U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

[vroom]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@mercenary2k

^^ or also the fact that India could have taken the opportunity to sieze azad kashmir from us

YOUR JOKING, RIGHT?
what knowledge do you posses on azad kashmir?
do you know how strongly azad kashmiris would oppose any indian/hindu/sikh/christian coming in without an invite!
even in the context of other wars going on its beyond imagination.

[mercenary2k]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

yes they will resist but India could have very well taken that territory from Pakistan

[Sa1eem]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

Question is not about fighting USA, but question is, for what?

If USA attacks Pakistan, Pakistan will defend by all means, but that does not mean inviting such attack for something unworthy and immaterial like Taliban.

As for Taliban, best Musharraf did was left them on Allah. It seems Allah sent USA as Qahar-e-ilahi on Taliban that made tora-bora of them Taliban. That qahar-e-ilahi could have fallen on Pakistan too but Allah gave hadayah to Musharraf that saved Pakistan from that Qahar-e-ilahi that fell on Taliban and later on Iraq.

Just imaging, if such war happens, American forces would not even put their foot on Pakistan soil but would just going to blockade Pakistan trade as they would control sea around us (no oils, no medicines, no military equipments or any essentials Pakistan needs from import), put sanctions on all goods to Pakistan and would rely on heavy bombing. Pakistan attack would be different from Afghanistan or Iraq, as American need to change regime would not going to be a desire but USA purpose would be just to destroy Pakistan as a nation.

Such war would be only one sided. American missiles would be hitting Pakistan from Saudi Arabia and sea around Pakistan (from American ships) and bombs from bombers flying sky-high over Pakistan, while Pakistanis would be dying in masses. Meanwhile some pathetic Pakistanis and other so-called sympathisers sitting safely in their western countries (some even in USA) would be watching Pakistani miseries on TV doing drawing room talking that how evil USA is (as they do referring to Iraqi miseries and USA action there).

Obviously, Pakistan has no means to defend themselves from such attacks (Pakistan makes little defence materials for such attacks. There is no comparison as technologically very advanced USA spends over 500 billion dollars directly (1000 billion dollars directly and indirectly) on defence every year whereas underdeveloped Pakistan spends less than 4 billion dollars a year on defence.

If west just stops all military supply to Pakistan and liberally start supplying military supply to India (India spends around 25 billion dollars a year on defence), the imbalance would be such that it would become impossible to defend Pakistan even from India.

[Note: Most of Pakistani military equipments are American made (even western European made equipments are prone to American influences) and even sanctions on spare parts can heavily deteriorate Pakistan military capability].

[Different]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@Sa1eem

Question is not about fighting USA, but question is, for what?

If USA attacks Pakistan, Pakistan will defend by all means, but that does not mean inviting such attack for something unworthy and immaterial like Taliban.

As for Taliban, best Musharraf did was left them on Allah. It seems Allah sent USA as Qahar-e-ilahi on Taliban that made tora-bora of them Taliban. That qahar-e-ilahi could have fallen on Pakistan too but Allah gave hadayah to Musharraf that saved Pakistan from that Qahar-e-ilahi that fell on Taliban and later on Iraq.

Just imaging, if such war happens, American forces would not even put their foot on Pakistan soil but would just going to blockade Pakistan trade as they would control sea around us (no oils, no medicines, no military equipments or any essentials Pakistan needs from import), put sanctions on all goods to Pakistan and would rely on heavy bombing. Pakistan attack would be different from Afghanistan or Iraq, as American need to change regime would not going to be a desire but USA purpose would be just to destroy Pakistan as a nation.

Such war would be only one sided. American missiles would be hitting Pakistan from Saudi Arabia and sea around Pakistan (from American ships) and bombs from bombers flying sky-high over Pakistan, while Pakistanis would be dying in masses. Meanwhile some pathetic Pakistanis and other so-called sympathisers sitting safely in their western countries (some even in USA) would be watching Pakistani miseries on TV doing drawing room talking that how evil USA is (as they do referring to Iraqi miseries and USA action there).

Obviously, Pakistan has no means to defend themselves from such attacks (Pakistan makes little defence materials for such attacks. There is no comparison as technologically very advanced USA spends over 500 billion dollars directly (1000 billion dollars directly and indirectly) on defence every year whereas underdeveloped Pakistan spends less than 4 billion dollars a year on defence.

If west just stops all military supply to Pakistan and liberally start supplying military supply to India (India spends around 25 billion dollars a year on defence), the imbalance would be such that it would become impossible to defend Pakistan even from India.

[Note: Most of Pakistani military equipments are American made (even western European made equipments are prone to American influences) and even sanctions on spare parts can heavily deteriorate Pakistan military capability].

and u r mufti who?

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

in self defense one of the most important lessons is how to not get in a fight :) in martial arts one of the most important lesson is how to avoid using your abilities and skills.

[Different]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@TUMS

you are right that we must trust in God but that doesn’t mean a suicidal trust against logic. God has given us minds to use and not using our thought would be rejecting His favor. The Taleban did not reflect Pakistani values and were a bad gamble.

Allah has also given us clear guidance on what path to choose under certain circumstances, and where we have clear guidance, not choosing His Path is considered to be rejecting, not only His Favor but also rejecting that He & only He is to Be obeyed.

And by the way what are Pakistani values anyway? What percentage of those values would be considered Islamic?

[Sa1eem]

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^^^
Well, at least Pakistan has a ruler that Allah loves and gives Hadayeh that saved Pakistan from Azaab-e-illahi that Allah sent for Taliban sinful rulers. So, whatever values, there are some good Pakistanis because of whom Pakistan is save from Azab-e-illahi and now prospering.

*.

Such a pious decision by ameer-ul-momineen-e-Pakistan Musharaf based on the belief that:
‘If Allah is with Taliban, nothing would happen to them and they do not need any Pakistani help, but if Allah is not with them, nothing could save them and thus it is best to keep Pakistan away from Azaab that came for them Taliban sinful government’. That means head (Allah is with Taliban) Pakistan wins and tail (Allah is against Taliban) Pakistan wins.

I believe such a beautiful and pious thought can only come to someone close to Allah, as certainly Musharaf is. (anyone likes it or not) :)*

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@vroom

i dont know about helping usa carpet bomb afghanistan like that but anti terror stance is good and the right thing to do.

this is all to sell his new book!

Point taken & the only point in this revelation by President Pervaiz Musharraf.

[system]

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@Ohioguy

Are you kidding? This gives Mushy an out. It's not his fault, his arm was twisted. Taking out a few key Ports and Powerplants would have set back Pakistan decades. So now Mushy has an excuse. ...

I do remember Uncle Sam saying just days after 11th September that they would take out Pakistan's nuclear infrastructre if Pakistan didn't co-operate.

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@mercenary2k

Thats because the entire Islamic and Arab world is supporting Lebanon along with many other 3rd world countries

Who the hell was going to support Pakistan and especially after 9/11?

The Arabs didnt help us out when we tested our nukes in 1998 and our economy tanked...

Saudis gave us free oil. :D

[system]

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@picoico

Agreed. In this sense, Musharraf had little choice, and did the humane thing for his countrymen. Happily, with this in mind he played his card very well, and actually managed to milk the cow in the process.

It does also, once and for all, rests the case (as you so say) that America is somehow an 'ally', or the two have some mutual understanding.

:D :D :D

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@mercenary2k

When did I say that USA is a good ally of Pakistan.

USA has interests and needs and currently it has interests and needs from Pakistan

So as long as Bin Laden company continue to be on the run, the need for Pakistan will continue and Pakistan will prosper

Pakistan needs to cross an economic and financial threshold after which even if USA withdraws we are still able to sustain our economic growth

right now its being powered by US financial aid, when we are able to sustain growth on our own, we can give bin laden to usa

Nicely said. Just the sort of things I think of. Pakistan must use & grab all that Uncle Sam has to offer.

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@picoico

Few ports and powerplants? You're wrecked. Those would be fixed in months...Pakistan does not (unlike her Arab counterparts) rely on the West for most of it's industrial know-how, so it's unlikely any kind of sanction (which France and China would not participate in due to investments and projects on Pak soil) would have any kind of long term impact. ...

Pakistan has managed to afford only 2 nuclear reactors in the course of it's 59 year history.

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@mercenary2k

^^ Exactly,

India even openly said that USA could use bases in India to attack Afghanistan

India was pressing USA to declare Pakistan a state sponsor of Terrorism

That would have placed us under sanctions and that would have totally destroyed our economy and for what, for Afghanistan?

Unlike Syria or Iran who are also called State sponsor of terrorism, Iran has Oil which it can sell and support its economy and where as Syria has the Arab World to help it out

Who was going to help out Pakistan in its dire needs?

Some Pakistanis are so stupid that they dont look at the bigger picture

Musharraf by supporting USA in Afghanistan has brought economic prosperity to Pakistan, improved our standing in the world, made us into a non-nato Ally, etc..

Musharraf has been one of our best leaders in Pakistani History

Sab Teek Bola.

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@Mal1k

Allah ki zaat se bara koi nahin. We should place our complete faith in Allah first.

I fail to understand how could we have been bombed back to zero, when we boast of such a good army, air force, & navy. Are they only there to party & booze off, & when national protection is the need of the hour, you just take off your shalwar & ask the US president to come hump us...???

The US was never a friend of Pakistan, & definitely never will be. This just shows, what lengths they are ready to go, if it is in the interest of US population.

Pakistan's armed forces are only there to rival against Hindustan. Hindustan has been our only enemy for the last 59 years.

Pakistani Armed Forces are not in any way capable of taking on any of the bigger powers like Uncle Sam, Russia, China, etc. simply because.... no other threat has been forseen!

[system]

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@Captain1

and what makes you think Musharraf will "stay in power"? for some I reason I see another "aur jahaaz hawa mai pat gaya" coming soon.

And no, it won't be the Americans as Pakistanis usually like to blame. It'll be likely the Afghans (like last time) or the Baloch.

[system]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@Captain1

Is he also going to reveal the "To-Do" list which was given to him when he grabbed the power in Oct 1999 coup? I doubt.

so why is Pakistan blamed if Taliban/Al-CIAda fled to Pakistan?

Uncle Sam took it's time to arrive in Pakistan.

[Prince_Abbas]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@Pakistani Dragon

Sab Teek Bola.

Not really. Syria hardly has any Arab support.

[Prince_Abbas]

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

@mercenary2k

That would be the case if countries can afford to spend billions upon billions on their military. But the problem is besides NATO, other militaries are designed to fight selective enemies.

For example, Egypt’s Military is solely designed to fight Israel where as Israel’s massive fleet of APC (Armored Personnel Carriers) is designed to move troops from multiple battlefields. Israel’s Navy is very weak, so its not designed to fight the British Navy or Japanese Navy.

Pakistan has major threat from Bharat. And so most of Pakistan’s preparations are against Bharat-Mata. It is like all the countries you have quoted above.
But this does not mean that Pakistan army will sit in barracks while any country besides Bharat-Mata attack on Pakistan’s soil.

Why is this simple fact so hard to understand?

[Prince_Abbas]

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@Khehkeshan

What world do you people live in? Pakistan going to war against America would be a colossal failure for us. Just look at how Pak army is struggling in Waziristan and Balochistan, which is supposedly our own country!

And if war comes to Pakistan, this will not be a war like in Afghanistan or Iraq. America would never want to do “nation-building” in a country like Pakistan with a 150 million diverse population. They know that if they cannot do it in Iraq, they would never be able to do it in Pakistan. This will be total war like in WWII since we have nuclear weapons and Americans will try eradicating our entire infrastructure to stop us from using nukes.

And where did I say that Pakistan should attack America? No. War is not in our interest at the moment. Not even with Bharat-Mata, let alone America. Pakistan should do absolutely everything it can to avoid any such war. Right now Pakistan needs to improve its economy.
But there are certain things which can not be compromised. Like Pakistan’s sovereignty. While Pakistan must do everything it can to rid Quaida and its affiliates, it should let itself taken for granted by the Monkey Administration.