UK Sikhs: anti-Muslim Facebook group

This was a recent article on the Guardian website. The Guardian is a well respected UK newspaper, not a tabloid.

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Call to prosecute anti-Muslim Facebook group

Riazat Butt
Friday September 28, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

People accusing Muslims of drugging, beating and raping Sikh women should be prosecuted for inciting religious hatred, an expert on religion has told Guardian Unlimited.
Philip Lewis, who is the Bishop of Bradford’s aide on interfaith matters, was responding to claims posted by a group on the social networking site Facebook.

The group is called STOP OUR SIKH SISTERS BEING DRUGGED, RAPED, BEATEN AND USED FOR PROSTITUTION and claims that Sikh, Hindu and white girls from the ages of 13 to 22 are “being held against their will, drugged and gang raped” for the “pleasure” of Muslim extremists.

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Call to prosecute anti-Muslim Facebook group

Riazat Butt
Friday September 28, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

People accusing Muslims of drugging, beating and raping Sikh women should be prosecuted for inciting religious hatred, an expert on religion has told Guardian Unlimited.
Philip Lewis, who is the Bishop of Bradford’s aide on interfaith matters, was responding to claims posted by a group on the social networking site Facebook.

The group is called STOP OUR SIKH SISTERS BEING DRUGGED, RAPED, BEATEN AND USED FOR PROSTITUTION and claims that Sikh, Hindu and white girls from the ages of 13 to 22 are “being held against their will, drugged and gang raped” for the “pleasure” of Muslim extremists.

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There is no evidence on the site to support the claims and Singh Kaur, the group’s creator, provides no information about sources. But the group has attracted 2,900 members with nearly all of them young British Sikhs.
Dr Lewis said: "If there is a serious concern being raised then it’s a matter for the police. If there is not a case to be answered, people need to be prosecuted.

“It is pernicious rumour-mongering that needs to be exposed. It’s a form of slander. It is exacerbating relations between communities.”

He said the issue was not on the radar of religious groups in Bradford, one of the “hotspots” cited by the group.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said there was no evidence that such activity was taking place in London, another allegedly “affected area”.

One anti-racism activist urged people to either come forward with evidence or stop agitating.

Rob Deeks works for Aik Saath, a project that brings together Sikh, Muslim and Hindu youths from the Slough area, in Berkshire. It was set up after clashes between young people from different Asian communities.

He said: “Whoever is behind it is doing a good job of stirring up ill feeling. What’s more worrying is there are 3,000 people who believe these claims.”

The Facebook row is the latest salvo in an ongoing dispute between Hindu, Sikh and Muslim communities about forced or aggressive conversions.

Senior figures from Hindu and Sikh groups have accused Muslims of using underhand, sometimes violent, methods to convert girls to Islam. There has never been a formal investigation and there is no official complaint on record.

However one Sikh organisation said there was evidence of “heavy proselytising” on university campuses. Indarjit Singh, from the Network of Sikh Organisations, said: “The community is very concerned.”

My thoughts:

I have some close Indian friends, so it hurts me to see this, but it doesn’t surprise me in the least. For years Indian groups have spread lies about Muslims in the UK and Pakistanis in particular.

If you read the above article you will notice there has been no prosecution or evidence supporting these lies, but yet this group gets 3000 members willing to believe Muslims have been drugging and raping Sikh, Hindu and Christian girls.

As I said, this is nothing new, sadly. When I was at college years ago the Sikh students circulated a letter warning Indian girls that Pakistanis were wearing turbans and other Sikh symbols to attract Indian girls -this was complete BULLSH1T!

Very recently a Sikh girl in my area converted to Islam. She converted out of free choice however her family tracked down the Muslim family who gave her shelter and attacked their home. The family is currently planning on fleeing the country.

To make matters worse, the Sikhs held protests and marches claiming Muslims were FORCING their girls to convert to Islam. This is after ONE conversion by free choice, they then go on to claim that hundreds of girls are being forcibly converted!

I realise animosity exists between Indians, specifically Sikhs and Hindus and Muslims (Pakistanis to be specific), but the difference has generally been Pakistanis will try and address the problems face to face whereas the Indian groups will spread rumours and disinformation. Generally they try and influence white peoples’ thinking, trying to promote their (Indian) belief that Pakistanis and Muslims are thugs and criminals.

The truth is we, Indians and Pakistanis, are not very different at all. Although of course, we practice different faiths (I realise there is a large population of Muslims in India). What also saddened me in the past is that some Indian Muslims I met held negative views of Pakistanis also, often without any evidence, just general prejudiced thinking and views.

NOTICE- the above article mentions there is no evidence for the above claims of rape, yet the Indian/Sikh group they talk to at the end of the article ignores this and says there are issues with Muslim students on university campuses. This has nothing to do with the claims of rape and violence, they know that the facebook group is peddling lies yet they try and divert attention onto other issues.

The sad truth is that we should all be trying to live in peace and harmony.

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Instead of getting defensive, lets see you start a "stop pakistani hooligans from dealing drugs and raping girls" group.

Pakistanis are a big problem in the UK. Yes they deal drugs. Yes they rape "easy and impure" non-muslim girls. There was a whole special on the phenomenon on BBC a few years ago. Instead of getting all emotional and crying foul over a bunch of accusations (legitimate) you should grab a long hard wooden stick and beat some etiquette into them Pakistani boys.

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Your reading skills are a bit weak, it seems.

If these people had any basis in the truth, they would be able to cite at least one case bought to the UK courts.

The Guardian article states that community leaders, neutral ones, not just Pakistani people admit that there is no evidence to support these claims.

You claim the accusations are legitimate yet there is no evidence supporting these accusations.

You are quick to point the finger at Pakistanis. I know many Pakistani youthes are involved in shady activities but that doesn't make the majority of them rapists. Rape is a tragic crime, sadly committed by men of all backgrounds.

Last thing, you claim I'm on the defensive, whereas I would say I am responding to OFFENSIVE lies.

I'm not on the defensive, I'm on the side of truth. The truth can't be surpressed. If there was any cases of Pakistani youthes raping Indian girls, believe me the Indians would be marching on the streets and lynching Pakistanis. I gave an example of one Sikh girl converting to Islam of her own accord, and the violence and protests that led to by the Sikh community.

If these imaginary rapes had really happened, you would never hear the end about it in the mainstream media, there would be no need for a facebook group.

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sikhs and their over-active imaginations…:hehe:

hskhan : angoor khatay hain kia? :stuck_out_tongue: :halo:

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Looks like Sikhs are trying to jump on the post-9/11 anti-Muslim bandwagon by engaging in serious hyperbole.

Too bad the average white trash can't tell the difference between a Punjabi Sikh and an Indian Muslim. Losers.

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and what about these sikh and hindu (sikh cozza their pagri thing and hindus cozza that thing they have on their matha) pervs going around in their big white vans perving on muslim women?

even if they can see she’s wearing a hijaab why honk and smile at her?

they don’t even care if your with your parents…coz if i wasnt with my parent i would :aj::mad:

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Does Emmitt Till ring a bell to anyone?

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^ No. But Emmit Smith does.

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I'm going to say this bluntly, Sikh/Hindu girls in Britain are very very horny, so are Paki lads.

The two get together and do it like bunny rabbits, their motives are not political or racist or anything, they just want to have sex like young people do, the conservative (or racist) Sikh/Hindu families of these girls find out, these girls lie and make up stories for their parents that they were forced to save their honor, other Sikh girls have been rejected by their Paki boyfriends because Paki parents don't want a non-Paki daughter in law, the bitter girls makes more lies up about Pakis.

The Sikh parents use it as another stick to beat the Muslims with, it gives them another excuse to try and chummy up with the BNP for the arselicks that they are.

Nobody can force anyone in this country, don't blame Paki guys, keep an eye on your daughters and tell them to control their ****s.

No wonder Muslim lads become so marginalised and turn into extremists because everyone is uniting in their hatred for us.

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never a dull moment with brit poonjabis.

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Indians just want to spread sh*t about Pakis/Muslims everywhere they go, they try and paint bad image of Pakis in front of white people and I've seen that to be true for all Indian regardless of Sikhs, Keralites... A common enemy to beat-up saves their own arse from white ppl.

They hate us so much, go to any Indian site, or ABCD site, just go to a site like Jatt.com, type Paki and you'll see... Yet they have the cheek to accuse us of hating Indians and non-Muslims.

Paki lads do do drugs and they like to have sex (with anything that moves), other Pakis who are a completely different breed from them do preach to everyone (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) and lots of Sikh girls do embrace Islam but neither the sex nor the Islam is forced, this is a free country, nobody is forced, if they're forced they should point out the culprits and get them prosecuted, provide proof, ask the police for protection.

Indians are having a field day after the terrorism incidents, it's just made their job easier.

I know a few Sikh guys, some are arseholes but some of them are very decent but when I read stuff like this it's scary what's in their heart.

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yaar please don’t include us keralites with sikhs and other punjabi riffraff. we are educated, and love muslims, especially arabis. :snooty:

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You are Keralite? I shouldn’t generalise.

I just remembered I know a Orthodox Christian guy from Kerala, he’s quite decent.

I also know a Catholic guy from Kerala, he is a bstrd, I was talking about him when I mentioned Keralites, when he first came to this country I helped him with so much because his English was crap, I helped him with paying his bills, his paperwork, his MOT’s etc. because I thought of him as a fellow South-Asian and then he goes and chats sh*t about Pakistanis to te same Goras I introduced him to, “Paki bstrds all vant shoot in head”, my gora friend says every time “Muslim music” (azan-call to prayer) plays on the local Asian radio he smacks it off saying “BS, Muslim music”.. they say he calls me an exception when he criticises Pakis but that doesn’t make it any better, my religion/nationality is a big part of who I am.

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yaar i love your series of posts with various identities over the last few years on gup(shia, homo, pathan, punjabi, hazara) , but honestly, a punjabi helping a keralite with english? i dont buy it pal. =)

anyway, here's for future reference: when keralites say they are catholic, it most likely means syrian orthodox, not roman catholic.

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Kasam se I helped him out, not all Keralites are educated :snooty:, his wife has recently come to this country, she’s a nurse, her English is good though and she has pretty eyes.

I’m Pathan, Muslim and Punjabi, I’ve claimed to be those things because it’s true (changing a few details here and there in case my family is on here)… I’m also bi as well (I am what I am, can’t help it) and love it, I’ve not shagged a guy and don’t really plan on doing, but I’ve got a beloved, our relationship is platonic in the sense that we’re not physical but we kiss (mostly cheek), cuddle, I love it when he calls me babes, we don’t shag but it’s just cool belonging to someone and having someone who belongs to you, I think I love him, he’s well fit, he looks like a Hazara actually (half-Oriental/half-aryan looks), he’s aadha Angrez hai, aadha Cheeni… I’m glad you got me talking about him because topics like this thread give me high bp, it chills me out when I think about him, he’s also Catholic, but a decent Catholic.

I didn’t know South Indian Nasrani ppl claim to be Catholic, my other Keralite friend says he doesn’t really like Catholics, he doesn’t go to Church becuase they’re all Catholic or Protestant round here. I thought South Indian Orthodox ppl had a bit of bitter history with Catholics from Portugal so I had no idea they also claim to be Catholic..

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I've grown up with some very close Indian friends and I have a lot of respect for them.

However, when I see, from personal experience and examples such as this facebook group, the hatred for Muslims in a lot of Indian peoples' hearts, frankly it scares me.

A lot of the time their hate has no rooting in reality.

ST, I agree with quite a few of your points.

hskhan's reply surprised me, because if he lived here in the UK, he would know that a lot of Indian girls, white girls, etc are attracted to Pakistanis for various reasons. Seriously, young Pakistani men don't have to resort to rape, sadly maybe, sex is there for the taking................

Also, you made a very accurate statement-when the parents of these Indian girls find out their daughters have been involved with Pakistani boys they INSTANTLY assume their sweet, pure daughters have been drugged up and raped by Pakistani savages.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

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Ditto! Girls (or bi lads for that matter) can't turn down a bad boy, that's why Pakis are in high demand.. Indian guys are mostly "do-gooders/geeks" which doesn't turn girls on.

It's one of the reason everyone hates Pakis so much in this country because all the girls go after them.

Paki guys are just having fun, I don't know why people drag our religion and nationality into everything. I'm not religious but when people insult our religion/natiuonality unnecsarily it makes me more Muslim/Paki.

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I have known some girls who aren't attracted to the gangster stereotype, though, intelligence can be a very attractive quality.

I know of quite a few Indian youngsters trying to be thugs and gangsters, it's a shame.

Strangely enough, girls still seem prefer the Pakistanis men. Like you mentioned above though, some Pakistani men, if not most, would sleep with anything that breathes- they have very low standards.

All this worries me, if I am ever lucky enough to have children, I hope growing up in this country they don't sleep around like rabbits-and I mean that for any sons I may have either, not just daughters. Asians have double standards, their daughters must remain virginal and pure, but they have no problem with their sons having numerous girlfriends.

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Funny that isn't the case in Australia, since all the Lebanese Muslim guys there like to rape white girls on the basis of them being "Aussie pigs" and "sluts".

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and they are rotting in jails as a result