U.S. Says Pakistan Gave Technology to North Korea (merged)

There was no comment from the State Department against Pakistan., specially against Blue-eyed boy.Musharraf. He is playing his card well.

Frankly, we would never ever heard of Pakistan - N. Korea link only if U.S didn’t act Hypocritically as it did after Cold War.

Pakistan Rejects N Korea Nuclear Link

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has described as baseless reports that Pakistan has supplied equipment for North Korea’s newly-revealed nuclear programme.

General Musharraf said Pakistan stood by its commitment not to proliferate its nuclear technology.

But a report in the New York Times newspaper quoted US officials as saying there had been a deal between the two countries.

**Ever since Pakistan offered its full support to the US after the attacks on New York and Washington, it has been seen as an important ally in the war on terror.

The report in the New York Times could sour relations. **

“There is no such thing as collaborating with North Korea in the nuclear arena,” Musharraf said.

**“Pakistan will never proliferate its nuclear technology and we stand by this commitment… there is no question of proliferating to any country in the world.” **

"May Allah protect Pakistan" haha.

Q bhaee? Apna Amerikay par ab baroosa nahi?

Its now bombs over Islamabad, or they refuse to give the "aid" that was promised. In both ways, Pakistan will be the biggest loser. It will get nothing but great fitnah.

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oh oh is right. May Allah protect Pakistan.
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chaaqoo dear, do you really want us pakistanis to pay any attention to the plethora of garbage evidence.

I'ld rather believe what our own scientists have to say. How is it possible for the pakistani missiles to have more range than the north korean ones. After all their longest range missiles can only strike the maximum distance of close to 2000 kms while the documentation on some of the pakistani missiles put the maximum range in the proximity of over 2500 kms.

:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Why is NY Times, FAS, NTI, The Guardian, Washington Post all “garbage”?

Becasue they expose your fake story?

Pakistani scientists can only apply Green Paint.

Care to show any proof?

Or did AQ Khan tell you personally? :smiley:

Just admit that Pakistan’s story has been busted

:hehe: :rotfl: :hehe:


The Ghauri (a North Korean Nodong 1) has a 1,500-km-range, the Ghaznavi (apparently a Chinese M-11 missile alreday flown by Pakistan under the Shaheen designation) can deliver warheads to 290 km and the Abdali (presumably an indigenously developed solid-fueled missile) to 180 km. All three missiles can reportedly carry nuclear weapons. The Ghauri 3 is suspected to be a local version of North Korea’s Pekdosan 1 (U.S. designation: Taepo Dong 1) intermediate range ballistic missile.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/syriamissiles990823.html


Pakistan continued to acquire sophisticated M-9 missile components from China and the Nodong missile from North Korea, which utilizes Chinese-based technology

“Pakistan has essentially no indigenous production capability;”:hehe: says John Pike of the Federation of American Scientists. “North Korea has developed the [missile] program, Iran is attempting to finish it, and Pakistan is helping them pay for it.”


Pakistan has only bought missiles from China and north Korea.

http://old.smh.com.au/news/0003/16/world/world10.html

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/pakistan/missiles.html


Pakistan’s limited scientific and industrial base has forced it to rely on continuous outside help. Pakistan possesses both the 300 km M-11 (Hatf III) missile acquired from China and the 1000 km Nodong (Ghauri) missile bought from North Korea. Pakistan has also imported plants to manufacture these missiles.


http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/130602/editor/opi4.htm


I have studied sometimes back the hard-cash starved North Korean’s No-Dong Missile and I feel that the performance of Ghauri as it then appeared in the press is fairly identical to the North Korean missile, and I thought Ghauri (and even the Iranian Shahab series of equal range) are in fact derivatives or reverse engineered copies of the North Korean stuff


There you go. A PAKISTANI expert says Ghauri = NoDong

http://www.cdi.org/hotspots/issuebrief/ch7/


Indian build-up would raise tensions and might force Pakistan to weaponize (make combat ready) the M-11 missiles it bought from China.


All links clearly say Pak bought missiles, not share technology.

Here’s a Jehadi Pak “patriot” site.

http://www.markazdawa.org/englishweb/islami-articles/missile/


More recently, the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories, which is also responsible for Pakistan’s uranium bomb program, has imported and tested the North Korean Nodong missile under the name Ghauri. Imports of the longer range Taepodong missiles may also be under consideration.


http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Policywatch/policywatch1999/415.htm


The Ghauri, now under production, is based on a North Korean adaptation of the old Soviet Scud, while the Shaheen is thought to be a variant of the Chinese M-9.


http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/pakistan/missiles.html


Pakistan possesses both the 300 km M-11 (Hatf III) missile acquired from China and the 1000 km Nodong (Ghauri) missile bought from North Korea. Pakistan has also imported plants to manufacture these missiles. :wink:

The most recent development in Pakistan’s ballistic missile program was the flight testing of the Ghauri (Hatf-V) missile in April 1998. The Ghauri is liquid-fueled and is Pakistan’s imported version :wink: of the North Korean Nodong, itself a fancy Scud.



US intelligence agencies were reported to suspect that the missile tested was not an enhanced Ghauri but one of six Nodong missiles that Pakistan is believed to have bought from North Korea. :wink:



In passing it is interesting to note that Pakistan flew its direct copy No-Dong missile (Ghauri-II) on April 6, 1998 some three months before Iran’s Shahab-3. The question is why and what does this imply? It would seem to imply that Iran reworked the North Korean No-Dong design while Pakistan bought the whole package missile and its (TEL) Transport Erector Launcher :lol


http://www.cdiss.org/98may5.htm


Despite this background, the April 6, 1998 test generally surprised the international community for three reasons:

(1) No other tests of the Ghauri were previously known to have been carried out.

(2) Pakistan did not announce that a flight test would take place or alert international aviation authorities.

(3) Pakistan was not thought to possess the indigenous capability to develop an MRBM.

As a result, most outside observers and analysts did not find credible Pakistan’s claim that the Ghauri was an indigenously developed system as opposed to an imported design. :lol :lol

A subsequent report on April 30, 1998 by NBC News, as quoted by The News International Pakistan, amplified the New York Times report by stating that US officials now believed that North Korea may have sold as many as 12 No Dongs to Pakistan and the means to manufacture more. The Washington Post reported on May 14 that North Korea earned “millions of dollars” from this sale to Pakistan.


This is the Google cache of CIAONET., the CIA website.


The Ghauri missile launched by Pakistan has been widely perceived as a missile of North Korean origin not only by the Indian experts but also by several Western experts. But this has not come all of a sudden. On March 7, 1996, a North Korean vessel was seized by Taiwan. This was carrying 15 metric tonnes of ammonia perchlorate. The final destination of the consignment was the Space and Upper Atmospheric Research Commission (SUPARCO) of Pakistan, though it had to be routed through Hong Kong.


As far a Range goes, Here’s:

North Korea has many missiles.

Ghauri 1 was a repainted No-dong

Then NK built the TAepoDong which was a more advancedversion of No-Dong.

See the specs:

Hmm. 2,500 KM is right in the middle of this range.

:hehe: :hehe:

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Why is NY Times, FAS, NTI, The Guardian, Washington Post all "garbage"?

Becasue they expose your fake story?

Pakistani scientists can only apply Green Paint.

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Talwar, Indians should help Pakistan during these tense times since they know that the Pakistanis can only color their missiles and bombs, they should tell their American friends that Pakistan doesnt have the technology so they cant transfer it to any one. ;)

Dang Zaavia :smiley:

That sum up the whole story :hehe:

Zaavia,

There is a difference between "Nuclear" and "Missile" technology.

Please read up. ;)

I know there is a difference between the two, and if you believe that Pakistan can make up a nuclear device, dont you think they can build their own missiles too?

Even in your previous post you had enlightened us with your comments, that "Pakistani scientists can only apply green paint". And that includes all Pakistani scientists. ;)

Here’s a report from Today’s “Guardian” newspaper.

Pakistan helped North Korea make bomb

That figures, Benazir went China and North Korea for missile shopping :smiley:

If North Korea conduct Nucelar Test, that would be Pakistani Uranium :wink:

1.7 million Standard Korean Army forces and 37,000 American soldiers station in Japan.

Will the United States apply the same policy as it is doing with Iraq?

:nono3:

With Pakistan?

Notta Chance in Hell :hehe:

You see, I never said that Pakistan can make an indigenous nuclear device.

The whole world knows A.Q.Khan stole technology from Europe and China gave the blueprint to Pak.

Don’t believe me?

Here’s today’s MSNBC report doing a Purda Faarsh on Xerox Khan :wink:

Pakistan scientist brokered N. Korea deal

First of all, if Pakistan can have its indigenious nuclear program, they can build their own missiles too. But still, if it makes Indians happy to think that the Pakistani missiles are either Chinese or Koreans, so be it. It wont matter, whether they are Pakistani, Chinese or Korean, as long as they land on their precise targets, in India… :wink:

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It wont matter, whether they are Pakistani, Chinese or Korean, as long as they land on their precise targets, in India... ;)
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Yes :D

Seems like Indians are scared of the technology used in Pakistani bombs, no wonder the threat of the decisive battle has gone down the drain… :wink:

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The whole world knows A.Q.Khan stole technology from Europe and China gave the blueprint to Pak.
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Doesn't Pakistan produce Uranium?

first they said North Korea was helping Pakistan in developing nuclear weapons..

Now they are saying Pakistan is helping North Korea developing nuclear weapons…

:rolleyes:

Patendly obsurd contention, And what about tony blairs dossier, in which indian firms helped iraqi WMD programme ;)

Pakistan scientist brokered N. Korea deal

I’m sure many here will be happy to hear this sadly…

A.Q. Khan, country’s nuclear father, aided Pyongyang’s weapons program
NEW YORK, Oct. 18 — A barter deal that traded North Korean missile technology for Pakistani nuclear know-how was engineered by A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan’s bomb and a man whose anti-Western values have been known for years, sources told NBC News on Friday. News of the involvement of Pakistan’s top scientist in the secret pact comes on the heels of North Korea’s admission that it has been pursuing nuclear weapons in violation of a 1994 agreement with Washington.
U.S. OFFICIALS who spoke on condition of anonymity told NBC News on Friday that Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S. war on terrorism, was a major technology supplier of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.
Pakistan, which the United States says is a key ally in the war on terrorism, on Friday denied the allegation.
However, officials inside and outside the U.S. government said that an extensive technology exchange between North Korea and Pakistan had been overseen by Khan, Pakistan’s legendary nuclear scientist.
“It does make sense, doesn’t it?” said one U.S. official, noting that North Korea provided Pakistan with at least a dozen of its Nodung missiles in early 1998. Both the Ghauri and Pakistan’s nuclear program are under control of the eponymous A.Q. Khan laboratories in Kahuta, outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.
A CIA spokesman said the agency could neither confirm nor deny the report of Khan’s involvement in the technology exchange.
“Khan visited North Korea in the late 1990s,” a reliable source outside the government said, noting that the eminent scientist provided “information and technology” to the North Koreans and also hosted a delegation from Pyongyang in Pakistan.
After Pakistan’s President Gen. Pervez Musharraf seized power in 1998, Khan was removed from day-to-day dealings at the laboratories. “He was kicked upstairs,” as one official put it.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/765161.asp

NY times story posted in Pak forum