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Sad, at least the Brits are accountable for any wrong doingm unlike **us*.
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No I think the US said they were investigating as well, hopefully they will all be caught, all those reponsible and strung up by their balls, everyone including Bush.
The Brits were told a year ago by the Red Cross and others that their soldiers were involved in torture and murder of Iraqi's, yet did nothing about it until one brave UK paper posted a shocking story on it. That shows a deceitful and lying government, not an accountable one, and people defending them should first collate all their facts first.
This is just one of many ‘casualties’. There is much more posted the BBC website. A full report by Amnesty International looking into many other deaths by UK/American troops is also posted here. I’m afraid the cycle of death will continue … innocent Iraqi civilians … innocent Americans/Europeans being slaughtered in response … :bummer:
HANAN SALEH MATRUD
Accounts differ as to how eight-year-old Hanan died
Eight-year-old Hanan Saleh Matrud was killed in Karmat Ali on 21 August 2003 by a soldier from B Company of the First Battalion the King’s Regiment.
There are differences in the accounts of what happened.
The soldiers said, in a letter to the family, that they had fired a warning shot to disperse a crowd of stone-throwers.
Several minutes later, the patrol noticed a crowd of people running towards them with a girl who had been cut in the stomach. She was taken to the Czech Hospital in northern Basra, but Hanan died the following morning.
The suggestion was that the injury was as a result of the warning shot.
One eyewitness said an armoured vehicle stopped near the entrance to the alley which leads to Hanan’s home.
When three or four soldiers got out, a group of children, including Hanan, gathered about 60 or 70 metres from the vehicle inside the alley.
Suddenly a soldier fired a shot which hit Hanan in her lower torso.
The family and the clan refused a truce offered by the Army without compensation.
Hanan’s father asked the army about compensation, but was told that a future Iraqi government would decide whether to compensate him.
According to Hanan’s family, the military police photographed the area and interviewed witnesses the day after the killing, and photographed Hanan’s body in the hospital.
However, the armed forces minister said no investigation was initiated by the UK military authorities into the killing.
WA’EL RAHIM JABAR
Wa’el Rahim Jabar was shot by a UK paratrooper on 26 May 2003 as he walked with two friends along a street in Amara about 9.10pm.
The 20-year-old was carrying a Kalashnikov rifle over his right shoulder - it was common for Iraqis to carry weapons - but he did not realise there were four paratroopers nearby.
One of the paratroopers began shooting from about 6 metres away, reportedly without warning, killing Mr Jabar immediately.
About 10 days later, a group of paratroopers visited Wa’el Rahim Jabar’s uncle to express sympathy.
However, they stressed that the soldier had opened fire because the victim was carrying a weapon in public even though the British Army had warned Iraqis not to do this.
In June 2003, the family’s lawyer gave a Coalition Provisional Authority representative a complaint about the killing, including a request for compensation.
By February 2004, the family had received no response and they were unaware that the Royal Military Police had been investigating the killing.
Mr Jabar was a student as well as a baker working to support his mother, wife and two children.
HAZAM JUMAH KATI AND ABED ABD AL-KARIM HASSAN
The widow and children of Hazam Jumah Kati
On 4 August 2003 soldiers from the B Company of the First Battalion the King’s Regiment opened fire in Hay al-Shuhada, al-Majdiyeh, killing Hazam Jumah Kati, an unemployed man aged about 60, and Abed Abd al-Karim Hassan, an unemployed man aged about 25.
The two men had left their homes, unarmed, to see why there had been shots fired in their neighbourhood. It turned out that Iraqis nearby had fired into the air to mark the death of a local sheikh.
About 15 minutes after the gunfire, a UK military patrol arrived. They opened fire when they saw Mr Kati and Mr Hassan walking back home.
Jumah Kati, Hazam’s father, told Amnesty International that soldiers told them two people had been killed.
"I said to Captain Tai: ‘Why did you kill?’ He said: ‘I am sorry. There was a mistake. I apologize.’
“I repeated the question: ‘Why did you kill them?’ He said: ‘It was dark. One colleague was in a hurry. I am sorry. I don’t accept such behaviour.’”
Army representatives visited the family to apologise, but made it clear that the army was not prepared to give compensation because it did not accept responsibility for the deaths.
Instead both families were offered a “donation” - 2m Iraqi dinars was made for the family of Mr Hassan and 3m Iraqi dinars for the family of Mr Kati.
A letter to the families said the patrol encountered two men, “who appeared to be armed and a direct threat to their lives, so they opened fire and killed them”.
No investigation was initiated by the UK military authorities into the killings.
WALID FAYAY MAZBAN
Walid Fayay Mazban, a 42-year-old driver, was shot dead on 24 August 2003 at a temporary checkpoint in Basra, by a soldier from the First Battalion the King’s Regiment.
He was the only earner for his wife, two children and two parents.
Mr Mazban was fired on from behind after he had turned his minibus left at the junction near the checkpoint.
Kadhem Finjan Hussein, formerly Chairman of the Local Councils in North Basra, who participated in negotiations between Mr Mazban’s family and the British Army, told Amnesty International that the representatives from the British Army had told him that soldiers at the checkpoint had seen Mr Mazban’s vehicle swerving in a suspicious manner.
They had shouted “stop” in English at the vehicle. After it failed to stop, they had fired . Mr Mazban did not understand English and it is possible that he did not even hear the order to stop.
According to Hussein Kadhem Finjan Hussein, a UK officer offered to pay 2,000,000 Iraqi dinars to the family. The officer stressed that this did not amount to admission of any legal liability for the killing. After initial refusal, the family accepted the sum.
The family has not been told of any investigation into the circumstances of Mr Mazban’s death. However, the armed forces minister said an investigation had been launched.
GHANEM KADHEM KATI
Ghanem Kadhem Kati, 22, was shot on 1 January, 2004. He was standing outside his house, with his back to the soldier who shot him from about 50 metres.
Before the shooting, bullets had been fired in the air to celebrate a marriage in the neighbourhood, prompting a UK patrol to arrive in the area.
The Royal Military Police apparently launched an investigation into the killing, including interviewing eyewitnesses, photographing the house and in February exhuming the body.
The family were not told how to apply for compensation.
mehanz,
These innocents being killed daily run into their 1000's and the invaders hide the coffins of a few of their own soldiers. US lives are prized so highly even though they are the coffins of soldeirs (people trained to murder and kill) yet all iraqi's are seen as thugs or terrorists, even though most are children.
This is just plain wrong, why don't more american citizens see this, they dont have to be Muslims to see it, I think hate and ignirance blinds them.
Hoon's no different to Rumsfield. It's only their names are spelt differently.
That proves my point exactly. Notice how some of those stories of Iraqi innocents murdered by the Brits are nearly a year old? It took the Mirror newspaper to report the vile British tactics in Iraq before this not so accounatble Blair government was forced to take notice.
This is mass murder unfolding before us, how can anyone justify the presence of the americans and brtish in iraq, anyone who tries is sadly condoning mass murder.
Unfortunately we have quite a few of those on this bulletin board.
It appears that only one 'group' on this site are upset by such news, the silence of another 'group' is deafening.
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It appears that only one 'group' on this site are upset by such news, the silence of another 'group' is deafening.
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You should see the excuses made in the UK by some of the gutter press and Blair's spin doctors for these allegations.
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This is mass murder unfolding before us, how can anyone justify the presence of the americans and brtish in iraq, anyone who tries is sadly condoning mass murder.
Unfortunately we have quite a few of those on this bulletin board.
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Yes, and now these same people are making excuses for the British and American mass torture and killings of Iraqi people.
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Yes, and now these same people are making excuses for the British and American mass torture and killings of Iraqi people.
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I ask you to name anyone excusing torture or mass killings.
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I ask you to name anyone excusing torture or mass killings.
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Read sections of the "gutter" British press mentioned earlier by some other participant, or some of the other threads where some members are trying desperately to not singularly condemn the British/American torture and killings of Iraqi's, without recourse to other events. Those to me are excuses. If in doubt read the latest comments by US Senator James Inhofe...
** UK troops degrade Iraqi's / Kill civilians including 8 year old girl **
Naaaa!!! this is not possible, you see only scums are capable of invasion and terrorism and eventually having their filthy a$$ kicked (examples provided on request) This is a foking lie...!!..!!
Hanan’s parents pledge vengeance](BBC NEWS | UK | Hanan's parents pledge vengeance)
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I am so disappointed...so so so disappointed.
I can't beleive the Brits do such things as well...morons. I hope they get named and shamed and publicly lynched for their wrong doings.
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the most they'll get is a year in prison, lynched? too good for them, dont you think DD?
This is the 6th squaddie to come forward witha detailed account and the British govt is still shamefully burying it’s head in the sand. The press is divided in two camps, reputable papers full of shame, the tabloids which fuel the scum responsible still trying to deflect attention to whether the photos were real or not.
SOLDIER F
‘The guards played Flob In The Face ‘darts’ with Iraqis they had lined up… They got 100 points for spitting in an eye’
The screams that echoed round a British jail where Iraqi suspects were allegedly abused still haunt Soldier F.
Barbaric treatment was meted out to prisoners at the secret Al Amara base, north of Basra.
Soldier F told the Mirror suspects were beaten, urinated on, paraded naked on all fours with a sling round their necks, locked in cells for days at a time and, on one occasion, sodomised with a broomstick.
Among the most humiliating abuses was ‘Flob in the Face darts’.
The trooper said: "Soldiers would choose an Iraqi, line him up and spit at him. It would happen every day, twice a day, at our tea breaks.
"There’d be a contest and a score would be kept. You got 50 points for hitting him on the forehead, 75 for hitting his mouth and 100 for hitting his eye.
"The Iraqis would just have to stand there and take it. If they didn’t, they’d get a battering.
"One Iraqi prisoner spat back. I never saw him again. I asked what happened to him and was told to mind my own business.
"Some things I saw sickened me. We went out there to free them and were treating them worse than dogs.
HELL: Soldier F was traumatised by what he saw
“I’m one of at least four or five servicemen I know who have sought psychological help because they were so traumatised by what they saw and heard.”
Soldier F spent four months at the jail where up to 120 guards - most from the same regiment - watched over 500 detainees.
He has not asked for, or received, any money. This is his shocking statement which he has signed as true:
SUSPECTS were banged up with 10 or more in a cell for three people.
"Many just stayed in the locked corridors of the cell block where they were thrown sheets, blankets, old sleeping bags and slept where they could.
"From the start, corporals and sergeants tried to create an atmosphere of hatred. They called the Iraqis ‘jinglies’ after the noise made by the cell keys.
"Beatings took place daily. If an Iraqi prisoner wouldn’t do as he was told he was battered to the floor and given a good kicking.
"For minor misdemeanours soldiers would take the sling off their rifles and just whack a prisoner with it. I often saw Iraqi prisoners with bruises, black eyes and cuts. But they wouldn’t get treated.
"Once, I heard an Iraqi screaming and went to a cell to find a soldier shoving a broom handle up his a**e.
"The man was in agony. I told the soldier to stop it. Later, I was called in front of sergeant and told not to argue with colleagues in front of the prisoners because it was bad for morale.
"I saw Iraqi prisoners being urinated on. Usually it was after a battering when the prisoner was lying on the floor. Someone would put a sling round his neck and hold him in position, then someone else would p**s on him.
"The other soldiers would just laugh. I also saw an Iraqi prisoner paraded naked in front of his fellow prisoners and made to kneel down on all fours with a sling round his neck like a dog lead.
"I just didn’t understand it. I tried not to get involved. But you were under pressure to behave in the same way otherwise you weren’t one of the lads.
"On Christmas Day an officer called us all together and said it was because of these Iraqi b*****ds that we were in Iraq and not at home with our loved ones.
"He was trying to wind us up. So of course some of the lads went out and gave some Iraqis a good battering. There must have been somewhere between 75 and 100 who were attacked that day. They just went on a rampage. They went mad.
"The prisoners were allowed 15 minutes’ exercise every day. But often they’d go without it depending on whether their guards could be a***d to let them out.
"I saw one man go three days without being let out. Sometimes the Iraqis would go nuts in the cells being locked up so much.
"It’s the sound of their screams that still haunts me. Anything can bring it back, like seeing some violence on telly. You hear the screams again.
"Often we’d be in the compound playing football and one of the lads would line up an Iraqi and whack the ball at him as hard as he could.
BECAUSE they were blindfolded they couldn’t see it coming. It would hit them in the face or head and they’d fall over.
"Sometimes the ball would hit them so hard, they’d end up with a red mark on their back or chest.
"When a prisoner was brought in he’d be blindfolded. Almost routinely, a soldier would kick one of his legs in front of his other so he’d fall over.
"The abuse was done by the soldiers and encouraged by the corporals. Sergeants turned a blind eye. I don’t think the officers knew what was going on.
"We had a big inspection in January from one of the most senior British officers in Iraq, perhaps the one in overall charge of our forces.
"About two days before the visit, a load of Iraqis were shipped out so that it was down to about four to a cell and the place was cleaned up.
"Usually it stank because there were so many prisoners. The officer was only there for about 20 minutes. As soon as he’d gone, it was back to business as usual.
"Prisoners were forever coming and going. It happened all the time. But I never knew where they went on to. Perhaps many were released. Even the drivers wouldn’t tell you where they’d taken them.
“I’ve come forward because I think the public ought to know the truth about what’s happening in Iraq. I know the Mirror’s allegations are true.”
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the most they'll get is a year in prison?
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Yes, but only after the British government finally start admitting that their soldiers are actually torturing and killing Iraqi's. They have known such facts for a year, yet they hid them from the British public, and are now desperately trying to discredit the Mirror newspaper which is printing these stories.
looking the the mirror is no better than The Onion since the photos they published were fakes.
by that token, so is the new york times, given jason whatsisname's story got published.
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looking the the mirror is no better than The Onion since the photos they published were fakes.
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The British government, is famous for telling the grandest of lies from WMD onwards, and has concealed allegations of torture that it has known about for over a year. Since the Mirror story numerous stories of British torture of Iraqi's has come forward from other sources as well, including British soldiers and last night from some Danish soldiers who testified to this fact.
All must be liars. according to the British government?