U.S. Says Pakistan Gave Technology to North Korea (merged)

whats wrong is having to spent billions of cash money for weapons missiles - whether inhouse or buying from korea. that way stealing is better cus atleast it doesnt waste money! (partly joke).

why borowing money from Paris club and world bank and all and same time to only pay same money back to korea or west or americans for there 20 yr older technology and weapons? also trading prechious uranium to korea for missle is waste cuz Pakistan has to buy enrichment uranium - not indigenous. this is comprmising security cus it takes uranium out local and give to korea when same can be got from China for almost nothing but one or 2 visits (and some groweling - but that comes with job)

Islam’s Hero Dr. AQ KHAN being accused of propaganda!!!

Pakistan scientist brokered N. Korea deal

A.Q. Khan, country’s nuclear father, aided Pyongyang’s weapons program

By Robert Windrem
NBC NEWS

NEW YORK, Oct. 18 — A barter deal that traded North Korean missile technology for Pakistani nuclear know-how was engineered by A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan’s bomb and a man whose anti-Western values have been known for years, sources told NBC News on Friday. News of the involvement of Pakistan’s top scientist in the secret pact comes on the heels of North Korea’s admission that it has been pursuing nuclear weapons in violation of a 1994 agreement with Washington.

    U.S. OFFICIALS who spoke on condition of anonymity told NBC News on Friday that Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S. war on terrorism, was a major technology supplier of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.
   Pakistan, which the United States says is a key ally in the war on terrorism, on Friday denied the allegation.
   However, officials inside and outside the U.S. government said that an extensive technology exchange between North Korea and Pakistan had been overseen by Khan, Pakistan’s legendary nuclear scientist.
   “It does make sense, doesn’t it?” said one U.S. official, noting that North Korea provided Pakistan with at least a dozen of its Nodung missiles in early 1998. Both the Ghauri and Pakistan’s nuclear program are under control of the eponymous A.Q. Khan laboratories in Kahuta, outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.
   A CIA spokesman said the agency could neither confirm nor deny the report of Khan’s involvement in the technology exchange.  



    “Khan visited North Korea in the late 1990s,” a reliable source outside the government said, noting that the eminent scientist provided “information and technology” to the North Koreans and also hosted a delegation from Pyongyang in Pakistan.
   After Pakistan’s President Gen. Pervez Musharraf seized power in 1998, Khan was removed from day-to-day dealings at the laboratories. “He was kicked upstairs,” as one official put it.

WAR ON TERRORISM
News of the participation of a top Pakistani government employee in North Korea’s nuclear quest comes at a crucial time — when Washington is relying heavily on Pakistan as a partner in its war on terrorism.

    Underscoring Pakistan’s role in the U.S. campaign, Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of the U.S. war in Afghanistan, was in Pakistan on Friday to observe part of a three-week joint exercise of U.S. and Pakistani troops.
   Such exercises had been suspended after Pakistan conducted nuclear tests in May, 1998.
   The U.S. officials said Khan’s expertise in producing enriched uranium for weapons was crucial to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, who in turn provided Pakistan with missile technology that gave Islamabad’s rocket forces the capability of striking nuclear rival India.
   North Korea reportedly admitted to the secret nuclear weapons program during meetings with a senior State Department official in Pyongyang, North Korea, on Oct. 4, putting it in violation of the 1994 Agreed Framework, under which it agreed to halt the program in exchange for economic aid.   

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     Despite the agreement, earlier this year, President Bush said North Korea formed part of an “axis of evil” with Iran and Iraq.
   North Korea’s violation has once again upset the delicate balance on the Korean Peninsula, where some 37,000 American troops keep the peace between the North and South on one of the last frontiers of the Cold War. 

ANTI-WEST LEANINGS
The participation of Pakistan’s Khan in the nuclear transfer to North Korea comes as no surprise, U.S. officials say.
Latest news on North Korea
Seen in the West as a scientific rogue, Khan is outspoken and critical of Western values.
In the 1970s, Dutch authorities accused Khan of filching the secret formula for processing uranium until it was bomb-grade from right under the noses of his trusting hosts in the Netherlands, where he was working at a nuclear institute.

• The nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan

    Born in Bhopal, India, in 1935, Khan’s legendary joviality masks a bitter past. Like millions of Muslims, Khan’s family was forced to flee India to Pakistan during the partition of British India, an event Khan has lamented in speeches over the years.
   Precocious, Khan was able to breeze through science courses, first in Pakistan and then in Europe, ultimately earning a doctorate from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1972. 
   That year, he went to work for the Physical Dynamics Research Laboratory, or FDO, in Amsterdam. FDO was a subsidiary of a Dutch firm, Verenigde Mchine-Fabrieken, which in turn worked closely with one of Western Europe’s most important nuclear facilities: URENCO. 
   Because they were unwilling to rely on U.S. nuclear fuel for their power reactors, Great Britain, Germany and the Netherlands created URENCO in 1970 to guarantee their own supply of enriched uranium, the same fuel used in the Hiroshima bomb.  



    An enrichment plant was built in Almelo, Holland, and used highly classified ultracentrifuge technology to separate scarce, highly fissionable U-235 from abundant U-238 by spinning the two isotopes at up to 100,000 revolutions a minute. FDO was an URENCO subcontractor and consultant.

ACCESS TO NUCLEAR SECRETS
Shortly after being hired, Khan was sent to Almelo, where, as the months passed, he became thoroughly familiar not only with all the design plans at the plant but with those belonging to the companies that supplied parts for the ultracentrifuges.
Khan’s most important trip to Almelo was made in the autumn of 1974, when he spent 16 days in the plant’s most secret area. His assignment was to translate a highly classified report on a breakthrough in centrifuge technology from German to Dutch.
Asked by co-workers why he was writing in a foreign script, Khan replied that it was only a letter to his family back home, according to a former colleague. Another colleague noticed that he continually roamed around the factory, notebook in hand.
In January 1976, Khan and his family suddenly left Holland and turned up in Pakistan. His wife wrote to her former neighbors that they were on vacation and that her husband had fallen ill. Soon afterward, Khan himself sent a letter of resignation to FDO, effective that March.

The disputed mountain region, held by India, but struggling for independence, is rife with violence, rich with beauty.
U.S. officials say Khan managed to steal secrets that were the most closely guarded industrial gems in Western Europe. Of equal importance to the technical materials was a list of suppliers to URENCO, the companies across Europe that made the components he needed to obtain for Pakistan.
An investigation by the Dutch turned up no evidence that he was sent to the Netherlands as a spy. Nor is it clear whether he approached the Pakistani government or the other way around.

SUCCESS REWARDED
Khan soon rose to head the nascent Pakistani program and from its new headquarters in Kahuta, south of Islamabad, obtained critical technology and equipment to complement what he had learned in the Netherlands.

   Khan became a national hero: a scientist-manager on a par with nuclear experts like Iraqi’s Jafar Dia Jafar and Israel’s Yuval Neeman, both Western-educated but considered ultimate patriots in their countries.
   Khan has kept a low profile in recent years, refusing interview requests by foreign journalists. However, he has been known to direct his anger at the West and Israel. In the 1980s, Khan said: “All Western countries, including Israel, are not only the enemies of Pakistan but in fact of Islam. Had any other Muslim country instead of Pakistan made this progress, they would have conducted the same poisonous propaganda about it. The examples of Iraq and Libya are before you.”

http://msnbc.com/news/765161.asp?cp1=1

America is going too far now…

This is BS.

Why would AQ Khan stole Uranium from Europe and China since Pakistan already produce it overwhelmingly?

America is souring the relation by itself like they it after Cold War.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
This is BS.

Why would AQ Khan stole Uranium from Europe and China since Pakistan already produce it overwhelmingly?

America is souring the relation by itself like they it after Cold War.
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i heard Pakistan has to buy enrichment uranium. are you sure it is produced overwhemingly? please provide how I can confirm this.

also I meant you can get missiles from china not uranium! and I said you giave to korea not stole from.

as far as stealing from europe is concerned I never said anything about that - must be a case a guilty consiousness bothering. like they say, the mind of a debtor and robber never is peaceful

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
This is BS.

Why would AQ Khan stole Uranium from Europe and China since Pakistan already produce it overwhelmingly?

America is souring the relation by itself like they it after Cold War.
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PT,

READ the story.

It is not Uranium - it is ENRICHED Uranium.

A.Q.Xerox Khan stole the equipment for making enriched Uranium from Holland.

Akif, u r rightly designated as moderator. You read them well. Why don’t you work with ISI or Pak Army to guide them properly. Here is an item supporting your hypothesis :
http://news.sify.com/cgi-bin/sifynews/news/content/news_fullstory_v2.jsp?article_oid=12052942&page_no=1

US deliberately leaked report on Pak nukes
Washington, Oct 21

A leading geopolitical analytical firm dubbed the leak of report to New York Times on Pakistan supplying nucler technology to North Korea as a subtle attempt by the US to make sure that President Pervez Musharraf remained co-operative in the battle against al-Qaeda.

The timing of the leak is telling, said the report by Stratfor. It comes soon after Pakistan’s October 10 elections, which boosted the power of Islamist parties.

‘‘By linking the North Korean nuclear weapons programme to Islamabad, Washington raises the threat that economic-military sanctions could be levied against Pakistan,’’ the report said.

The report further adds though Washington is not likely to impose sanctions against Pakistan immediately because of its strategic interests in the region. But, by leaking the report it has tried to cut Musharraf to size.

Pakistan and North Korea

I was not even aware there is a North Korean embassy in Pakistan much less the level of cooperation between our country and them. Who would think of North Korea, either in terms of tourism, trade or employment? Now, today's newspaper are full of stories how the quid pro quo worked between North Korea and Pakistan.

According to these news stories, North Koreans provided critical technology on developing ballistic missiles. In return Dr A.Q. Khan et al, provided the North Koreans critical know-how on how to enrich plutonium and gave them a list of suppliers for key raw-material. Both countries, being paupers otherwise, such a barter of information was certainly a rare example of thinking outside the box.

That North Korea broke its treaties with US or UN is certainly no concern of mine, but the way Pakistan got hold of advanced missile technology, if true, is certainly inspiring. Although I suspect, that China has more of a role to play in missiles than these news stories give away.

US has already suggested it is not going to take military or diplomatic action against North Korea. Pakistan is already an ally of America in the war against terror. It will certainly be interesting to follow how events shape up in the region.

It's a fair deal between Pakistan and North Korea. I've no objection on that; and it is between Pakistan and North Korea. Rest of the world, should mind her own business!

Oops.. here is the required [(http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/4355768.htm). FYI, they only keep free archive for seven days, after which they start charging.

U.S. knew about nuclear link between N. Korea, Pakistan

By Dan Stober and Daniel Sneider
Mercury News

Despite its startling announcement a week ago, the Bush administration had detailed knowledge for more than a year about North Korea’s program to covertly make uranium fuel for an atom bomb, the Mercury News has learned.

North Korea’s admission that the country’s secretive, authoritarian government was pursuing a new route to nuclear weapons sparked international alarm last week. But interviews with experts and former Clinton administration officials, and a review of little-noticed statements by Bush officials, raise questions about why the administration waited so long to deal with this threat, now the subject of intense diplomatic efforts.

In addition, the administration had strong evidence, dating back to the Clinton presidency, that North Korea got help from Pakistan’s top nuclear weapons scientist.

The Pakistanis appear to have given nuclear technology to North Korea in exchange for long-range ballistic missiles that could reach deep into the territory of its traditional foe, India. Bush administration officials pointed a finger at this in early June 2001, at a time when they were courting India. But since Sept. 11, when Pakistan became a key ally in the war on terrorism, they turned mum on the Pakistan connection.

It is not clear who authorized the deal, but the existence of the Pakistan-North Korea tie was already known more than two years ago, during the Clinton administration. Our concerns were addressed to the Pakistanis at the highest levels,'' in connection with President Clinton's trip to Islamabad in 2000, said a senior Clinton official who was involved. Our concern was about whether the Pakistani government was sufficiently in control of its nuclear labs and certain nuclear scientists.‘’

Lead scientist

That information was apparently passed on to the new administration. On June 1, 2001, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage used language that was clearly understood to refer to Abdul Qadeer Khan, the flamboyant founder of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. He expressed concern that the Pakistani nuclear labs, the Khan Research Laboratory and the Pakistan Atomic Energy Agency, might be spreading nuclear technology to North Korea.

The concerns centered on ``people who were employed by the nuclear agency and have retired,‘’ Armitage told the Financial Times of London. He spoke two months after the sudden retirement of Khan, who had been the well-known face of Pakistani nuclear weapons for decades.

``It is suspected that he did something on his own with North Korea as a quid pro quo for missile technology,‘’ said Rifaat Hussain, a prominent Pakistani political scientist who has written extensively on the country’s nuclear program and is now a visiting scholar at Stanford University.

The Khan Research Laboratory has both a missile-development center and an industrial-sized gas-centrifuge plant for enriching uranium for Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. If there was a transfer, Khan's organization at the lab would probably be the contact,'' said Gaurav Kampani, an expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. But he could not have done it without the sanction of the military,‘’ which tightly controls the nuclear weapons program.

Pakistani government officials have denied the charges that they aided the North Korean nuclear program. And a State Department official refused to explain Armitage’s remarks and how they related to last week’s revelations, citing a policy of not commenting on intelligence matters. The National Security Council also refused requests to explain the administration’s policies on this issue.

Uranium program

The Bush administration told reporters last week that North Korea has a secret nuclear program – in violation of a 1994 international agreement to halt their weapons effort. The North Koreans admitted the secret program three weeks ago after being presented with evidence by visiting senior U.S. diplomat. The Bush administration explained that North Korea was attempting to enrich uranium, a secret program separate from its earlier efforts to make a bomb from another radioactive metal, plutonium.

U.S. intelligence officials subsequently told the New York Times that Pakistan was a major supplier of the uranium-enrichment equipment, part of a barter deal to obtain North Korean ballistic missiles.

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice told CNN last Sunday that there was evidence of North Korea’s pursuit of this program going back to at least 1999 but that they decided to confront the North Koreans based on evidence confirmed only this past summer. She referred to a ``shadowy proliferation network’’ that supplied the technology but did not name any specific countries.

The Washington Post reported that U.S. intelligence caught North Korea trying to import large quantities of high-strength aluminum that could be used to construct centrifuges. There was also evidence of significant new construction, the Post reported.

Khan, the man believed to have supplied the North Koreans, is a metallurgist who worked at a Urenco uranium enrichment facility in the Netherlands until 1975, when he left with stolen blueprints for centrifuges and a list of Urenco’s key technology suppliers. The Khan Research Laboratory in Kahuta was founded the next year. Khan’s high-profile life and nuclear bravado made him a household name in Pakistan. He is seen as instrumental in Pakistan’s development of a uranium bomb and its first test in 1998.

The rivalry between the two Pakistani weapons labs became more intense after the 1998 nuclear test, with scientists squabbling over credit for the success, some of them angry at Khan’s grandstanding.

In the 1990s, both labs competed to design a ballistic missile to counter India, with KRL championing a liquid-fuel missile while the PAEC pursued a solid-fuel model. Pakistan’s Ghauri missile, designed by Khan’s lab, is based on the North Korean Nodong missile.

Possible bargaining

North Korea’s aid to Pakistan’s missile program goes back at least to the 1980s, said Joseph Bermudez, who has written extensively about North Korea’s military for Jane’s Intelligence Review.

We saw all that activity,'' Bermudez said. We didn’t know exactly what the North Koreans were getting in return, but we didn’t think it was money, because Pakistan was in such a bad way.‘’ Help with the North Korean nuclear program was considered a possibility, he said.

Rumors of a North Korean centrifuge program, perhaps hidden underground, had circulated for some time. It was curious that the North Korean bomb program had pursued only plutonium, while most other nuclear states followed a dual-track effort of producing both plutonium and uranium, Bermudez said.

What specific help Pakistan may have given North Korea is unknown. It could be equipment, materials, blueprints, expertise or a shopping list of where crucial items might be purchased, said Kampani, the expert at the Monterey Institute’s Center for Nonproliferation Studies.

``If it was a bargain, it fits together so perfectly,‘’ he said.
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*U.S. knew about nuclear link between N. Korea, Pakistan *

Just like Uncle Sam knew about 9-11.

What I find interesting is the connection between Dr A.Q.Khan being forced to resign and the knowledge transfer to North Korea.

I am sure these are all rumours at this point. Hopefully someone with more information on this topic will like to share.

Faisal,

I posted the Pak-N.Korean links on the other thread.

Also, in 1998 a couple of North Korean scientists in Pak were killed by Korean agents because they were about to defect to the US.

From "The Sunday Telegraph" UK, article by Julian West, Nov 1, 1998.


Kim Sin-ae, wife of the Economics Counselor at the North Korean embassy to Pakistan, Kang Thae-yun, was murdered shortly after midnight on 7 June 1998. According to unnamed diplomatic sources in Pakistan, Kim was murdered because she was suspected of providing details of missile deals between North Korea and Pakistan to Western intelligence agencies. On 14 November 1998, Pakistan issued a statement in reaction to this statement, calling it "baseless."[1] According to an unnamed senior Pakistani police source, North Korean agents working at Pakistan's Khan Research Laboratories murdered Kim. Pakistani authorities covered up Kim's murder. Her murder coincided with the arrival of a North Korean shipment in Pakistan containing weapons material, including warhead canisters

Kang Thae-yun served as the local representative to the Changgwang Sinyong Corporation (also known as the North Korean Mining and Development Trading Corporation), identified by the US Department of State as a key supplier of missile components to Pakistan and Iran. According to US intelligence and British customs reports, the corporation was also a supplier of nuclear materials from Russia to Pakistan. British customs officials had earlier seized a shipment of maraging steel, a corrosion-resistant alloy used in warheads and a vital component for the enrichment of uranium to weapons-grade quality, sent from the All Russian Institute of Light Alloys (Moscow) to Kang directly. Additionally, a recent US intelligence report stated that another shipment of maraging steel had arrived in Pakistan since Kim's murder. The report also said that a Pakistani trading house, Tabani Corporation, is negotiating a deal for the supply of Russian missile guidance systems.

A Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman reiterated the government's position that it had developed its nuclear and missile capabilities indigenously, and not with help from North Korea. However, an anonymous official source in Islamabad said that the Pakistani 1,500km Ghauri missile tested-fired in April 1998 was based on the North Korean No-dong ballistic missile.


For people following this area, this news is long known.

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Faisal,

I posted the Pak-N.Korean links on the other thread.
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I am sorry. I tried to look up an existing thread but didn't find anything on the first page of thread lists, so opened a new one. If there is an existing thread, maybe mods can merge them together. I think this stuff may remain in the news for a while now.

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**U.S. knew about nuclear link between N. Korea, Pakistan *

Just like Uncle Sam knew about 9-11.
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this not true! how you say about 911?

LOL! :hehe:

How about missed Signals?

Oh, didn’t get it.

How about Qaedia dudes attacking American overseas for more than a decade and US Govt couldn’t do anything about it?

i also read - actually saw in tv cnn etc - about signals. but it is not humanly posible to tell before. may be if youre super man or god may be. now after 911 sudenly you say signals. did you see alledged signals?

Whoa, I am impressed by your level of debate.

First you didn’t know about the signals, and now you are telling a different story of Human errors. :hehe:

And I suppose India pulled its Nuke technology out of its A$$?!

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PT,

READ the story.

It is not Uranium - it is ENRICHED Uranium.

A.Q.Xerox Khan stole the equipment for making enriched Uranium from Holland.
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Your really hung up on the "made in..." aspect of our bomb... If that makes you feel good then so be it. Although I doubt Indias technology is all the "indigenous"
But PLEASE ANSWER ONE QUESTION AND STOP BEING A PUSSY ABOUT IT...
Does it really matter as long as it hits Delhi on target?

what blabering this is from you? when i said differently story? everybody i snot like you always changing story to get vote or make discussion becaus no other buisness! becaus when you say impressed that is like making joke and you make sure you are inside glass wall room before casting furst stone! i am saying generally because even though you are not lisening well i dont want to make others laugh at your ignoramus!

that being having said that truth is important and that is because signals or may be no signals it is wrong and mistake for extremism terroists to attack anybody included 9/11 yemeni ship bali kashmir new delhi etc. do pleae make no excuses and side with the bad people just to argue empty.