Umar(ra) refused to give the PEN to the Prophet(sa) – "is it TRUE"?

::: Query by Zalim:

::: Reply:

**::: Reply from Zalim: **

Attn: Ahl_e_Sunnah
Attn: a11shah
Attn: Sudhar Asif
Attn: Pathan Bahi
Attn: All my Shia Friends

I simply asked a question above, for which the reply is still pending. Why?

O People bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, now bear witness that what ever you are saying is true. And you all have read the reference in Sahi Bukhari with your own eyes. Now whatever is in your hearts will be judged by Allah and not by me or anyone else.

Please Brothers, sincerely reply to my question and show me the tradition. or admit that this is our delusional beliefs. Since all of you have read the tradition by yourself, it should not be difficult to find it again. is it? Why wandering here and there, why not stick to one point and answer this first?

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::: I NEED THE PAGE NUMBER
::: I NEED THE CHAPTER NUMBER

PERIOD**

You are not deceiving anyone except yourself and Allah, Your silence is sufficient to understand.

::: [PS:] Sunni brothers and Sisters, is there anyone who could help me in finding the said Hadith?

wa’salam

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited August 08, 2000).]

Ali Abbas wrote some references from Sahih Bukhari in the other thread: viz

*::: Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573
::: Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.716 *

Brother Salam, unfortunately all my efforts go in vain again.

I know I am little in knowledge and wisdom, but my common sense after reviewing the Sahih Bukhari says that the traditions are indexed as follows;

Total Traditions: 2408
Total Chapters: 1289
Total Pages: 977

The thing noteworthy over here is that the tradition numbers are NOT interrupted by the chapters, i.e. the traditions are numbered from 1 to 2408 while the chapters doesn’t break the numbering. In this light the number you referred is not valid. (9.468, 7.573, 5.716). How come the Hadith 468 falls in chapter nine, while 715 in five or 573 in seven, as you quoted above? This might be the problem I am facing in finding right now.

Cant find the Hadith as you directed. I have Sahih of Bukhari from Pakistan, and have also looked in the edition from Saudia Arabia in the library. But the number you referred is not there. Is there any different edition of it too?

Bismillah,
I hope dearly that differing copies of the Sahihs’s have not been circulated. I too would very much like to see the reference.
Please Do not point me to the written form of the Hadis. instead point out the exact place where this Hadis appears on the site
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

< Messenger's pain became very severe, and he said, "Come here, I will
write you a document which will prevent you from straying from the right
path. >>

Guys, I was seeing this debate for long time and surprise that nobody noticed one thing which make this Hadis weak. Just think about it, you don't ask for the car keys unless you know how to drive. Hazoor (SAW) was UMI, and we know from different saying that whenever he had to sign he use to ask Hazarat Ali or other Sahabi to find out where to stamp his sign. He had a Stamp with MOHAMMAD PROPHET OF GOD (saw) on it and he use to use that stamp to print his signature.

Jahno paaji, mai in ko isi baat pay lanay ki koshish ker raha hoon.. pehlay in say sach to ugal wa loon... they cant proove what they are saying how will they accept that holy prophet was an ummi.

Imagine how many excuses they made when asked about the truth. All of the above mentioned members has claimed that they have read the refered hadith by themselves, yet they cant find it again.. more over the number they quoted are "absolutely wrong".

anyways my purpose of starting this debate is to proove that holy prophet was an illerate man. he dont know how to read and write.

I dont know what they are up to. but they have distorted the roots of Islam.

Zalim, and johnd,

what is wrong with U...do U first write something then sign, or do u sign then write?!


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

Zalim,

U R persistently asking the same Q again and again, all those people that found it, U took no time in saying that they were shia, eventhough they maybe sunni, and what do U think they really give a damn if we believe what they believe...if U want to learn, leave all ure prejudice, and bias at home.
laterz


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

Ahl_e_Sunnah, you didn’t get my point brother.

*“I asked does such Hadith exist in Bukhari?” *

IF NO: then what are you trying to enforce so assertively?

IF YES: then how come its not been located in al'Bukhari. You have read that, you are quite confident about that then whats hindering you to show us the page number and Hadith number, Why fooling around. Please don’t give me a crap, I have searched all the index, I have searched the reference. What Ali Abbas mentioned is nothing but imaginary.

Conclusion ::: “NO SUCH HADITH EXISTS” – PERIOD

You are deliberately trying to distort and corrupt the teachings of Islam, for the sake of your groundless beliefs.

**PS:* Is there any Suuni sur-la-net who can pull out this hadith from Sahih Bukhari?*

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Excuse 6 ::: Ahl_e_Sunnah: *“… U R persistently asking the same Q again and again, all those people that found it, U took no time in saying that they were shia, eventhough they maybe sunni, and what do U think they really give a damn if we believe what they believe...if U want to learn, leave all ure prejudice, and bias at home.”*

Excuse 7 ::: a11shah: *“…You claim that you cannot find the relevant hadiths in your own Sahihs which your greatest Ulemas have testified to and which MILLIONS have read. Yet now you conveniently cannot locate it. Good for you”.*

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I will not close this thread untill you stop bashing the caliphs and show us the proofs....

In another thread MR SHAH says that there is verse in Quran for the wive of the prophet(sa) in which Allah has showed His anger. (reference for that is also pehding)
astagfayrullah hay rabbi

I know all it doesnt worth a penny and is wastage of time.. but it will definitely escort you to your homes.

jhootay ko gher tak pauhcha ker aana chahiay.

I raised the question earler too guys and I'll ask it again .I always had the notion that our holy prophet couldn't read or write
that's why he had all his wahi's memorized
and later were written down by some one else.
so......then the whole debate seems pointless
isn't it?

I think that these pathan bhai,sardar asif,
alishah and ahl-e-sunnah r one and the same
thats why only they can find the related
hadiths that they have quoted and not any one else.

i think i have to correct some little bit. the holy prophet(pbuh) could not read or write at the beginnings of the wahi but later he has learnt this, so that he was able to read and write at his last age.

and second, that the wahi was not written later. it happened at the same time by some sahaba(mgbt). they wrote wahi one stones and leaves.
i hope, that the detallied correction may come from zalim!!!

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beyond the horizont°°°my heart gone

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Originally posted by Zalim:
***::: Query by Zalim:*

O People bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, now bear witness that what ever you are saying is true. And you all have read the reference in Sahi Bukhari with your own eyes. Now whatever is in your hearts will be judged by Allah and not by me or anyone else.

Please Brothers, sincerely reply to my question and show me the tradition. or admit that this is our delusional beliefs. Since all of you have read the tradition by yourself, it should not be difficult to find it again. is it? Why wandering here and there, why not stick to one point and answer this first?

**
::: I NEED THE PAGE NUMBER
::: I NEED THE CHAPTER NUMBER

PERIOD**

You are not deceiving anyone except yourself and Allah, Your silence is sufficient to understand.

::: [PS:] Sunni brothers and Sisters, is there anyone who could help me in finding the said Hadith?

wa'salam

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited August 08, 2000).]**
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First of all the Prophet (PBUH) was not a man of letters, so if anything he would have told the Ashab-e-Ikram on their faces on whom should succeed him, if he so wished.
Now as far as the caliphs are concerned they were all related and sinless individuals. Why was it that Syedana Ali never said anything when three caliphs preceeded him and took the sword in his hands when it came to Syedena Amir Maawia. Reason is that he accepted the other three but did not accept Syedena Maawia as the rightful caliph. even during the muslim hostilities both Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Maawia immensely respected each other and in religious matters Hazrat Maawia time and again asked for Hazrat Ali's councel.
From historic perspective the most lucrative period of the Khilafa was during Hazrat Omar's time. Historically it was a mistake to have chosen Hazrat Usman as a caliph in place of Hazrat Ali. No disrespect to Hazrat Usman but he was a very gentle soul and was used by some of his mischevious relatives without him realizing it. If Hazrat Ali had succeeded after Hazrat Omar things would have been totally different. It would not have given rise to another sect and all the blood that was lost between the muslims would have been utilized towards something more useful.
Hazrat Ali's khilafat was a failure strictly from a historic point of view, not because of his inability but rather the internal rifts that took place during his rule.
However Allah knows best and what happened is now dead and buried in the past. For the present we need to bridge gaps between Sunnism and Shiaism

I have heard this incident about the "Pen &the Paper" commonly called (Waqia-e-Qartas) from my learned shia friends.Lets analyze it without any bias and using only common sense.Firstly every Muslim knows that Prophet was an (UMMI) unlettered who did not know how to read and write!so the question arises, why will he ask for a pen or a paper?If he really asked for a such ,can you imagine that anyone can dare to refuse the beloved Prophet of Allah?I very much doubt the validity of this so called incident.In my humble opinion this was concocted by the bias Shia clergy in order to discredit Omar ibn Khattab..its vice versa ...both shias & sunnis are doing this to dis credit each other and to divide Ummah for their own vested interests.This division was originated by Muawiyah bin Suffiyan who ordered the clergy to curse the memory of Syedna Ali after the Khutba of friday prayers.

Bismillah,
Attention a11shah. i would really love to see your reply to this one :). Since you seem to disregard everything making Hazrat Umar(RA) and Hazrat Abu Bakr(RA) respectful as biased. lets see you answer to this.

Hadis From Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 20:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiya:

I asked my father ('Ali bin Abi Talib), “Who are the best people after Allah’s Apostle ?” He said, “Abu Bakr.” I asked, “Who then?” He said, "Then 'Umar. " I was afraid he would say "Uthman, so I said, “Then you?” He said,
"I am only an ordinary person.

Can be found at: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/057.sbt.html

Allah Hafiz

Sallam to all,

I searched the website you mentioned and here is the hadith you requested:

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 393:
Narrated Said bin Jubair:

that he heard Ibn 'Abbas saying, "Thursday! And you know not what Thursday is? After that Ibn 'Abbas wept till the stones on the ground were soaked with his tears. On that I asked Ibn 'Abbas, “What is (about) Thursday?” He said, "When the condition (i.e. health) of Allah’s Apostle deteriorated, he said, 'Bring me a bone of scapula, so that I may write something for you after which you will never go astray.'The people differed in their opinions although it was improper to differ in front of a prophet, They said, 'What is wrong with him? Do you think he is delirious? Ask him (to understand). The Prophet replied, ‘Leave me as I am in a better state than what you are asking me to do.’ Then the Prophet ordered them to do three things saying, ‘Turn out all the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, show respect to all foreign delegates by giving them gifts as I used to do.’ " The sub-narrator added, "The third order was something beneficial which either Ibn ‘Abbas did not mention or he mentioned but I forgot.’

The link which takes you to it is; http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/053.sbt.html#004.053.393


Most fortunate is the one who makes a few good friends in this world, most unfortunate is he who makes them and then loses them through his actions.

Dear Sunni brothers;
Look at the Sahih Bukhari link below WHICH YOU PROVIDED THAT SHOWS how your sham sahabah, Umar bin Khattab, REFUSED TO GIVE THE HOLY PROPHET something to write on during his last days before his death:

The link is the one you (Zalim) provided: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/003.sbt.html

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114:

Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:

Ibn 'Abbas said, “When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, ‘Bring for
me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go
astray.’ But 'Umar said, ‘The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah’s Book
with us and that is sufficient for us.’ But the companions of the Prophet differed about
this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave
me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me.” Ibn 'Abbas came out
saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah’s Apostle was prevented
from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Note: It
is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbes had witnessed the event and came out
saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on
narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fath Al-Bari
Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 228, Vol. 4).

LOOK HOW YOUR SUNNI COMMENTORS ARE TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THE INCIDENT WITH THEIR LAST STATEMENTS.

Imam Bukhari writes in Volume I of his Sahih:
Umar said, ‘The Messenger of God is overcome
by pain. We do not need any testament. We
already have the Book of God, and that is
enough for us.’(page 25)

Bukhari has recorded the same incident in
Volume II of the Sahih in the following words:

“The Messenger of God said: ‘Bring a piece of
paper. I will write something on it for you which
will prevent you from going astray.’ But the
people who were present, began to argue among
themselves. Some of them said that the
Messenger of God was talking in delirium.” (p.
121)

Here Bukhari has made an attempt to conceal
Umar’s identity behind the screen of the words
some of them.

But Shaikh Shihab-ud-Deen Khaffaji, a Sunni
historian, is less coy in this matter, and says:

“Umar said: ‘The Messenger of God is talking
nonsense.’” (Nasim-ur-Riyadh, Volume IV, page
278)

For a Muslim to insinuate that the Last and the
Greatest Messenger of God was “talking
nonsense” was a most wanton and reckless
statement. Is it at all possible that the Bringer
and the Interpreter of God’s Last Message to
mankind, could become a “nonsense-talker?”
And yet, what was so unreasonable or irrational
or reprehensible in his request to let him write
his will?

Umar’s gratuitous remarks led to an argument
among those companions who were present in
the chamber of the Prophet. A few of them said
that they ought to obey their Master, and bring
pen, paper and ink to him. But the others who
were in majority, supported Umar and withheld
the writing implements from him. The argument
became so raucous that the Prophet had to order
them to get out of his room, and to leave him
alone.

Bukhari further writes in his Sahih:

“When the sickness of the Apostle took a serious
turn, he said, ‘Bring paper so that I may indite
for you a will that would prevent you from going
astray after my death.’ Umar bin al-Khattab said,
‘No. This is meaningless talk. The Book of God
is sufficient for us.’ Another man said: ‘We must
bring paper,’ until there was an argument, and
the Apostle said: ‘Get out of here.’”

The defiance of the Messenger of God by Umar
had polarized the former’s entourage into two
groups. It was precisely from this moment that
schism reared its head in the Muslim umma.

It was probably the last time when Muhammad,
the Messenger of God and the Sovereign of
Muslims, had expressed any wish before his
companions. But they defied him. He was
shocked but perhaps he was not surprised at
their defiance. It was not the first time that they
had defied him. Usama’s expedition had
unmasked them.

Sir William Muir

About this time, recognizing Umar, and some
other chief men in the room, he (Mohammed)
called out: ‘Fetch me hither ink and paper, so
that I may record for you a writing which shall
hinder you from going astray for ever.’ Umar
said, ‘He wandreth in his mind. Is not the Coran
sufficient for us?’ (The Life of Mohammed,
London, 1877)

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

While under a strong attack of fever and
surrounded by visitors, Muhammad asked that
pen and ink and paper be brought. He said he
would dictate something for his followers’
benefit, assuring them that if they adhered to it,
they would never go astray. Some of the people
present thought that since the Prophet - May
God’s peace and blessings be upon him - was
severely ill and since the Muslims already had
the Quran, no further writing was necessary. It is
related that that thought belonged to Umar. The
people present disagreed among themselves,
some wishing to bring writing materials and take
down what the Prophet would dictate, and others
thinking that any further writing besides that of
the Book of God would be superfluous.
Muhammad asked them to leave, saying, ‘You
must not disagree in my presence.’ Ibn Abbas
feared that Muslims might lose something
important if they did not bring the writing
materials but Umar held firmly to his decision
which he based upon God’s Own words in His
Book: “In this scripture, We have left out
nothing.” (The Life of Muhammad, Cairo, 1935)

In an article captioned Iqbal and Islamic Polity,
published in the April 1964 issue of the monthly
magazine, Muslim News International, of
Karachi, Pakistan, the writer, Jamilud-Din
Ahmad, says:

“…The question which confronts the Muslim
countries is, whether the law of Islam is capable
of evolution - a question which will require
great intellectual effort and is sure to be
answered in the affirmative; provided the world
of Islam approaches it in the spirit of Umar - the
first critical and independent mind in Islam,
who, at the last moments of the Prophet, had the
moral courage to utter these remarkable words:
‘The Book of God is sufficient for us.’”

The writer quoted above apparently is very
proud of the “moral courage” of Umar.

Muhammad, the Messenger of God, was on his
deathbed, and perhaps did not have many hours
to live. It was this time that Umar chose to
demonstrate his moral courage. At Hudaybiyya,
Muhammad Mustafa had ordered him to carry a
message to the Quraysh in Makkah but he
refused to go on the plea that since there was no
one in that city to protect him, they would kill
him.Also, when the Treaty of Hudaybiyya was
signed, Umar was led, by his “love” of Islam to
defy the Apostle of God, and now when the
latter was dying, the same “love” asserted itself
once again, and forced him to prevent him (the
Apostle) from dictating anything that would
“impair the authority of the Book of God.”

If Umar was prompted to disobey Muhammad
Mustafa for this reason, then it means that he
(Umar) believed that he (Muhammad) was going
to challenge the authority of Qur’an. But how did
Umar know that Muhammad would challenge the
authority of Qur’an? If the latter had dictated the
will, its first few words would have shown,
beyond any doubt, if he was, in the words of
Umar, “wandering in his mind” and was “talking
nonsense.”

Perhaps it did not occur to Jamilud-Din Ahmad
that Umar was pitting his “critical and
independent mind” against the authority of
Al-Qur’an al-Majid which says:

It is prescribed, when death approaches any of
you, if he leaves any goods, that he make a
bequest to parents and next of kin, according
to reasonable usage; this is due from the
God-fearing. (Chapter 2; verse 180)

But it is possible that Umar was prompted to
disobey the Apostle not by his fear that the latter
would, in the last moments of his life, undo the
work he had done in a lifetime, by overriding the
authority of Qur’an; but by his presumption that
he (the Apostle) would put into writing what he
had said earlier at Ghadeer-Khumm before the
multitude of the pilgrims, designating Ali ibn
Abi Talib as his successor. Umar had to block
him regardless of cost. A testament bearing the
seal and signature of the Prophet, designating
Ali as the future head of the State of Islam would
be a document that would put caliphate beyond
the reach of all other candidates for it.

The Prophet had no illusions about the intentions
of his principal companions vis-à-vis Ali’s
succession as the supreme head of the dominion
of Islam. As he grew noticeably weaker, they
grew noticeably bolder in defying him. The
expedition of Usama was still hanging fire. In
sheer exasperation, the Prophet invoked the
curse of God upon those men who did not report
for duty to Usama but they did not budge. And
they were just as unfazed when he ordered them
out of his chamber.

A modern Muslim may find it incredible that any
companion of the Prophet of Islam would
attribute his commands to “delirium.” But there
is a Qur’anic parallel for such conduct. It
appears that those companions of Muhammad,
the Prophet of the Arabs, who said that he was
“wandering in his mind,” had their own
forerunners in the brothers of Joseph, the
Prophet of the Israelites. The brothers of Joseph
said that Jacob, their father who was also a
prophet, was “wandering in his mind.” They
thought that they were the “smart” ones which he
was not. Qur’an has quoted them as follows:

They said: “truly Joseph and his brother are
loved more by our father than we: But we are a
goodly body! really our father is obviously
wandering (in his mind) Slay ye Joseph or cast
him out to some (unknown) land, that so the
favor of your father may be given to you alone
(there will be time enough) for you to be
righteous after that.” (Chapter 12; verses 8
and 9)

Translator’s Note

The ten brothers not only envied and hated their
innocent younger brothers Joseph and Benjamin.
They despised and dishonored their father as an
ignorant fool - in his dotage. In reality Jacob had
the wisdom to see that his younger and innocent
sons wanted protection and to perceive Joseph’s
spiritual greatness. But his wisdom, to them,
was folly or madness or imbecility, because it
touched their self-love, as truth often does. And
they relied on the brute strength of numbers - the
ten hefty brethren against old Jacob, the lad
Joseph, and the boy Benjamin. (A. Yusuf Ali)

Explaining the last line of the second verse,
quoted above, the commentator further says:

They (the brethren of Joseph) say in irony, “Let
us first get rid of Joseph. It will be time enough
then to pretend to be ‘good’ like him, or to repent
of our crime after we have had all its benefits in
material things.”

Here a student of history might pose the
question: Why didn’t Muhammad dictate his will
later, after the initial failure; surely, there were
occasions when the companions gathered again
to see him, and he could have dictated his will
to them.

We can assume that Muhammad could have
dictated his will at a later time but what was
there to prevent Umar and his supporters from
claiming that it was dictated in a state of
“delirium,” and was “nonsensical,” and was,
therefore, not acceptable to the umma.
Muhammad had not heard anything more ugly
since the times of Abu Jahl, and was not very
anxious to hear it again, especially when he was
on his deathbed. He, therefore, abandoned the
idea.

Umar’s ploy would have worked even if
Muhammad had dictated the will. To rationalize
Umar’s conduct, his apologists say that religion
had been completed and perfected, and a will,
therefore, was not necessary. It is true that
religion was now complete and perfect but it
didn’t mean that the umma was perfect, and that
it could dispense with guidance since it was in
no danger of deviating from the course of Truth.
The umma could deviate from rectitude and it
did. All the civil wars, dissension’s and schisms
in Islam, were caused by this deviation.

For the umma to assert that such a will was not
necessary, is to arrogate too much authority to
itself. It ought to leave this matter to the
judgment of the man whom God selected to be
His Messenger to mankind. He alone knew if a
will was necessary or not. What right the umma
has to restrict the freedom of action of the
Representative of God on this earth?

Umar’s defiance of Muhammad, when the latter
was already at the door of death, is one of the
most hideous scenes in the history of Islam, and
no amount of window-dressing by historians can
finesse it away. The same scene was also the
prelude to sustained confrontation between the
companions and the members of his (the
Prophet’s) family.

Explain this to me. Even if we are to take your mumbo jumbo to be true for argument's sake,then what did Hazrat Umar got out of hoodwinking the Ashab-e-Ikram?
Did he become the Khalifa? No as I recall like all of you Hazrat Abu Bakr was the first Khalifa.

Now Hazrat Umar to become to win Khalifa had the guts to defy the Holy prophet (PBUH) but did not stand infront of Abu Bakr and took BUIT on his hand. Does that sound logical? The only motive of Hazrat Umar could have been the greed for power (as per the Shia thought) or his animosity with Hazrat Ali during the prophet's (SAW) era. There is no incident of any ill will between the two and even when Hazrat Umar became the Khalifa he could have easily gotten rid of Hazrat Ali by sending him to a far fetched land so that all chances of him taking the Khilafat over were fizzled out.
Yet Hazrat Ali remained in Madina till the time he himself became the Khalifa and moved the capital to Iraq.
If anything going by history the only struggle for power that lead to war between the muslims during the Khilafat Rashidin was during Hazrat Ali's time. He kept fighting till the end with Amir Mauwia for what he thought was his by right. He could have done the same with Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar or Hazrat Usman, but he did not. Do you feel he was scared of muslim disunity then. I don't think so for Hazrat Ali was a fearless leader who stuck by just and truth. When he felt that Amir Mauwvia was unfit for the position he rose and retaliated till his shahadet.

Rationl very thoughtful point that one. Now i am not going to type anything and raise stupid arguments because some people here just argue and learn nothing, so this is my last post probably.

And i like your question about hazrat ali (as) not fighting Hazrat Abu Bakr, omar and osman and then going on to fight with Muawia. well the answer could be found in NAHAJ-ul-BALAGH. I suppose there is a link to it given somewhere here on this forum so if you could only go and read a khutba from huzrat ALI (as) where he has talked in detail precisely about what you have asked that why did he not fight those three.

salam
ramesha