UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2005-09/19/article08.shtml
Four Church of England bishops offered Monday, September 19, that the Church takes the lead in reconciling with UK Muslims by apologizing to their leaders for the US-led war in Iraq if the British government fails to do so.
Better late than never, now go tell the Iraqis..hold a séance!
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I have great respect for Catholics and Episcopalians (Church of England).
However, the civilized world must confront the Red neck facist Evangelical Nazis from the bible belt in America.
America must Apologize to the world for genocide of native americans, slavery and lynching of blacks, the concentration camps of Japanies Americans, war on iraq and the support of dictators in other countries.
The criminal redneck Republicans must apologize for their crimes.
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Still waiting on East Pakistan in 1971 too!
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Dude you can hold your own,
so I m going to sit back and let the nationalists respond
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The Church hmm oh well at least they have a conscience.
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The church of England is Protestant not catholic as someone pointed out earlier. Also the church never endorsed the war, was infact against it so really has no reason to apologise and nor shoud this be taken as a sign the church played a part in the war. As It's a secular country the church doesn not play a part in governence.
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Am also waiting for the apology for Kargil !!!
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apology for kargil why would pakistan apologize for kicking indias butt in kargil?
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The Native American’s, African-American’s and Vietnamese are still waiting for you to apologize, then the Camodian’s, Somali’s, Iraqi’s etc.
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Mr. Ohioguy, I'm from Bangladesh and I've witnessed President Musharraf offering official apology for what happened in 1971 and as far as Bangladeshis are concerned the apology has ben accepted. However, nothing (not even what Hitler did because in the end Hitler was defeated)comes even close to what the Americans have been doing for the last two hundred years. So, don't think that just by referring to the unfortunate incidents of 1971 to some Pakistanis would cover up the heinous crimes committed by the Americans. Don't forget that the present day Americans are living in a stolen piece of land. The actual owners of the land live in reservation camps built by the so-called champions of human rights. After that there is a long list of other crimes and the most recent one is the persecution of the Muslims in the name of fighting terrorism. I would also like to remind you that what the CIA has been doing all over the world (political assassinations, training right-wing terrorists, supporting despots)for the last sixty years is another form of terrorism.
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^^ That is all well and good, but the generals responsible for 1971 have never been indicted, and until it was published in the Indian press a few years ago, the whitewash report on East Pakistan was never even released to the public. If this was the US you would scream bloody murder for an independent investigation. All the Generals who killed millions (who really knows?) are sitting comfortably in retirement. The Jews at least demanded some justice from the Germans.
Consider for one minute, a slightly different view of the US. Without US intervention, most of the Pacific would be under Japanese domination. Most of Europe would be under German domination. And most of all, how did Muslims fare under the Soviets? Have you ever read about the horrors of Lenin and Stalin? No my young friend, they make todays world look sweet and rosy. How about Mao? Ever look at the deaths from communist "reforms" in agriculture that starved millions? The vast majority of "dictators" supported by the US were supported during the cold war, when either we supported them of the Russians did.
What kills more Muslims than anything else? AK-47s. Millions of them. The Russians and Chinese sold more weapons to more Muslims dictators in a ratio of perhaps 10 to one versus the United States. The AK-47 is far more likely to kill any given Muslim than any other violent cause. Yet you never question how this happens.
Ask 20 countries of Eastern Europe if they are better off free from Communism. Who do they thank? The US. Did we occupy them? Steal their resources? Impose dictators? How about Germany, a defeated foe? Doing well? How about Japan, another defeated foe, now one of our biggest trading partners?
While you spout some leftist view of the world today with the US as the greatest evil in the world, you are completely and totally ignorant of the horrors that the United States has confronted, and saved the world from. While you look down a soda straw at things you don't like, you ignore the context of the world where those things took place. Without the US confronting Communism, German Facists and Imperial Japan, the world would be a far darker place. The fact that a younger generation has no perception of how bad these times were is testimony to our success. Do yourself a favor, quit reading Chomsky and read a biography of Stalin. Then you will know horror.
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In America they have statues and memorials to generals who slaughtered Native American’s, and those who ordered the bombing and killings of millions of Vietnamese have reached the highest positions of power.
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Reza, how do Muslims fare under Communism? Do a brief search of your brain for treatment of the the Afghans and the Chechans under the communists.
Vietnam? I was a year from being drafted to go to Vietnam, please do not pretend to use Vietnam to prove your point. But Vietnam was not an isolated incident. Korea, Cuba, Latin America, Egypt, Saddam, Eastern Europe, the thing you are missing is that Communism was bent on World Domination.
Let that sink in a little, World Domination.
The US confronted communism where ever it was spreading. And believe it or not the world is better because communism was confronted and defeated. Muslims are better off that the Godless Soviets do not control the world. You young ones have no perception of how the world could have been had it not been for America.
But carry on with your little rants, it's a free world. (and you are not in a Gulag).
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Mr. Ohioguy, has anyone been indicted for stealing the land of the native indians? Talking of horror I should say the greatest horror is the US hypocrisy, be it in the name of democracy, be it in the name of human rights and be it in the name of decency. No other country screams about these issues louder than the US and its allies therefore it is only natural that the world expects that these countries should stick to the principles of democracy, equality and human rights at any cost. But in reality these countries (the US and its allies)have been supporting some of the most brutal despots, these countries have come up with the discriminatory UN charter, these countries flout the rights of the minorities in their own countries(the notorious Patriot Act is one example of that), these countries boast the presense of terrorist organizations like the KKK and neo nazi movement and then these countries have the audacity to preach democracy, justice, human rights and tolerance to rest of the world. These western countries have become like that stupid king who was told that he was wearing the most beautiful garment and only the most intelligent person could see it when he was actually walking stark naked out in public.
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Whenever you are asked about the annihilation of the real owners of America you start talking of communism, why is that Mr. Ohioguy ? Is it because you are too ashamed to face your countries dirty past ? Do you think the world does not know how the US was founded ? Would you plase tell us why you are avoiding that fact ?
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The likes of General Custer and other American’s killed millions of Native American’s to save the world from communism?
Ask the families of the 3 million dead Vietnamese, how they feel about America and it’s liberating principles.
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First, no doubt about the fact that White European Settlers (running from Religious persecution mind you) displaced Native Americans. They killed a lot of them too. What do you want, some apology for that? Sorry, the world is a tough place. But the populating of North America was not a movement of Political Dominion. The vast majority of Native American deaths were due to Small Pox. Read Guns Germs and Steel:
So I’ll tell you what, if Canada and Mexico, and Brazil give back their countries, we will!
Now you may live in some delusion that Pakistan was not formed by migrating people who fought over ancient land, but the earth was pretty much settled the same way, it is just a matter of your time frame…
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So Mr. Ohioguy, as I was saying, only those people can talk about democracy, human rights, justice and tolerance, who live up to these ideals at all times. Those who talk about these only when these ideas are convenient for them, have no right to talk about these.
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Mr. Ohioguy, Mexico and Brazil don't claim to be the champions of human rights, you do, so why should you wait for those countries to give back human rights of the native indians ? You are the one who monitors the human rights violations of other countries, you are the one who prepares reports on human rights violations by other countries every year, therefore you should set the example. Like you I wouldn't say the world is a tough place, I would rather say it is a wicked world and for most part it is your country which has made it that way for protecting your unscrupulous interests.
