez just buy a psp2 or wii or whatever other stuff is out these days to keep the boys busy...this will prevent any and all dancing from happening at future gatherings and keep the boys glued to the tv so no girls can even try to grab their attention :)

better yet, provide them a basketball and kick them outta the house (backyard or wherever a bball hoop may be found) until dinner is served. that usually helps keep things halal inside and outside the house.

[sa-Nafooz]

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honor killing is so sick, it's NOT acceptable in Islam...it just shows tht such people regard women as second class human beings..totally against the teachings of Islam.

as for the OP's question, no i wouldnt allow my cousins or anyone else relaetd to me in anyway(friend etc) to do such a shameful act, do my duty as a muslim and sister.....however if they still continue doing it, i would keep quiet as it's upto them, and leave the place.

[GuardianAngel]

you two are sick.

^agree.

[MixedBeauty]

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What is the difference between girls dancing in their PJS and girls dancing/screaming their heads off when their in a wedding? Which btw im sure they make a effort in their wedding clothes.

I dont get this thread. Dont worry darling one day you'll be 18 turning 19 soon... we'll look forward to another thread then.

[PyariCgudia]

There is a lot wrong with it. You are not supposed to speak, let alone look at a na-mehram unless it is a necessity, such as financial transactions, legal matters, ect. You can however greet eachother, but the greeting cannot contain any action, body language, or sense of desire. Islamically you are not premitted to interact with your husband's brother or your wife's sister? These restrictions have been placed for a reason.

You can say that these girls are deprieved of male interaction, but if they are sitting around freak dancing, I can say they know what's going on in the world, and they know what's up. Whose to say that they wouldn't go further than talking if they were able to sit down and speak with them without supervision.

The whole dancing to music situation is another story. Once again music and dancing is not permitted especially if it contains sexual references.

I completely understand your point of view, but these things usually lead to trouble thats why they are forbidden.

Woaaaaahhhh, nowhere in Islam does it say you cannot interact with the opposite sex. Do you know how many na-mehram women Muhammed (SAW) used to speak to? You're totally allowed to speak to na-mehrams. It's just that you can't have sex with them outside of marriage, and you can't be physical with them, and they cannot see you in an indecent fashion. But there's nothing in Islam that says you CAN'T CONVERSE with someone of the opposite sex.

Ridiculous ideas, people. Really ridiculous. Please separate the lessons your village mullah taught you from real Islam.

[korn666]

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the mullahcation has to end!!!!

or we will have terrible child education for our future races!!!!!

[mclovin123]

You have no idea...

if i saw a boy deliberatley walking amng everyone in such a manner i'd kill him too just the same. I have never allowed male fammily members to practice such behavior either.

My Sisters would never do such a thing becuase i am still alive as are my broters.

You have to understand decency is something all must abide by as well as modesty if my own brother was behaving inapropriately i would not hesitate to warn him not to do so... and if need be i would kill my own brother too. He would be no brother of mine if he stooped to such a level.

That is sick!

The only place killing is allowed is in defence. That is ALL!

If the world starts following your point of view then god help us.

Do you know how much hatred killing breeds? How can you even justify it?

Disgusting

[mclovin123]

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I really can't believe that some people here in this very forum believe in honor killing.

ughhhh

It sickens me.

My opinion: killing is NOT ALLOWED under any circumstance (be it betrayal, honor, robbery...) except in DEFENSE.

[Faris_Udeen]

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^ There is nothing sick there at all.

I understand it's hard for most to comprehend for most people... especially those who live in modern comfort.

But when the whole nations honor is at stake nothing can come between it... besides i said if inapropriate behavior was not halted after being warned then what is more simpler solution than to get rid of the problem completely.

I still stand by what i said earlier.

I am not against dancing but inapropriate behaviour is unnaceptable and if it continues then death of a few to teach the rest a lesson is perfectly acceptable.

With regards to religion i am not an Alim and if anyone can justify a different point to this then i am perfectly obliged to listen and will do so... i am not fond of Mullahs myself.

However i am fond of centuries of tradition and anything that comes between that will be seen as hostile by the likes of me... our culture is not something one can ridicule... if someone makes a mistake i will understand and i will accept mistakes are made and will move on.. however deliberate erosion of our ways is also intolerable and slowly the modern world is strangling ours and if deliberate acts to humiliate us are done then what other alternative does such a person have but to lash out.

Life is hard, and my people are among the hardiest... do not judge one by his views rather understand why he holds those views i am not narrow minded i am fully understanding and i am no enemy of love, but then again i will stop at nothing to remove anything which harms my beliefs.

[mclovin123]

^ There is nothing sick there at all.

I understand it's hard for most to comprehend for most people... especially those who live in modern comfort.

But when the whole nations honor is at stake nothing can come between it... besides i said if inapropriate behavior was not halted after being warned then what is more simpler solution than to get rid of the problem completely.

I still stand by what i said earlier.

I am not against dancing but inapropriate behaviour is unnaceptable and if it continues then death of a few to teach the rest a lesson is perfectly acceptable.

With regards to religion i am not an Alim and if anyone can justify a different point to this then i am perfectly obliged to listen and will do so... i am not fond of Mullahs myself.

However i am fond of centuries of tradition and anything that comes between that will be seen as hostile by the likes of me... our culture is not something one can ridicule... if someone makes a mistake i will understand and i will accept mistakes are made and will move on.. however deliberate erosion of our ways is also intolerable and slowly the modern world is strangling ours and if deliberate acts to humiliate us are done then what other alternative does such a person have but to lash out.

Life is hard, and my people are among the hardiest... do not judge one by his views rather understand why he holds those views i am not narrow minded i am fully understanding **and i am no enemy of love, but then again i will stop at nothing to remove anything which **harms my beliefs.

How are you not narrow minded if you will remove anything which harms your beliefs?

Do you know how much hatred death breeds? It does not teach a lesson, it only spreads hatred and fear.

There is something called forgiveness in this world. It's extremely difficult especially if you think you are a hundred percent right, however forgiveness is what gives you the upper hand and makes you the better man.

[Faris_Udeen]

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Without knowing me your assuming i am narrow minded and don't know how to forgive let me tell you a little bit from experience.

I think few men would have been as forgivng as me when i was at the hieght of my powers... but you know what i got for desisting and holding my sword arm back?

I only got a stronger enemy for next time... no life does not work that way anymore... there used to be a time when honor and chivalry and courtesy meant something and a defeated enemy would never dare to look up again if they had any idea how mercifully they were treated they would know respect.

But these times are hard. I know fully how much hatred death breeds better than many i have lived through the darkest and foulest of times but for all the good i ever did i got nothing but hatred uin return...

Put yourself in my shoes and tell me then what would you do? Live and let live or run to somewhere else and avoid the enemy? Or perhaps try and talk?

Well i tell you i tried all those options, my offers of peace were seen as a weakness and opurtunity for them... When i left to go elsehwere they came after me... and for every time i let them walk away they only returned with more strength.

This is not just my story it is the same for every one of my ancestors... Even our faiths greatest suffered the same...

But enough is enough i am not a saint, i accept that perhaps what i am considering as a methodology may be utterly wrong but faced with no alternative one has to do the ultimate to survive...

And yes these things might seem frugal... a few dances here and there a few drinks here and there a few more inroads for our ways to be eroded...

This is precisely how we lost before and i will not let that happen again...

Perhaps when i am long gone and the dust has settled over my grave people will come to understand i was the among the last of an ancient breed who tried everyhting andf perhaps ultimately failed but the effort was perhaps just worthy of it.

Death is an evil thing...

But to kill one and save many more is also a heavenly thing.

This is something so difficuilt to comprehend i pray no one ever need face such a choice.

[mclovin123]

Without knowing me your assuming i am narrow minded and don't know how to forgive let me tell you a little bit from experience.

I think few men would have been as forgivng as me when i was at the hieght of my powers... but you know what i got for desisting and holding my sword arm back?

I only got a stronger enemy for next time... no life does not work that way anymore... there used to be a time when honor and chivalry and courtesy meant something and a defeated enemy would never dare to look up again if they had any idea how mercifully they were treated they would know respect.

But these times are hard. I know fully how much hatred death breeds better than many i have lived through the darkest and foulest of times but for all the good i ever did i got nothing but hatred uin return...

Put yourself in my shoes and tell me then what would you do? Live and let live or run to somewhere else and avoid the enemy? Or perhaps try and talk?

Well i tell you i tried all those options, my offers of peace were seen as a weakness and opurtunity for them... When i left to go elsehwere they came after me... and for every time i let them walk away they only returned with more strength.

This is not just my story it is the same for every one of my ancestors... Even our faiths greatest suffered the same...

But enough is enough i am not a saint, i accept that perhaps what i am considering as a methodology may be utterly wrong but faced with no alternative one has to do the ultimate to survive...

And yes these things might seem frugal... a few dances here and there a few drinks here and there a few more inroads for our ways to be eroded...

This is precisely how we lost before and i will not let that happen again...

Perhaps when i am long gone and the dust has settled over my grave people will come to understand i was the among the last of an ancient breed who tried everyhting andf perhaps ultimately failed but the effort was perhaps just worthy of it.

Death is an evil thing...

But to kill one and save many more is also a heavenly thing.

This is something so difficuilt to comprehend i pray no one ever need face such a choice.

I agree this is extremely difficult to comprehend and I also hope no one ever faces such a choice.

I don't know what you have experienced nor do I know your perspective towards life. But I do know this, if one looks at everything in terms of enemies, war, power, winning, and losing, then there will be a lot of negativity.

And If one has a negative perspective in life then one will always get hatred in return regardless of how much good one does.

Death now will only lead to retaliation in the future. If you take someones life today, then his future generations will take your life and your loved ones' lives away. Its a cycle.

And someone has to break this cycle. through forgiveness.

[korn666]

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we can't we who are writing here be the ones to preach such decisions unacceptable and un-human??????????

[Deeba1234]

^ There is nothing sick there at all.

I understand it's hard for most to comprehend for most people... especially those who live in modern comfort.

But when the whole nations honor is at stake nothing can come between it... besides i said if inapropriate behavior was not halted after being warned then what is more simpler solution than to get rid of the problem completely.

I still stand by what i said earlier.

I am not against dancing but inapropriate behaviour is unnaceptable and if it continues then death of a few to teach the rest a lesson is perfectly acceptable.

With regards to religion i am not an Alim and if anyone can justify a different point to this then i am perfectly obliged to listen and will do so... i am not fond of Mullahs myself.

However i am fond of centuries of tradition and anything that comes between that will be seen as hostile by the likes of me... our culture is not something one can ridicule... if someone makes a mistake i will understand and i will accept mistakes are made and will move on.. however deliberate erosion of our ways is also intolerable and slowly the modern world is strangling ours and if deliberate acts to humiliate us are done then *what other alternative does such a person have but to lash out. * Life is hard, and my people are among the hardiest... do not judge one by his views rather understand why he holds those views i am not narrow minded i am fully understanding and i am no enemy of love, but then again i will stop at nothing to remove anything which harms my beliefs.

Disgusting.

And regarding the last bit in black bold do you not have the common sense and decency to reason with people? We aren't savages (and imo some of these so-called 'traditions' such as forced marriages need to wiped out anyway asap).

[Mamaof3]

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Faris, you ask what other alternative you have? You were given a brain, you were given freedom of choice by Allah/God. You are expected to use these.

Animals kill and maim. They have no other options. People have the ability and the choice to live like animals or to get along in a global community. Following your reasoning, you choose to "lash out" and kill off anyone who does not comply with your limited and small set of laws to live by. History has some of these ...Hitler for one.

The world is a very small place, dude. You have to learn how to get along with those who are different from you.

[Jaanwar]

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Bloody hell Faris you need a shrink mate.

[GuardianAngel]

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Faris.
You are one of the many reasons why Islam is shown to be evil in the media.
How in the hell could be approve of honor killings?

Let's say: if my sister was promiscuous and had unlawful relations with other men, we wouldn't kill her but take her to court if she did anything wrong. Why would we do that? because thats what HUMAN beings do, not like animals like you who are bloodthirsty for death for the humans who make these common errors in their lives.

[BarbieCue]

umm yeah guys.. let it go...

[GuardianAngel]

Woaaaaahhhh, nowhere in Islam does it say you cannot interact with the opposite sex. Do you know how many na-mehram women Muhammed (SAW) used to speak to? You're totally allowed to speak to na-mehrams. It's just that you can't have sex with them outside of marriage, and you can't be physical with them, and they cannot see you in an indecent fashion. But there's nothing in Islam that says you CAN'T CONVERSE with someone of the opposite sex.

Ridiculous ideas, people. Really ridiculous. Please separate the lessons your village mullah taught you from real Islam.

^agreed wholeheartedly (;

[Faris_Udeen]

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Let's say: if my sister was promiscuous and had unlawful relations with other men, we wouldn't kill her but take her to court if she did anything wrong. Why would we do that? because thats what HUMAN beings do, not like animals like you who are bloodthirsty for death for the humans who make these common errors in their lives
[/QUOTE]

^ They may be common errors for you....

But i am not one to comrpomise anything...

I will listen to reason and that is more than you will get from many people it's easy to label me as evil and sick and bloody minded but what i say is simple.

I know life can't be treated as black and white, and there is no room to distinguish good and evil... right or wrong #

But the fact is i will not tolerate "unacceptable behavior" The name itself says it all.

If is is unacceptable then why compromise.

And the media can say and think what it likes.... Islam isn't evil even if the whole world thought so... and if Muslims lashed out no-body could blame them becuase everyone asked for it.

Besides I like to keep things very simple becuase i have had to make such choices.... perhaps too early in life... but compromise my own ways to others for nothing... no i will not back down.