Has anyone been on this forum?
Why are they all so evil? And we wonder why Islam and Muslims in general are in such a state.
All they do is insult shias or insult each other or insult non Muslims.
That’s all that each thread is about.
I tried to ask a genuine question and just got abuse back.
Ummah my arse
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Has anyone been on this forum?
Why are they all so evil? And we wonder why Islam and Muslims in general are in such a state.
All they do is insult shias or insult each other or insult non Muslims. That's all that each thread is about.
I tried to ask a genuine question and just got abuse back.
** Ummah my arse **
This is the reason. Instead of commenting against those who are ruining the image of Ummah your comment is degrading/insulting Ummah. Any person who believe in the concept of Ummah would be offended by that and war of words will start.
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Well it was meant in context of the people on the forum but yes I guess it could be misconstrued.
Anyways I'm over it now. Leave them to wallow in hatred and dream of murder and other barbaric acts.
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Has anyone been on this forum?
Why are they all so evil? And we wonder why Islam and Muslims in general are in such a state.
All they do is insult shias or insult each other or insult non Muslims. That's all that each thread is about.
I tried to ask a genuine question and just got abuse back.
Ummah my arse
I've no idea which forum are you talking about but i'm guessing its not GS. :)
Anywaz, peopl will definitely disagree with you, and sometimes fight with you but there comes the challenge to hold your nerves, be patient and argue logically instead of personal attacks. When people see you being nice all the time, they'll stop fighting and giving you proper respect. Try it on GS ;)
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The irony.. Religion brings you peace religious people (mostly) dont..
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There is no Ummah. Most Muslim deaths are caused by/due to collaboration of Muslims, every Muslim country is after $$$$. Only Ummah that exists in the Pakistani's mind where we bend over backwards to our Arab lords.
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No such thing as brotherhood when it comes to International relations.
Everyone is out for themselves. About time Pakistanis understood this.
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بری حیران کن بات ھے۔
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This is the reason. Instead of commenting against those who are ruining the image of Ummah your comment is degrading/insulting Ummah. Any person who believe in the concept of Ummah would be offended by that and war of words will start.
Exactly.
That is why people should start with improving themselves. And then point fingers to others.
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There is no Ummah. Most Muslim deaths are caused by/due to collaboration of Muslims, every Muslim country is after $$$$. Only Ummah that exists in the Pakistani's mind where we bend over backwards to our Arab lords.
No such thing as brotherhood when it comes to International relations.
Everyone is out for themselves. About time Pakistanis understood this.
The moment "we the people" give up on unity is another step away from the brotherhood which Islam professes, and Quran commands us to adhere to. It's easy to just go the way of the crowd, but it's always hard to go against the flow, to work overtime to improve the situation, and to make things better in our own respective locales.
I was reading the article about where 71 syrian migrant were found in Austria, 3 of them children who were transferred to the hospital, but later disappeared. You would have to read the comments of the non-muslims, and the universal message you get from the commentary is that "why don't they stay to fight for their own country instead of running away from their land, and improve their own situation instead of looking for handouts". I say rightly so. Every person should be doing whatever they can in their capacity to improve the situation of others around them, you can label it whatever makes you feel at ease in society but at the core of it, it is unity, brotherhood, and "ummah".
A whole lot of us migrate out of our respective ancestor lands to other countries for better opportunities, but those countries didn't get there overnight. In retrospect these very countries adopted the spirit of Ummah, and pooled together resources to help alleviate their suffering. What you have today in the shape of European "Union" is perhaps a product of unity that came from chaos, and the need for an organized body after much infighting.
While other nations turn to learn from their mistakes and arrive at the conclusion that we've been served on a silver platter through the sacrifices of our early predecessors, the sahaba (r.a.), we want to go the opposite direction, deliberately suffer first, to hopefully and eventually arrive at the same end product which we're seeking through chaos. That's pretty twisted.
Ummah is real, and achievable. It needs us all to contribute towards it, because the reality of it is, whether we do it or not, it will come to be if not at our hands then at the hands of our coming generations but in what light will we be remembered? As those who struggled to provide a better future for our generations, or as cowards who sought refuge in our individual comfort while forsaking the communal struggle for the better of our communities (muslims, non-muslims alike).
Perhaps Pakistanis are the only ones still holding onto this idea of hope, and if anything we ought to encourage it at the very least if we can't help those in need and help bring about comfort for those suffering in poverty, and lack of resources. Other muslim nations will eventually come around to the same realization that fractured nations of before came to realize that strength lies in unity, not in singular fiefdoms.
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Has anyone been on this forum?
Why are they all so evil? And we wonder why Islam and Muslims in general are in such a state.
All they do is insult shias or insult each other or insult non Muslims. That's all that each thread is about.
I tried to ask a genuine question and just got abuse back.
Ummah my arse
Personally have not been there. I may have come across it a few times while searching the web for various issues/answers, etc. Have you read every thread, and every discussion that ever took place there to arrive at that conclusion?
I'm sure they have flaws that need to be worked on. We're ourselves not without flaws. We do much of the same thing here, perhaps at a lesser level. We gossip, backbite, critique just for the sake of feeling important (I'm guilty of this the most out of everyone), and indulge in other prohibited actions all the time, most of the time without even realizing it. Shame on them, and shame on us for not working to better ourselves.
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if there is no ummah how come I feel at home in any masjid i go to ?
no matter people from which country established it ?
How come Christians all have their own county's churches they attend.
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if there is no ummah how come I feel at home in any masjid i go to ? no matter people from which country established it ?
How come Christians all have their own county's churches they attend.
Well what you are saying is valid but those who say there is no ummah are trying to say, i think, that may be there should be one but there isnt any to the scale that we think it is. For example as you said its there upto the level of a masjid but as soon as it comes to self-interest, people will run over you to grab the first opportunity they see (even if its inside masjid etc). And thats where the problem starts.
So then the question is raised why Pakistanis have so much desire to form an ummah on universal level or to be a part of it, while rest of the nations are not just sleeping rather see most of us with so much contempt?! An ummah can only be formed from all sides of the world, 20-25 crores cant do nothing
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if there is no ummah how come I feel at home in any masjid i go to ? no matter people from which country established it ?
How come Christians all have their own county's churches they attend.
I wonder how much of the dissatisfaction that some feel stems from their own projected feelings?
I have never felt out of place in any mosque and we've been to several around the world....
Then again, perhaps it's not about simply attending a mosque for a brief period.....perhaps it's more about sharing views and driving towards a goal....
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yeah..
Its more like being oblivious from what amazing thing we already possess.
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Teggy, you are mod (err Admin) and all, so don't want to insult you, but you are way off in the fantasy land.
PS It takes two to tango or as they say in urdu, two hands are needed to clap. Ummah is as good as its nations and followers and it isn't there. We have bigger issues to fry like ending extremism and exploring this world like the 8th - 10th muslims did instead of getting stuck in circular philosophical debates. I think Javed Ghamdi was right when he said that we never really cared for science except for the first few centuries and mention the muslim scientists only to not feel demeaned compared to West that has made so many strides.
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Teggy, you are mod (err Admin) and all, so don't want to insult you, but you are way off in the fantasy land.
PS It takes two to tango or as they say in urdu, two hands are needed to clap. Ummah is as good as its nations and followers and it isn't there. We have bigger issues to fry like ending extremism and exploring this world like the 8th - 10th muslims did instead of getting stuck in circular philosophical debates. I think Javed Ghamdi was right when he said that we never really cared for science except for the first few centuries and mention the muslim scientists only to not feel demeaned compared to West that has made so many strides.
Circular debate is not stopping us from going forward.
We don't argue about some thing and decide "oh lets not build library for public" or "lets not translate marital in urdu"
Even when we had what it takes to develop, we would still have those debates. Check youtube for developed nations and their debates.
What taggy said is not wrong, as you can see all the European scientists, moved to rich European countries. Biggest russian mathematician moved from swedan(I think) to russian, caused russian advance in technology.
Tesla moved to us.. etc etc...
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We are not innovating and there are not even real debates about that. Philosophy to me in that sense is completely useless.
People say Al-Ghazali stifled science, but another view is that he was actually campaigning against the useless debates happening then and perhaps even now as Ghamdi alludes to in his views. There is nothing wrong in being a skeptic just like Ghazali said that just don't believe in a philosopher if he has made advancements in math and physics or the converse of disbelieving science because you figured out the uselessness of their philosophical endeavors.
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We are not innovating and there are not even real debates about that. Philosophy to me in that sense is completely useless.
People say Al-Ghazali stifled science, but another view is that he was actually campaigning against the useless debates happening then and perhaps even now as Ghamdi alludes to in his views. There is nothing wrong in being a skeptic just like Ghazali said that just don't believe in a philosopher if he has made advancements in math and physics or the converse of disbelieving science because you figured out the uselessness of their philosophical endeavors.
When every one plays cricket we get waseem akram and shoaib etc...
When every one would have their hands on books we will get many new Ghazalis.
BTW, now you are sticking to circular logic. I am asking you to look at some thing new, you want to go back to what you started with. :D
But its all good, I come home every time I go running. Circular logic is still better then keep brain idle.
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People here wouldn't spare a second to bash you either. Seems like you have yet to experience that.