UN Condemns the Dutch Film

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday condemned as “offensively anti-Islamic” a Dutch lawmaker’s film that accuses the Koran of inciting violence.
Ban acknowledged efforts by the government of the Netherlands to stop the broadcast of the film, which was launched by Islam critic Geert Wilders over the Internet, and appealed for calm to those “understandably offended by it.”
“There is no justification for hate speech or incitement to violence,” Ban said in a statement. “The right of free expression is not at stake here.”
The short film, titled “Fitna,” an Arabic term sometimes translated as “strife,” intersperses images of the September 11 attacks on the United States and Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran.
The film urges Muslims to tear out “hate-filled” verses from the Koran and starts and finishes with a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad with a bomb under his turban, accompanied by the sound of ticking.
Several Muslim countries, including Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia, have also condemned the film.
“Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility,” Ban said.
“We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in stirring hostility and conflict,” Ban said.
(Reporting by Lewis Krauskopf; editing by Mohammad Zargham)

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The European Union said the film inflames hatred, and Iran’s Foreign Ministry called the movie “anti-Islamic and insulting.”
The foreign ministry called on the EU, the Netherlands, and Britain to take action to put an end to its showing, the official IRNA news agency reported.
The Danish Union of Journalists said it was suing Wilders for using a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed drawn by one of its members, newspaper political cartoonist Kurt Westergaard. It said Wilders used the picture – which shows Mohammed with a turban shaped like a bomb – without permission.
The film, titled “Fitna,” opens with Westergaard’s controversial caricature, followed by translated portions of Islam’s holy book, the Quran.
The passages are interspersed with graphic images of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against the United States juxtaposed with audio from 9-1-1 calls made by the victims trapped inside the World Trade Center in New York and other video clips.

The world leaders at-large feel the Film was a tool to spread hate and such demonization of any faith cannot be tolerated.

Thank You! UN and EU :slight_smile:

PS: If Islam was such a voilent religion, then the Spanish peninsula as well as arab lands would be purely Islamic, but the hard truth is Islam was never spread by the sword. There remained non-muslims who were free to practice their faith.
The point is that there are people who get carried away and commit inhumane acts, but to pin their actions on the Faith as a whole is a shameful act and a disservice to the religion of Islam. A religion that respects, accepts, and recognizes all Prophets.

Let us learn to be tolerant and live with each other and think before we speak.

On a closing note, i think Informative films are good. They should be made to shed light on important issues. Criticism can be very healthy, but only when it addresses the issues at hand. Quran is neither the issue, nor the doctorine of Hatred or violence. If Wilder wants to make a film to make the bad apples look really really bad, then he should/should have talked to Muslim scholars who have spent most of their lives studying and interpreting Quran, and with their help he could guide the misguided souls and show that it is those groups of people who make the religion look bad. That would serve the purpose. Most, i believe all muslims would support that. But for a non-muslim, and a politician (we know how credible politician are!), to criticize a sacred text, is just pathetic and shows intolerance on the part of this individual ‘Wilder’…

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Acting as the Devil’s Advocate here…

I am in full support of free speech, no matter how much it offends someone. If someone doesn’t like it, don’t watch or listen to it. The more people complain about this, the more press it will receive.

Btw, Islam does not recognize, respect, or accept all prophets. It merely accepts those of the other Abrahamic faiths.

The issue with pining any of these violent actions on Islam itself, is the fact that Islam is a consistent factor between all of these acts. That in itself forces one to question it’s teachings.

Likewise, anyone has the right to criticize or attack a faith. It’s a belief, not a person.

Look at it from this way-- how tolerant is Islam in the eyes of secular westerners, when we take into account that non Muslims are not Islamically allowed to proselytize in “Muslim,” countries?
Some issues should be addressed, and those issues are the religion itself.
People who grow up in a secular state tend to think differently than those who grow up in theocracies.

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Exactly

My argument exactly, thank you, it's well written.

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Many, many people are not...because they are cognizant enough to distinguish the potential for utterance of a profound thought, and that which is simply uttered to offend. When offense becomes an end to itself, as the cartoons are and as this film is, if for no other reason than to affirm free speech...one is compelled to wonder if all original thought has been exhausted, thereby rendering the very reason why freedom of speech is held as a value noting less than null and void.

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If someone doesn't like it, don't watch or listen to it. The more people complain about this, the more press it will receive.

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Given how brain dead and inflammatory it is, I think the whole idea on all sides is that people watch and either feel indignation or outrage...

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Btw, Islam does not recognize, respect, or accept all prophets. It merely accepts those of the other Abrahamic faiths.

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Wrong, as there is no telling who was or was not a Prophet pre-Muhammad (pbuh).

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The issue with pining any of these violent actions on Islam itself, is the fact that Islam is a consistent factor between all of these acts.

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Well, to the ignorant masses yes. To pretend like there aren't any geopolitical undercurrents to any of the violence is folly...not to mention the very fact that those who criticize Muslims for their violence are in many ways sponsors of other violence on the world stage.

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That in itself forces one to question it's teachings.

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...which is useless unless one takes a good hard look at their role and justification for other violence.

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^
Many Westerners do NOT listen to what we have to say...in particular those who support that kind of trash.

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^^ Tegs bro! UN also condemn suicide bombings, or those rocket attacks on the Israeli civilians. Would the Islamists care about such condemnations as well?

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Why so angry about a movie that is nothing more than montage of Islamic sermons, Muslim murderers and Quranic verses? Do the words and actions of Islam scare you?

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I do condemn those, fully and totally!

I have never expressed pleasure at ANY loss of life. No matter who it is.

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[mod] Please do NOT post the link to any such movie on this forum. If you must ask others to watch this please do so via PM. Posting on the public boards is inflammatory and will result in removal.[/mod]

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Wth …:mad:

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if i put togather a collection of american wartime propoganda against japs and germans it will be just as inflammatory .....
this is nothing new as democracies depend upon popular support for wars they do this by demonizing their opposition

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I'm amazed there are still some people who say there's nothing wrong with this movie, either they're lying and being stubborn or being stupid and foolish.

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I don't know what is an Islamist but as muslims we should be condemning and opposing attacks on muslim or non muslim civillians.

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Passing negative judgment without having seen the film is willingly ignorant and stubborn.

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picoico

Many, many people are not...because they are cognizant enough to distinguish the potential for utterance of a profound thought, and that which is simply uttered to offend. When offense becomes an end to itself, as the cartoons are and as this film is, if for no other reason than to affirm free speech...one is compelled to wonder if all original thought has been exhausted, thereby rendering the very reason why freedom of speech is held as a value noting less than null and void.
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If it offends, it is the right of those offended to turn away from it. It's a simple tactic most of us learn in kindergarten. If someone is annoying you, IGNORE them, and they'll go away. Same with this. The more attention this receives, the more these types of films, etc will be made for the public.
Likewise, given that the majority of the world's population is not Muslim, we could go so far as to say this is perceived as educational (insert any other justification), for the world's non Muslims, and not offensive.
It all depends on your perception.**

Given how brain dead and inflammatory it is, I think the whole idea on all sides is that people watch and either feel indignation or outrage...
*Have you seen the film? *

Wrong, as there is no telling who was or was not a Prophet pre-Muhammad (pbuh).

Please show me where Islam accepts Krishna (or any other deity/avatar) or Hercules as a prophet. Then we'll talk.

Well, to the ignorant masses yes. To pretend like there aren't any geopolitical undercurrents to any of the violence is folly...not to mention the very fact that those who criticize Muslims for their violence are in many ways sponsors of other violence on the world stage.

As I stated, Islam is one of the consistent factors. As such, ALL factors must be examined, unless you choose to be willingly ignorant due to your own biases.

...which is useless unless one takes a good hard look at their role and justification for other violence.

Willful ignorance solves nothing. All factors must be taken into account, or change will never occur.

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Very nice of you. I always thought you are a considerate and compassionate person. Next time there is a rocket attack on Israeli civilians, do start a thread condemning the acts of Hamas.

p..s Islamists are those militants, and other leaders who use Islam's good name for their nefarious and petty political and financial gains.

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after all these years since 9/11 you still don't know what an islamist is? when jihadi terrorists who were bombing and killing people all over the world in th ename of islam were referred to as islamic terrorists, people objected to that reference since it seemed to mean all those who follow islam are terrorists. Therefore a slightly different term 'islamist' was coined. I understand that term to mean anybody who causes terror in the name of islam.

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when this guy releases a 15 min film and that too is a compilation of bombings conducted by jihadis many muslims such as you object. did you condemn the so called mujahideen jihadis that crossed our border and killed thousands of people in India under the guise of 'helping'? what do you think about gazni and gori and the likes of aurangazeb who slaughtered people of India just because they refused to convert to islam? I wonder of you condemn these attacks too? I ask because I understand some of these rascals are celebrated as heros by some muslims. are you one of them?

and finally. in another thread, you are confident that idolators and animal worshippers will go and burn in hell (your exact words). Your explanation was that you have no choice but to believe in such hatred because quran said so.

now, osama, zawahiri etc as well as the gaznis and gori's of the world did their killing exactly in th ename of the same religion and book.

you do what they did but you are also ready to condemn them.

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I don't know what Kindergarten you went to, but it mine we learned never to back down from unprovoked attack. We learned NEVER to offend for the sake of offense...and even at such a young age we learned how sensitive certain topics are and how to tread lightly around them. And this included, of course, religion.

The universal right of the offended is to express their offense...and hopefully the expression will be only commensurate to the offense. What you are suggesting is that people, in effect, shut up and go away. Not going to happen. Nor is that very tolerant, btw. But this isn't really about tolerance...

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Yes...the question is Have YOU? Or are you at least aware of the surrounding narrative that the movie is part and parcel of? Or are you defending something you have little interest in simply because "free speech" is under attack?

It's silly to suggest that we can watch this film in isolation (as brain-dead as it is), while ignoring the film makers agenda which is quite transparent.

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Please show me where Islam accepts Krishna (or any other deity/avatar) or Hercules as a prophet. Then we'll talk.

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Please show me how Herc and Krishna are accepted as Prophets (and not GOD/demi-GOD), and then we'll talk.

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As I stated, Islam is one of the consistent factors. As such, ALL factors must be examined, unless you choose to be willingly ignorant due to your own biases.

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What are the other factors? You singled Islam out...so whom is being willingly ignorant?

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Can someone please explain what exactly it is about this film that they find so disgusting? All I see in the movie is Quranic verses, Islamic decrees and the actions of Muslims.

The only people attacking Islam are Muslims. Wilders merely put it together for you.

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I find it disgusting that someone would put a film such as this together knowing fully well that it will hurt the sentiments of the pious muslims and inflame the passions of the violent muslims.