http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/18/international/asia/18KORE.html
** American intelligence officials have concluded that Pakistan, a vital ally since last year’s terrorist attacks, was a major supplier of critical equipment for North Korea’s newly revealed clandestine nuclear weapons program, current and former senior American officials said today. **
uhhh ohhhh…
oh oh is right. May Allah protect Pakistan.
Stop with the dramatics you two. Pakistan helped create and destroy the Taliban an was the nurturing grounds for Jihad, but today it is an American "ally".
This NYTimes informaton is not new news. Everyone has known this since the first time the Ghauri flew.
And anyway, America is too busy to fight "evil" Iraq to worry about "angelic" Pakistan.
So what, it's all fair trade. I am sure it brought some hard currency in return.
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So what, it's all fair trade. I am sure it brought some hard currency in return.
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Probably a nuke-tech for missile-tech type swap. North Korea needs nukes to put on their missiles; we need missiles to put under our nukes.
LOL..that sums up the equation, MS.
New corner in the "axis of evil".
More likely this is a prelogue for an excuse to begin the end of US cooperation with Pakistan......similar to what we saw post-soviet war. When America's needs were done, they butted out smoothly, and left Pakistan stranded wiht millions of refugees and problems, citing Pakistans nuke program. and now again, America seems to have hit dead ends in Afghanistan, and with the emergence of MMA in the elections, it might not be all that welcome in Pakistna anymore, so they are finding slick ways to get out of the so-called cooperation.
Personally, i find this report stupid and rubbish. First they all said Pakistans nuke program was based on assisstance from N. Korea, then they added missile tech as well. And now its the other way around, and a swap at that. A smooth way to divert attention from Americas internal problems.
It is a well documented fact that North korea gave No-Dong missiles to Pakistan which was painted and re-named Ghauri.
In return you guys gave them nukes.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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It is a well documented fact that North korea gave No-Dong missiles to Pakistan which was painted and re-named Ghauri.
In return you guys gave them nukes.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Can you provide the documentation to prove this fact, otherwise it's just an opinion of one individual without much credibility, who happen to be an Indian.
If US can provide nukes to Israel, why can’t Pakistan sell missile/nukes to other countries?
Report: Pakistan Gave Technology to North Korea
NEW YORK (Reuters) - American officials have concluded that Pakistan was a major supplier of equipment for North Korea’s clandestine nuclear weapons program, The New York Times reported in its online edition late on Thursday.
Pakistan provided North Korea with equipment, which may include gas centrifuges used to create weapons-grade uranium, as part of a deal made in the late 1990s, the paper said, citing current and former senior American officials.
In return, North Korea supplied Pakistan with missiles it could use to counter India’s nuclear arsenal, the Times quoted officials as saying.
North Korea admitted on Wednesday that it has had a uranium enrichment program for years, in defiance of a 1994 Agreed Framework under which it promised to freeze its work on nuclear weapons.
The paper quoted a spokesman for the Pakistan Embassy as saying it was “absolutely incorrect” to accuse Pakistan of providing nuclear weapons technology to North Korea.
The paper did explain how or why U.S. officials came to the conclusion Pakistan was supplying vital equipment to North Korea but it quoted American officials as saying the two countries had **“a perfect meeting of interests.” **
It added American officials now estimated that the North Korea nuclear project had started around 1997 or 1998, roughly the same time Pakistan tested the missiles it received from North Korea.
I have given 100s of links which were deleted here. I’ll start with this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/25/international/asia/25MISS.html
More links:
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_pakistan_missile.html
http://www.cdiss.org/98oct1.htm
http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/pakistan/missiles.html
http://cns.miis.edu/research/korea/overv2.htm
Tell me how many more you need
Mmyabe some of our N Korean Buddies could fire some of their new found Nuke luck at our enemy to the east:)
Im certain we could supply them with the Long range technology if need be, assuming they dont have it already.
On a serious note, America can go Fuk itself, what do you expect from an economically crippled Pakistan with Nukes AND sanctions.
Americas policy was bound to fail, rather then sanctions, they should have offered aid. Americas heavy handed approach to EVERY forign crisis always leads to trouble.
Also, no country is Angelic, everyone has bloood on their hands. America expecially, even if they dont admit it.
Are Korean missiles with green paint less affective at blowing up Hindudesh? I think not.
The missles could be from Martians, and would still not matter, point is, they fullfil our strategic needs, we can shuv them up Indias Arse!!!:k:
Just read this: :hula:
Pakistan embassy officials in Washington have denied the allegations.
But the new US intelligence assessment suggests that one of America’s principle allies in the war against terrorism has been an important contributor to the nuclear weapons programme of a member of what President Bush calls the “axis of evil”.
**It is a reminder yet again that real life is far more complex than the simple slogans used to market the Bush administration’s policies abroad. **
I am a Indian and when Indian Government says anything is built indegeniously I do not believe that easily. However as Adnan Bhai says who cares as long as it can blow up the enemy.
I do not beleive even green paint is made in Pakistan (probably imported from China). Forget about missile names they are of Afghan Kings anyway !
Let’s spread the circle of Tech. Suppliers. Shall we.
3 Countries May Have Helped N.Korea
WASHINGTON- Intelligence officials suspect that Russia, Pakistan and China are suppliers of equipment North Korea has used to develop its nuclear weapons program, an allegation Moscow and Islamabad quickly denied Friday.
“This has absolutely nothing to do with reality,” said Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko.
“No exchange of any sort was done with North Korea,” said Gen. Hamid Gul, a former chief of Pakistan’s spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence. **“North Korea’s technology has always been ahead of ours … North Korea has always been close to China and Russia … we are in no position to help them.” **
Two U.S. officials said Friday that while China is believed to be among North Korea’s sources, Pakistan and Russia are its main suppliers of equipment needed to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. Some of the equipment has industrial as well as military uses and passes through countries which may not know what North Korea is doing with it.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer would not comment on a New York Times report that Pakistan, in the late 1990s, forged a deal supplying Pyongyang with the equipment in exchange for North Korean missiles.
But he said: “Since Sept. 11, many things that many people may have done years before Sept. 11 … have changed.” Pakistan has become a major ally among the 90-nation anti-terror coalition established since the Sept. 11 attacks on America.
Another official, asking not to be identified, confirmed that Pakistan has carried out exchanges with North Korea on weapons technology but said they took place before President Pervez Musharraf took office in 1999.
Pressing suppliers to deprive North Korea of nuclear-related equipment will have to be part of the intense diplomatic effort launched by the Bush administration, since North Korea startled officials with the admission it has been secretly pursuing its nuclear program despite agreeing not to, one analyst said.
The administration is working to form an international coalition to steer North Korea away from its decision to pursue nuclear weapons.
“I think we’re going to see that no one wants to have a nuclear-armed North Korea,” Condoleezza Rice, Bush’s national security adviser, said Thursday night on ABC’s **“Nightline.” **
“Effective international pressure may have an effect on North Korea,” she said, adding that China, Russia, South Korea and Japan could fill that role.
Sen. John McCain said Friday he thought economic sanctions ought to be leveled immediately against Pyongyang.
“I’m not ruling out the military,” he said on NBC’s “Today” show, **“but there are other actions that would have to be tried first. And I believe that strong economic sanctions could bring down that government.” **
The U.S. diplomatic offensive began not long after the administration disclosed Wednesday that North Korea had acknowledged, during bilateral talks earlier this month, that it was attempting to develop nuclear weapons.
Two top State Department officials, John Bolton and James Kelly, flew to Beijing for talks Thursday with Chinese officials.
China is a major trading partner of North Korea’s and perhaps the one country capable of extracting concessions from the communist nation through economic sanctions, an administration official said.
President Bush is expected to raise the issue with Chinese President Jiang Zemin next week when they meet at Bush’s ranch in Texas.
Kelly plans consultations in Japan and South Korea on North Korea. Bolton’s itinerary includes stops in Russia, Britain and France, all nuclear powers which may have views on how to influence North Korea.
Chang-beom Cho, South Korea’s deputy foreign minister for policy planning, said Friday in Washington his government was involved in “intensive consultations” with the United States and Japan on what to do about the threat posed by North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.
“We are urging North Korea to fully comply with their commitment to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and also with a South-North agreement signed a decade ago on de-nuclearization of the Korean peninsula,” he said.
Cho said he hoped the threat **“will be wisely dealt with, hopefully through peaceful means and intensive dialogue soon as possible.” **
Secretary of State Colin Powell said the United States had no plans to undertake military action against North Korea.
Rice suggested it would be a mistake to equate the situation in North Korea with that of Iraq, where the United States is contemplating use of force to disarm that country.
“We’ve tried everything with Saddam Hussein. Nothing has worked,” :rotfl: she said.
North Korea’s nuclear program came to light when a U.S. delegation confronted North Korea with evidence gathered over the past several months, including recent bills of sale, that Pyongyang had been working to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, officials said.
That equipment most likely was part of a gas centrifuge program to separate weapons-grade uranium from ordinary fuel-grade uranium, private analysts said Thursday.
North Korea’s earlier nuclear efforts relied on plutonium, which makes smaller, lighter bombs but is much more difficult to produce and work with than enriched uranium.
It was not clear to U.S. officials whether the North actually has a nuclear capability or whether it is still in development. At a minimum, North Korea apparently is close to joining the United States, China, Russia, Britain, France, India and Pakistan as declared nuclear powers. Israel is thought to have hundreds of nuclear warheads but has never confirmed it has a nuclear weapons program.
But Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told a Pentagon news conference Thursday he believes the North Koreans already have produced “a small number” of the weapons.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/765161.asp?cp1=1
Pakistan scientist brokered N. Korea deal
A.Q. Khan, country’s nuclear father, aided Pyongyang’s weapons program
By Robert Windrem
NBC NEWS
NEW YORK, Oct. 18 — A barter deal that traded North Korean missile technology for Pakistani nuclear know-how was engineered by A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan’s bomb and a man whose anti-Western values have been known for years, sources told NBC News on Friday. News of the involvement of Pakistan’s top scientist in the secret pact comes on the heels of North Korea’s admission that it has been pursuing nuclear weapons in violation of a 1994 agreement with Washington.
U.S. OFFICIALS who spoke on condition of anonymity told NBC News on Friday that Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S. war on terrorism, was a major technology supplier of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.
Pakistan, which the United States says is a key ally in the war on terrorism, on Friday denied the allegation.
However, officials inside and outside the U.S. government said that an extensive technology exchange between North Korea and Pakistan had been overseen by Khan, Pakistan’s legendary nuclear scientist.
“It does make sense, doesn’t it?” said one U.S. official, noting that North Korea provided Pakistan with at least a dozen of its Nodung missiles in early 1998. Both the Ghauri and Pakistan’s nuclear program are under control of the eponymous A.Q. Khan laboratories in Kahuta, outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.
A CIA spokesman said the agency could neither confirm nor deny the report of Khan’s involvement in the technology exchange.
“Khan visited North Korea in the late 1990s,” a reliable source outside the government said, noting that the eminent scientist provided “information and technology” to the North Koreans and also hosted a delegation from Pyongyang in Pakistan.
After Pakistan’s President Gen. Pervez Musharraf seized power in 1998, Khan was removed from day-to-day dealings at the laboratories. “He was kicked upstairs,” as one official put it.
WAR ON TERRORISM
News of the participation of a top Pakistani government employee in North Korea’s nuclear quest comes at a crucial time — when Washington is relying heavily on Pakistan as a partner in its war on terrorism.
Underscoring Pakistan’s role in the U.S. campaign, Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of the U.S. war in Afghanistan, was in Pakistan on Friday to observe part of a three-week joint exercise of U.S. and Pakistani troops.
Such exercises had been suspended after Pakistan conducted nuclear tests in May, 1998.
The U.S. officials said Khan’s expertise in producing enriched uranium for weapons was crucial to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, who in turn provided Pakistan with missile technology that gave Islamabad’s rocket forces the capability of striking nuclear rival India.
North Korea reportedly admitted to the secret nuclear weapons program during meetings with a senior State Department official in Pyongyang, North Korea, on Oct. 4, putting it in violation of the 1994 Agreed Framework, under which it agreed to halt the program in exchange for economic aid.
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Despite the agreement, earlier this year, President Bush said North Korea formed part of an “axis of evil” with Iran and Iraq.
North Korea’s violation has once again upset the delicate balance on the Korean Peninsula, where some 37,000 American troops keep the peace between the North and South on one of the last frontiers of the Cold War.
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The participation of Pakistan’s Khan in the nuclear transfer to North Korea comes as no surprise, U.S. officials say.
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Seen in the West as a scientific rogue, Khan is outspoken and critical of Western values.
In the 1970s, Dutch authorities accused Khan of filching the secret formula for processing uranium until it was bomb-grade from right under the noses of his trusting hosts in the Netherlands, where he was working at a nuclear institute.
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Born in Bhopal, India, in 1935, Khan’s legendary joviality masks a bitter past. Like millions of Muslims, Khan’s family was forced to flee India to Pakistan during the partition of British India, an event Khan has lamented in speeches over the years.
Precocious, Khan was able to breeze through science courses, first in Pakistan and then in Europe, ultimately earning a doctorate from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1972.
That year, he went to work for the Physical Dynamics Research Laboratory, or FDO, in Amsterdam. FDO was a subsidiary of a Dutch firm, Verenigde Mchine-Fabrieken, which in turn worked closely with one of Western Europe’s most important nuclear facilities: URENCO.
Because they were unwilling to rely on U.S. nuclear fuel for their power reactors, Great Britain, Germany and the Netherlands created URENCO in 1970 to guarantee their own supply of enriched uranium, the same fuel used in the Hiroshima bomb.
An enrichment plant was built in Almelo, Holland, and used highly classified ultracentrifuge technology to separate scarce, highly fissionable U-235 from abundant U-238 by spinning the two isotopes at up to 100,000 revolutions a minute. FDO was an URENCO subcontractor and consultant.
ACCESS TO NUCLEAR SECRETS
Shortly after being hired, Khan was sent to Almelo, where, as the months passed, he became thoroughly familiar not only with all the design plans at the plant but with those belonging to the companies that supplied parts for the ultracentrifuges.
Khan’s most important trip to Almelo was made in the autumn of 1974, when he spent 16 days in the plant’s most secret area. His assignment was to translate a highly classified report on a breakthrough in centrifuge technology from German to Dutch.
Asked by co-workers why he was writing in a foreign script, Khan replied that it was only a letter to his family back home, according to a former colleague. Another colleague noticed that he continually roamed around the factory, notebook in hand.
In January 1976, Khan and his family suddenly left Holland and turned up in Pakistan. His wife wrote to her former neighbors that they were on vacation and that her husband had fallen ill. Soon afterward, Khan himself sent a letter of resignation to FDO, effective that March.
The disputed mountain region, held by India, but struggling for independence, is rife with violence, rich with beauty.
U.S. officials say Khan managed to steal secrets that were the most closely guarded industrial gems in Western Europe. Of equal importance to the technical materials was a list of suppliers to URENCO, the companies across Europe that made the components he needed to obtain for Pakistan.
An investigation by the Dutch turned up no evidence that he was sent to the Netherlands as a spy. Nor is it clear whether he approached the Pakistani government or the other way around.
SUCCESS REWARDED
Khan soon rose to head the nascent Pakistani program and from its new headquarters in Kahuta, south of Islamabad, obtained critical technology and equipment to complement what he had learned in the Netherlands.
Khan became a national hero: a scientist-manager on a par with nuclear experts like Iraqi’s Jafar Dia Jafar and Israel’s Yuval Neeman, both Western-educated but considered ultimate patriots in their countries.
Khan has kept a low profile in recent years, refusing interview requests by foreign journalists. However, he has been known to direct his anger at the West and Israel. In the 1980s, Khan said: “All Western countries, including Israel, are not only the enemies of Pakistan but in fact of Islam. Had any other Muslim country instead of Pakistan made this progress, they would have conducted the same poisonous propaganda about it. The examples of Iraq and Libya are before you.”
Robert Windrem is an investigative producer at NBC.
Fair deal :k:
India Concerned At Pak’s Nuclear Help To N Korea
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