Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Yeah sure, have another cup of latte. Your coffee house theories are neither original nor amusing.
Here is the bottom line. The world would be a freakin' mess without the US. You may choose to dwell on the negatives, and there have been more than a few mistakes. We supported dictators, supported proxy wars against communists (and how would Pakistan feel with a Soviet Proxy State next door in Afghanistan?). But you are ignorant in the extreme if you ignore the fact that huge portions of the world are infinitely better off beacuse they were defended or freed by the United States. The world economy is infinitely better because of the dynamism of the US economy.
I look around and I do not see a SINGLE Muslim country with an admirable Government, yet you all behave as if you are experts at enlightened Governance. You go to Western countries that were either saved or liberated by the US, and you declare yourself experts at Global fair play. Obnoxious know-it-all critics are really pretty amusing.... go ahead and regurgitate your self-righteous critique, and your fashionable coffee shop blather, breathe the free air.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Mr. Ohioguy, you don't see a Muslim country with good government and you tell me which country has installed those despots, the answer is the US or some other western country like the UK. who is protecting those despots in the name of secularism or in the name of fighting terrorism, the answer is the US and its allies. All you can say is that world would have been this or that if the US was not there but you don't have the balls to answer any question. You can't because you think hypocrisy is a great virtue. A person with a criminal record can be forgiven but he just can't sit as a judge, your country is judging others with a hideous past of its own, do you get my point ?
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Mr. Ohioguy, you don't see a Muslim country with good government and you tell me which country has installed those despots, the answer is the US or some other western country like the UK. who is protecting those despots in the name of secularism or in the name of fighting terrorism, the answer is the US and its allies. All you can say is that world would have been this or that if the US was not there but you don't have the balls to answer any question. You can't because you think hypocrisy is a great virtue. A person with a criminal record can be forgiven but he just can't sit as a judge, your country is judging others with a hideous past of its own, do you get my point ? Your country just don't qualify to be a great nation, so don't brag. There are many other countries with much brilliant history yet they don't brag about it, but you do, I guess it's a question of lack of shame.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Did these countries with 'much brilliant history' save your butt from communism, totalinarism, imperialism or nazism or are they brilliant because of their cultural contributions? Please enlighten us to these countries without a 'criminal record'. And then tell us how they contributed to the march toward freedom that has occurred over the past 100 years. Are they responsible for the growth of 5 democracies to over 100 in that time frame? No, the US isn't perfect. No, all their policies are not altruistic. But you must be living in some fairy land if you expect any different. Instead of the same mantra of "US is responsible for Muslim despots", take some responsibility for yourself, especially in light of your propensity to accuse others of hypocrisy.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
^^ Nasir,
So EVERYWHERE there are 1.2 BILLION Muslims, those Muslims have NO control, and bear NO responsibility for their governments? Are you that pathetic? Or do you just need a convenient excuse?
Muslims outnumber the US four to one, yet we are such efficient puppet masters that we have ruined the entire Muslim world? Oh, let's not forget the Jews help us too. Never mind the fact that there are more Muslims in Karachi than there are Jews in the entire world! (that is a fact).
Yet despite the fact that most Muslim Governments are rife with corruption, rights abuses (yes our reports are correct), brutality, dictators, illiteracy and poverty, you spend you time critiqueing the US. Well, I guess that is certainly easier than actually solving the above mentioned problems. So long as you can blame the US, there is a ready excuse as to why the Muslim world is failing.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
what is wrong is wrong, there is no need to shy away from admitting errors, and weaknesses. whether the wrongs are outweighed by the rights, or whether other nations had more wrongs does not matter. The reasons do not matter. Justifications, misdirections and tangents are not the right thing to do.
There should be no problem admitting that there were low points in our history where things were done which were not right. No country is unique in that respect, everyone has had low points in its history. Using the weaknesses and errors of another one to shelter our own weaknesses and errors is avoiding the question.
Maybe its the pot calling the kettle black..sure..but it does not change the fact that both the pot and the kettle are black :)
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Mr. seminol and Ohioguy, the issue here is not who saved whose butt, the issue is democracy, human rights, justice and tolerance. You people preach all these to the world yet you don't sincerely parctise it yourselves. You should sincerely practise what you preach to others or else people will call you fraud and for good reason. If you say the US has good reason to flout human rights, conspire against the democratic movements, promote inequalities then I would say others have even better reasons to do so. So, in the end saving butt is nothing but an excuse. The only thing you can say now is that you are the chosen people of God so somehow you have the right to flout human rights, conspire against democratic movements, promote inqualities and at the same time claim to be the champions of these lofty ideas. You deserve some extra privileges just as you enjoy over the blacks in your country. This is the bottom line you are trying to convey but it is so hideous that you cannot admit it publicly; the world knows your bottom line only too well.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Whatever else the US has done, they have been the champion of human rights and democracy over the past 100 years. Your short sighted and limited view of history indicates you either haven't read history or are just too biased to see the truth. The bottom line is that the US is more responsible for spreading democracy, human rights, justice and tolerance than any other entity. I'm sorry the US isn't perfect. Why don't you take your perfect belief system and do something about it yourself?
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
So Mr Nasir,
Not telling where you live?
And yes the issue is who saved each others butt. The freedoms enjoyed in the world today involved a lot of American blood shed for the freedoms of others. Foes like the Communists, Japanese, and Nazis did not go quietly into the night. You are full of this currenty fashionable litany of complaints about the US, but you cannot acknowledge the good?
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Let the world see who is biased, who has a limited view of history. I guess I was wrong to say that you decimated the native indians, after all if that had not happened how could your great nation emerge. Very enlightened view indeed. Go ahead, keep on preaching from a bar stool, I'm sure the world is going to love you for that.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
And you keep preaching from from your high school soap box. While you are quick to say we can't acknowledge the bad in US policy, you are unable to acknowledge the good. Enlightenment indeed.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
Seems like Nasir can't answer a straight question either. We may have to send these kiddies to cult deprogramming to get them to understand that they owe a great deal of their lives and liberties to the US. Never mind a thank you, just getting them to shut up would be nice....
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
I just got off the phone with Vice President Cheney. I've been talking to him about how upset the democratic nation of Pakistan is with the way we treated the native american indians 2 and 3 centuries ago.
They both agreed that something must be done.
So on behalf of the US I have been authorized to say the following.
Re: UK Church Offers Apology for Iraq War - About time too!
//Listen boy(ohioguy), it is you who does the dirty work of brainwashing.//
And I really salute the power of brainwashing!!!
Nasir These people are just plain brainwashed.. They only know to speak the truth.
Let us live in our make believe world and understand that ignorance is bliss. What do these guys know anyway..
