U.S. and Pakistan are Jointly Carrying Out Drone attacks

Finally Pakistan has either come to their senses or this had been made public what was once kept secret.

Kudos to Pakistan.

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In a significant move, Pakistan has reportedly allowed armed U.S. Predator drones to fly inside its geographical territory for the first time to carry out airstrikes against the Taliban and other extremist groups.

Under the new partnership, U.S. drones will be allowed to venture beyond the borders of Afghanistan into Pakistan’s territory under the direction of Pakistani military officials, the Los Angeles Times reported on Wednesday.

Pakistan military officials are working with their American counterparts at a command center in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, the paper reported.

The program was created to enhance Pakistan’s ability and willingness to counter rising militant groups that pose a growing threat against the government and fuel attacks in Afghanistan.

I take it you didnt know about the pics of these drones parked inside pakistan as revealed by some satellite images? Ironically, the mushtards started blaming zardari saying how their hero didnt allow such things to happen, only to find out that those pictures were taken in 2006 :hehe:

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I know that....but Pakistan denied them in 2006

now they are openly acknowledging it....

i guess public opinion has turned so much against the Taliban that Pakistanis dont mind if USA launches drone attacks against them

Mush, Zardari and everyone else can deny all they want, but with authentic pictures of them resting at bases leaves no room for doubts.

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i guess public opinion has turned so much against the Taliban that Pakistanis dont mind if USA launches drone attacks against them
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every leader, including altaf bhai has condemned the drone attacks, not because they sympathize with the civilians, but because they dont want to be unpopular.

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^^ well now public opinion has finally turned against the Taliban...so they can openly acknowledge it

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A drone flying at 30,000 feet can spot a Talib on ground.

Hallelujah Mr 2k, hallelujah.

So far more than 100 drone attacks have killed 750 civilians and 10 alleged Taliban, with that success rate Lord of the Gun will achieve what it has planned.......Indeed

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^^ total nonsense

each time a drone attacks....all these taliban converges on the scene to remove the dead bodies of their comrades

the drones are a spectacular success

where are the relatives of the innocent people complaining about these attacks?

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^ Jesus Christ I didn't know about that, pardon me of my ignorance
But I wonder if drones were so successful why there has been disapproval for them even in US and why on earth Talibs are growing like new leaves in spring.

I also wonder when Talib converge to get dead bodies of their comrades, why there isn't another drone attack, that can finish them off once for all.

Remove the cotton bud that you are using for noise reduction so that you can listen to those who are crying about it.

Pitty

Given that the earth's atmosphere ends 62 miles above the ground, I'm finding it hard to imagine how a drone operates in outer space.

yes pakistani are showing their acceptance of drone attacks here:

Growing Consensus Against U.S Drone Attacks

Jauhar Ismail
The recent visit to Pakistan by the U.S Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke and Admiral Mike Mullen highlighted the growing differences between Pakistan and the United States on how to tackle the threat of Pakistani Taliban. At another level, their visit also signified an emerging consensus between Pakistan’s political leadership and security establishment that it can not afford to give in to the U.S. demands and need to chart a different course.

As a recent Dawn editorial noted, the visiting U.S. team was taken aback by the tone of Pakistani officials. Instead of arm-twisting Pakistan into agreeing to joint military operations in the tribal areas, they were confronted with a barrage of criticism and the visit ended with a rare and public acknowledgment of the differences between the two sides. While the PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif has been forceful in his opposition to these attacks for quite some time, it appears that the Prime Minister Gilani, President Zardari and the COAS Gen. Kiyani has finally thrown their weight behind this argument. Also a recent report from the bipartisan National Security committee condemned such attacks in the “strongest possible manner”.
Ironically its the Americans that deserve most of the “credit” for causing this convergence of thinking in Pakistan. A sustained campaign of charges in the U.S. press against the ISI for its alleged links with militants led by the senior U.S. Generals coupled with the threat of an expansion in drone attacks to cover Baluchistan and settled parts of Pakistan has finally convinced the national leaders to come out against the U.S. plans. Pakistan is also frustrated at the United States for its failure to make Pakistan’s strategic interests in Afghanistan a part of its new strategy for the region.

While it is too early to know if Pakistan can put up enough resistance to stop these attacks by unmanned aircrafts, it is good to see the change in nation’s attitude. Sovereignty is something that you either use or loose and in the case of Pakistan, we have opted for the later for the past 8 years. No one can deny the emerging threat of Taliban emanating from Pakistan’s tribal belt yet no sovereign country can allow such attacks by a foreign power. The western media often cites the killing of high-level Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders to justify such tactics but they often fail to recognize the impact of such attacks at the strategic level: in addition to the backlash caused by the civilian casualties, these attacks put Pakistan government and army in an impossible situation that they can’t possibly cope with. They have also caused the Taliban to move eastwards into the more settled areas where such attacks are not possible due to population density. A recent report in the Foreign policy magazine summarized the situation as follows:The US administration justified the drone attacks by claiming it would deny the militants a ‘safe haven’ in Pakistan.‘This line of argument sounds persuasive, but it falls apart on closer examination. For starters, it is not clear that al Qaeda requires a safe haven to do damage, especially since the original organisation has metastasised into smaller groups of sympathisers.’
The magazine pointed out that only a large-scale invasion could eliminate al Qaeda from the region but such an invasion was impossible and therefore there was little reason to continue the drone attacks.
‘US military strikes in Pakistan —even limited ones —tend to undermine the Pakistani government and increase the risk that Pakistan will become a failed state,’ the report noted.

:hehe: good observation

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and here is unofficial opinion about drone brilliance, but let us pakistani cheer the death of our civilians because 10 militant might be dead.

]Published on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 by Ted Rall *
** U.S. Drone Planes Have a Nearly Perfect Record of Failure
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by Ted Rall
In the dark, pre-dawn hours of Friday, the thirteenth of January, near the Afghan-Pakistani border, the buzz of an unmanned robot plane broke the silence. Half a world and 12 and a half time zones away, someone on the sixth floor of CIA headquarters keyed a command into a computer. The digitized message, relayed through the building’s circuitry and transmitted skyward, bounced along an array of aircraft and satellites before arriving at the RQ-1 Predator drone plane hovering above the Bajaur region of Pakistan’s Federally Administrated Tribal Areas (FATA). Four AGM-114N Hellfire II missiles, each purchased by American taxpayers from Lockheed Martin at a cost of $45,000, streaked off toward the hamlet of Damadola, five miles into Pakistan.
The four missiles, each carrying enough explosives to take out an armored vehicle, slammed into three local jewelers’ houses at 950 miles per hour, nearly twice the speed of a passenger jet at cruising altitude. “The houses have been razed,” reported a neighbor, a member of the Pakistani parliament. “There is nothing left. Pieces of the missiles are scattered all around. Everything has been blackened in a 100-yard radius.” The target of this latest assassination attempt via missile strike, Al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, wasn’t there. At least 22 innocent civilians, including five women and five children, were killed. “They acted on wrong information,” a Pakistani intelligence official said of the Americans.
The political fallout is devastating. The Pashtun tribesmen of FATA, still enraged at the militarization of an autonomous region that regular Pakistani army troops first invaded in 2004, are threatening a general uprising. As tens of thousands of people chanted “death to America” at protest marches across Pakistan, the regime of U.S. puppet dictator General Pervez Musharraf–weakened by the West’s failure to provide earthquake aid in Kashmir–was pushed to the brink of collapse. After Musharraf: the first civil war in a nuclear power.
This was only the latest botched U.S. attack. Eight days earlier, another attempt to kill al-Zawahiri failed when a missile blew up a house in the Saidgi area, also in the FATA, based on another incorrect report. Eight innocent civilians died.
If insanity is repeating an action in expectation of different results, the assassination-by-joystick squad at Langley is clearly nuts. How many must die before they notice that precision airstrikes are anything but?
In the wake of 9/11 the Pentagon went gaga over unmanned aerial vehicles. “These systems…park over the bad guys, watch them continually, never give them a break,” said Dyke Weatherington, UAV chief in Donald Rumsfeld’s office, in 2002. “The other aspect is that we’re doing that without putting service members at risk.” But history belies Rumsfeld’s assurance that the Predator-Hellfire program has a “darned good record.”
On February 4, 2002 a Predator fired a Hellfire missile at three men, including one nicknamed “Tall Man” who was mistaken by CIA operators for the 6’5" Osama bin Laden, near Zhawar Kili in Afghanistan’s Paktia province. “The people who have the responsibility for making those judgments made the judgments that, in fact, they were Al Qaeda,” said Rumsfeld. They were not. The victims were desperately poor civilians gathering scrap metal from exploded missiles to sell for food. The U.S. has not apologized.
On May 6, 2002 a Predator fired a missile at a convoy of cars in Kunar province in an attempt to assassinate Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hektmatyar because he opposes puppet ruler Hamid Karzai. Hekmatyar wasn’t there. At least ten civilians were blown to bits. Hektmatyar, understandably perturbed, has since declared himself and his militia our mortal enemies. No apology there either.
And now the massacre in Pakistan.
Mishaps are unavoidable due to the Predator’s design limitations. Image resolution is too fuzzy to make out much of anything at 10,000 feet up. Fly the drone lower than that and it becomes vulnerable to anti-aircraft fire. Assassinations by unmanned aircraft seem doomed to failure–out of thousands of sorties, the Defense Department can only point to a single success, the alleged Hellfire killing of Al Qaeda’s supposed “number five guy” in Pakistan last year. But it’s not just drone planes. Attempted assassination bombings attempted by flesh-and-blood pilots haven’t fared better.
Ronald Reagan ordered an airstrike on Libyan leader Moammar Khadafi’s home in Tripoli. Khadafi survived, but his baby daughter and 37 others were killed. In 1998 Bill Clinton ordered Tomahawk cruise missiles fired at Osama bin Laden’s training camp in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Bin Laden wasn’t there, but dozens of others died; the Sudanese facility turned out to be an innocuous aspirin factory. At the start of the 2003 invasion of Iraq George W. Bush ordered 40 cruise missiles fired at a Baghdad restaurant where Saddam Hussein was reported to be eating dinner. He wasn’t. No Baathist officials died. Fourteen members of two Christian families, mostly women and children, did.
Incompetence and poor intelligence are not exclusive to us. Though brutal, the 9/11 attacks fell far short of their planners’ immediate goals. Tens of thousands would have died at the World Trade Center had the hijackers known that New Yorkers start work at nine. And even if one of the two Washington-bound planes had struck the White House, Bush was in Florida at the time.
Targeted killing by aerial bombardment, whether it’s carried out by pilots, hijackers or computer-guided drones, is an inherently flawed concept–too easy to contemplate, too hard to carry out, and too ham-fisted to execute without also killing civilians. Intelligence is faulty, guidance systems fail, imagery is fuzzy. When the target of an assassination is present, small bombs can’t ensure success and big bombs invariably result in “collateral damage.” Technology hasn’t changed everything. You can’t know what’s going on on the ground from the air.
Civilized nations should band together to renounce and outlaw these sloppy and obscene aerial assassination attempts, which send the terrifying message that killing civilians is acceptable in the pursuit of justice. But if the international community can’t go that far, they can at least ban the use of unmanned vehicles like the Predator. Murder by mistake is bad enough when a human being can be held accountable.
© 2006 Ted Rall

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0118-32.htm

You are scientist and you are mad but can't imagine that it was "feet" not miles....Thanks for not ignoring.

Now drone is drone, controlled by men on ground, if outer space defense system can be conceived and designed, why can't drone operate from outer space.

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^^ that was an attack in 2006 which barely missed Zawahiri....

Is that the best you can come up with?

Is there Air in Outer space? :hehe:

I don’t see any air in the balloon of your arguments, just like outer space.

Is that the best you can do to acknowledge the nonsensical diatribe of your posts? :hehe:

you are even more desperate than I thought

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It's quite disgusting in the end...so, we have a bunch of militants who are evil because they kill random people (all other arguments are stupid...so what if they flog a person here or there...dozens if not millions more abuses carried out by 'normal' pakistanis every day) all in the name of ideology...and here we have the Pakistani govnerment doing pretty much the same, allowing a foreign army no less to do the same.

Oh, but it's not the same...the Pak army hasn't forced anyone to wear a burqa or grow a beard...yeah, that makes sense...

So this is ok for you?

Tch Tch Tch, don’t be enraged my friends, I curse the moment I said something which you took to heart so bad.

Ok, There is no air in the space, happy now?

but where did I say that “** copy word by word please**”, don’t interpret by definition.