U.S.-Taliban Peace Talks Reportedly Begin

They should have done this in 2003.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/world/asia/taliban-have-begun-talks-with-us-former-taliban-aides-say.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Former Taliban Officials Say U.S. Talks Started
By ALISSA J. RUBIN
Published: January 28, 2012

KABUL, Afghanistan — Several Taliban negotiators have begun meeting with American officials in Qatar, where they are discussing preliminary trust-building measures, including a possible prisoner transfer, several former Taliban officials said Saturday.

The former officials said that four to eight Taliban representatives had traveled to Qatar from Pakistan to set up a political office for the exiled Afghan insurgent group.

The comments suggested that the Taliban, who have not publicly said they would engage in peace talks to end the war in Afghanistan, were gearing up for preliminary discussions.

American officials would not deny that meetings had taken place, and the discussions seemed to have at least the tacit approval of Pakistan, which has thwarted previous efforts by the Taliban to engage in talks.

The Afghan government, which was initially angry that it had been left out, has accepted the talks in principle but is not directly involved, a potential snag in what could be a historic development.

The former Taliban officials, interviewed Saturday in Kabul, were careful not to call the discussions peace talks.

“Currently there are no peace talks going on,” said Maulavi Qalamuddin, the former minister of vice and virtue for the Taliban who is now a member of the High Peace Council here. “The only thing is the negotiations over release of Taliban prisoners from Guantánamo, which is still under discussion between both sides in Qatar. We also want to strengthen the talks so we can create an environment of trust for further talks in the future.”

The State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland has said only that Marc Grossman, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, had “a number of meetings” related to Afghanistan when he visited Qatar last week.

The Taliban’s announcement this month that they would open an office in Qatar, which could allow for direct negotiations, drew fire from some Afghan factions as well as some American policy makers, who fear the insurgents would use negotiations as a ploy to gain legitimacy and then continue their efforts to reimpose an extremist Islamic state in Afghanistan.

Mr. Grossman, at a news conference in Kabul last week, said that real peace talks could begin only after the Taliban renounced international terrorism and agreed to support a peace process to end the armed conflict.

The Afghan government and the Qataris must also come to an agreement on the terms under which the Taliban will have an office. Mr. Grossman has been regularly briefing the Afghan government but Afghan officials have complained that they were being kept out of the loop.

The Taliban officials now in Doha, Qatar, include a former secretary to the Taliban’s leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, as well as several former officials of the Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, according to Mr. Qalamuddin and Arsala Rahmani, a former Taliban minister of higher education.

The former Taliban officials here described fairly advanced discussions in Qatar about the transfer of prisoners. One former official, Syed Muhammad Akbar Agha, who had been a Taliban military commander, said that five Taliban prisoners were to be transferred in two phases, two or three in one group and then the remainder.

There has also been discussion in Qatar of removing some Taliban members from NATO’s “kill or capture” lists, the former Taliban officials said.

Mr. Grossman, in his comments last week, played down talk of detainee releases, saying the United States had not yet decided on the issue. “This is an issue of United States law first of all, that we have to meet the requirements of our law,” he said.

He said the Obama administration would also consult with Congress. Under American law, the defense secretary must certify to Congress that the transfer of any Guantánamo prisoner to a foreign country would meet certain requirements, including that the country maintains control over its prisons and will not allow a transferred detainee to become a future threat to the United States.

If any detainees were released, Western and Afghan officials said, they would likely be transferred to Qatar and held there, perhaps under house arrest.

The former Taliban officials said that they were most surprised by Pakistan’s decision to allow the Taliban delegates to obtain travel documents and board a plane to Qatar. The former officials have long contended that Pakistan has obstructed talks. “This is a green light from Pakistan,” Mr. Rahmani said.

Pakistan “definitely supported this and is also helping,” Mr. Qalamuddin added. He said that if Pakistan did not approve of the talks, it would have arrested the Taliban delegates to Qatar, just as it did with Mullah Baradar, a senior Taliban official, after he began secret talks with the Afghan government in 2010.

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The sense prevails in the Americans the hard way!

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Americans never really cared about Taliban in the first place. They were always after Qaeda. It was Qaeda planning against American interests.
Americans went after Taliban only because Taliban had given Qaeda the refuge. Had Taliban given up OBL and others right after 2001, Taliban government would still have been there.


I think the reason US is talking to Taliban at this moment is that US believes Qaeda's back has been broken in Af-Pak area.

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Good to know that 3000 American soldiers lost their lives in vain. :rolleyes: You don’t negotiate with such *******s. You hunt them down and kill them.

Now someone go rewrite the official statements over the past 10 years so we make sure that Khoji isn’t lying.

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They have broken the back of AQ in Afpak to have it relocating to Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and Nigeria. And even in countries like Egypt the parties which the Americans have been calling terrorists are coming to power. They started from Afghanistan and now have spread them in many muslim countries, good progress I must say.

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i think us should relax security checks at airports...

that will confirm that al-qaeda's back been broken

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I am sure you did not think through it.
Qaeda is in shambles in Afghanistan. Not necessarily all over the world. So how could there be relaxation at airports?
Besides, people wanting to kill Americans are not always affiliated with Qaeda. A lot of them are cyber-fasadis without any mentor. This is another reason why checks need to be there.

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That is true.

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yes but y our great friend us is afraid to bury OBL on land and y they r afraid to publish pics of his corpse...

plz khoji answer this question,u seems like us guy

P.S. i m not getting personal i m also us guy like u...

  US is always right

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Democracies can not fight for long. With OBL dead and Qaeda in shambles in Afghanistan, American public is losing interest in Afghanistan.

Try learning to argue without getting personal, my friend.

Before 2001, at one time a Taliban delegation even visited the US.
Also, Pak, Saudis, and UAE recognized Taliban government. Why would US allow these countries, especially their sycophants, Saudis, to recognize Taliban, if US wanted Taliban regime to go?

Fact is that US did not like Taliban regime but changing this regime was not their priority before 2001. Their concern was people planning against US from Afghanistan. Throwing up the regime became US goal only when Taliban refused to give up Qaeda which was against the US.

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I can conjecture but I don't know ... and I don't care.

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Taliban regime in Afghanistan would not be a threat to US as long as it doesn't give shelter to anti-Western people.
US is friends similar totalitarian pre-historic governments. Example: Saudi.

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I guess President Bush was wrong with all these quotes: RWN's Favorite George W. Bush Quotes - John Hawkins' Right Wing News

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WoW! After 10 years amreeka has realized there are gooooood taliban..LOL.... hahaha... Folks, just wait and see, if Amreeka carrys on for few more yeras there is going to be good al-qaeda too... LMAO....

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the sama taleban until last year Americans were forcing Pakistan to carry out the operation (Quetta shura) are now good taleban and they are even not averse to talks with Haqqani network too.

Anyhow its good for both Afghanistan and Pakistan that the Americans wind up their operations, the pashtuns on both sides of the border have paid a huge price for American adventures.

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I can see why most people here are so pi**ed off. :)

I understand that many (although not all) of us are not Taliban sympathizers. It's just the Americans we want to see humiliated. So most Pakistanis want the reason for America's talking to Taliban to be America's failure in Afghanistan.

I would say I kinda agree with it. But one reason of this failure of Americans is due to the failure of the corrupt government they had put up in Afghanistan.

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"Pashtuns" wouldn't have paid this price if they had not supported and given refuge to people planning terrorist attacks against others.

Nevertheless, it's good to see that you talked about ethnicity instead of religion. That is true in the case of Taliban fighting others Afghans in Afghanistan. It was not about religion. It was about ethnicity. This is why the Pashtun Taliban had almost no support from non-Pashtun Afghans. And this is why the radical "Taliban" Pashtuns had to fight with the equally radical Tajiks.

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Those are very random quotes. Which specific quote are you talking about?
**Please read my post no. 12. Don’t you agree with it? Doesn’t it make sense?
**
And I did say that American talking to Taliban really is its failure to bring its war to the end. But *unfortunately *Americans can afford this inconclusive end.
Eventually if Taliban government returns to Afghanistan then it would be Afghan and Pakistani people who will pay the price.

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Some people here are as hell bent on hating America as the Tea Party is on defending it. Yes, the American **government **has made colossal mistakes in the last few decades but the Taliban are not exactly good for Afghanistan. The Soviets and Americans have ruined the country with their proxy wars.

I am happy that the war might end, and people will stop dying because of American invasions, but for the people of Afghanistan there is a long way to go towards rebuilding their country to what it was before the proxy wars.

As for the Bush quotes: they're obviously lies meant to appease idiotic right wingers. Everyone knows America is hypocritical.

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Very nice response from Ron Paul about US foreign policy. It may not be directly related to this topic, but, well, I liked it.

Ron Paul debate question BANNED from Fox News

CNN’s “technical difficulties”.