UK sailors captured at gunpoint

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UK sailors captured at gunpoint**
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Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says.**

The men were seized at 1030 local time when they boarded a boat in the Gulf, off the coast of Iraq, which they suspected was smuggling cars.
The Royal Navy said the men, who were on a routine patrol in Iraqi waters, were understood to be unharmed.
The Foreign Office has demanded the immediate and safe return of the men, who are based on HMS Cornwall.
That vessel’s commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he was hoping there had been a “simple mistake” over territorial waters.
"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they [British personnel] were in Iraqi territorial waters. Equally, the Iranians may claim they were in Iranian waters.

“I hope we find this is a simple misunderstanding at the tactical level.”
Helicopters had reported seeing two British boats being moved to Iranian bases and there had been no evidence of fighting, he added.
He said that despite scant communication, the 15 people were understood to be safe and had reacted in an “extremely professional way, in line with the rules of engagement”.
“I look forward to seeing them on their return and congratulating them.”
He said naval authorities were doing everything possible to ensure their safe return.
The Ministry of Defence said: "The group boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.

"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level.
“The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment.”
Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett has summoned the Iranian ambassador in London to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, in an attempt to get the men released as quickly as possible.

In a statement, leader of the Liberal Democrats, Sir Menzies Campbell, also called for their immediate release.
“Whatever the rights and wrongs of military action, British forces in Iraq are now there with the authority of a UN security council resolution… and the Iranian government should be left in no doubt of the serious implications of their action,” he said.
The incident comes as British Army Colonel Justin Masherevski, who is based in Iraq, says most of the violence against UK forces in Basra is being engineered by Iranian elements.
Col Masherevski said Iran was providing “sophisticated weaponry” to insurgents and “Iranian agents” were paying local men to attack British troops.
In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.
The UK claimed the men were “forcibly escorted” into Iranian territorial waters.
While they were being held, the men were paraded blindfold and made to apologise on Iranian TV before their release was agreed.
The BBC’s diplomatic correspondent James Robbins said the difference this time, and a cause of concern, is that the present Iranian government under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was much more hardline.
“The political climate is worse with Britain among those confronting Iran over its controversial nuclear programme,” he added.

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Nice, the infinitely reasonable Iranians. Don't they have a history with hostages? I say send in 300 Spartans and get rid of the entire Revolutionary Guard.

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hahahaha OG, shut up oye... u piss these guys and their cronies off and people may not be able to enjoy KFC in their local commercial areas...

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This is no big deal. Remember, they Iranians captured british sailors last year on the Shatt Al-Arab waterway too. They were released within a couple of days, I'm sure that this will happen in this case too.

I believe that Iraq and Iran never fully agreed on where their water boundaries lay. The coalition operates within the area Iraq claims, which overlaps with historical Iranian claims.

The sailors captured last year were held for 8 days and treated well throughout. There's no reason to suppose that anything different will happen this time.

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^^ u just poured a bucket of cold water on OG's hard on.. he's salivating for war.. and this could have been the ticket..

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I would not go that far bro

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Compared to how Iranians get treated by their security forces... the Brits were well treated. Relatively speaking, of course...

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The Iranian Revolutionary Navy, capturing two rubber dingys, ooooohhhh!

Wonder if President Nutjob would like some of his delegation going to the UN to be detained and rendered to the Brits. Or perhaps the Brits should just start blowing the Iranian boats out of the water next time. This is petty BS, the Iranians could have just run them out of the area if they think that their territorial are has been invaded.

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seems like pretty standard protocol. anytime foreign military personnel are found in your waters you have to take them in to make sure they werent upto something.

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Why leave them without investigating? UN premises is not the same as trespassing a sovereign country's boundaries (even if they are disputed).

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If they are disputed, (even though a signed treaty in 1975 makes it Iraq territory), then perhaps the Brits should be the ones detaining the Iranians.

Or maybe the next time they should put 15 Spartans in those rubber dingies and see how big and bad the Revolutionary Guard really is.

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go sparta go!

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Don't forget the Spartans all die in the end.

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Ravage my friend, standard protocols and procedures are what's followed by countries which recognise them...Taking off passengers from flights, detaining them for indefinite periods of time for simply praying or speaking a different language, Abu Ghraib, attacks and invasion without due reason are standard protocols for some...

While sticking to the conventions of warfare or international territorial disputes as outlined in agreements and treaties may be non-standard for them...

Kudos from me of course, to the Iranian authorities for recognising and implementing proper and precise procedures to handle such an incident and carry it out efficiently and officially, especially in the turbulent times it is facing...Respect to them for respecting the rules and protocols as stated in the internationally recognised rules of engagement...

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Kudos from you? hahahahaha

Why don’t you go live under the Iranian Authorities Lajjy? Here is what the Iranian Authorities so properly did the last time:

He said they were given food and water, but told of a terrifying mock execution they were subjected to in the desert. “We were in our cell, then we were moved out on to transport, blindfolded, driven around,” he said. "Then we got off, still blindfolded, told not to do anything or say anything. Told to put our hands on our heads then on the shoulders of the guy in front. "We walked slowly into the desert and down into a ditch where we stood and waited to see what would happen. “Thankfully they didn’t fire. We didn’t know what was going to happen. We thought there was a good chance we could have been shot then.”

Yup, these guys follow all the rules. The next time an Iranian boat approaches international personnel in dingys, there will be shooting. The Iranian “Navy” is about 12 good boats, and a rag tag flotilla of crap. Satellites know where every one of those missile boats is sitting. The next time this happens there will be some Iranian litter on the bottom of the gulf. Do not mess with the British Navy. The Brits have been very patient, but do not expect there to be a third incident like this. The Iranians are due for a slapping.

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Oh my...Such tales of horror...Subjected to mock execution...The mental and psychological toll taken by this must have so tortured them, that they would have to be dropped into Iraq and shoot little Iraqi girls at point blank range just dissipate their PTSD...Dear dear...So long without tea and biscuits, the poor dearies will be suffering for a long time to come...

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Yup, these guys follow all the rules. The next time an Iranian boat approaches international personnel in dingys, there will be shooting. The Iranian "Navy" is about 12 good boats, and a rag tag flotilla of crap. Satellites know where every one of those missile boats is sitting. The next time this happens there will be some Iranian litter on the bottom of the gulf. Do not mess with the British Navy. The Brits have been very patient, but do not expect there to be a third incident like this. The Iranians are due for a slapping.
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Could any sentence be more indicative of the playground bully mentality? I can take your food, I can take your backpack, I can look inside your locker and there's nothing you can do about it because I am bigger and stronger than you...

Well, I am sure you have been in school and faced some bullies and I am sure you know what to do when a bully bullies...You get together a few friends and face the bully...Because the only way to suppress a bully is to face the bully...

And there are times when a bully is not always strong...That's when the shoe is on the other foot...Then the bully gets his due share of what he meted out to others...

The Iranians handled the situation like any civilized country should...With textbook precision and rules...Kudos again...

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Where is the consuming outrage you demonstrated over Abu Ghraib? You preached how the US showed their moral corruptness over isolated prison abuses, but Iran can do crap like this yet be acting like any civilized country should...With textbook precision and rules...

Kudos to you for not being shy to demonstrate your hypocrisy.

No one taking Iran's lunch money. They are the the 6th grade bully trying act out in high school. President nutjob and the looney ayatollahs have yet to get their due. This little dingy excursion 'into their terrirtory' is hardly the locker room wedgie that is sure to come.

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haha. A "comic book" response!
Do you guys really believe in such lies? I believe so. Monkey Administration just proved this.

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I don't see any pyramids of naked prisoners...Do you? I don't see prisoners being threatened to be shocked to death...Do you? I don't see rapes, summary executions, indiscriminate bombings, shelling, chemical weapons, do you?

And when was the last time you showed any outrage over Abu Ghraib, the epitome of prisoner abuse and torture in the modern history of the world...

You were all so mum about it, weren't you...

If an Iranian boat was caught in American waters, it would have been blown to bits without any questions asked, if not the POWs from that boat would have been made to parade naked and then made pyramids out of...

So keep your moral indignation to yourself...It's like Hitler preaching world peace in the grounds of Auschwitz...