Re: Two thirds in Kashmir want independence: poll
Folks just because two thirds of residents in Kashmir want independence it does not mean that is what should happen. right?
Saar Jee, in a democracy it happens and it MUST happen or one should not crow democracy from roof tops! e.g. case in point Quebec...
thankoo much much...
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You are correct in saying that a lot of those in Azad Kashmir are ethnically similar to Northern Punjabis and that Pahari is the main language spoken, but this has always been the case; it's not due to settlers; obviously adjacent areas influence each other. It's similar to how Laddakh and Jammu are not Kashmiri-speaking areas.
Azad Kashmir is a term incorrectly used, what is geographically the region of Azad Kashmir is actually Jammu and not Kashmir. The Vale of Kashmir is wholly Indian occupied. The people of Azad Kashmir are not Kashmiris ethnically or linguistically, they are Jammuites. Jammu and Azad Kashmir share their culture and linguistics with the Punjabis, whereas the Kashmiris share their culture and linguistics with the Shina people on Gilgit-Baltistan, both being Dardic ethnically and linguistically.
Changing the name of the Pakistani held Jammu to Azad Kashmir, whilst maintaining the Northern Areas completely separate was a deliberate move by Pakistan. It wanted to retain its border with China which it would not be able to if an independent Kashmiri state was to form, so in order to rally support for Pakistans own cause, it knew that it could wean the ethnically and linguistically similar Jammuites by deliberately keeping them separate and referring to them as Kashmiris.
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No, because as I said, Balochistan and Swat are internal matters. And whilst India would like to call Kashmir its internal matter, that is simply not the case.
Who gave the right to determine what is internal issue and what is not? You may like to think it is not internal matter but it is.
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Best solution to this problem is referendum like it was done in Canada for Quebec province. Canada is very small (populationwise) democratic country as compared to India. Let the people of Kashmir decide if they want to be part of India or an independent state.
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the people of INDIA have decided. That's good enough all of India, including J&K
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This kind of reasoning will create more unrest and deaths. In that case Pakistan and Muslims of the world can not be silent spectators.
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^ don't really care what Pakistan or rest of the so called 'muslims' of the world think about it. I have seen what Pakistan and rest of the muslims of the world are thinking and doing about al qaeda and taleban and terrorist attacks on India. So their performance shows they nedd be given no credibility whatsoever
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It seems the Indians are coming under more and more pressure to let go of Kashmir. But in all honesty, I doubt Kashmir will ever be truly independant. The best they can hope for is a compromise in which they get a huge amount of autonomy, free travel between the states and within Kashmir, and finally rid themselves of those Indian soldiers there to "protect" them.
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People of India are truly irrelevant. If they are, its only relevant to the extent that they have an occupation Army in Kashmir and thus are able to impose themselves.
But in the end. India has no place in Kashmir. Any sensible person would admit to that. Majority of Kashmiris don't want India, and as a nation that prides itself on its Democracy, Indians im sure understand the will of the people is paramount.
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India is only target for terrorists because of its occupation of Kashmir. End your occupation and you will have secured your nation.
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^ no don't worry - we don't pay blackmail such as what you are trying here. We'll take care of it as we have been. You tried Kargil, you tried Parliament attack, you tried Mumbai attack - yeah, we lost many but look at where that landed your country?
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No its not black mail. Its reality. Countries that occupy and torment other people, open themselves up to all kinds of retribution.
When the British occupied India, would you have considered the threat of Armed revolt against the British blackmail?
No you wouldnt. You Indians praise such people as national heros.
Now the tables are turned, and India is playing the role of the British. And now anyone that tells you your in for the same treatment as the British got is black mailing you...
Do you see the hypocrisy in all this?
Anyways, you dont have to respond. Sit back and enjoy the mayhem, as women and children hurling rocks do more to give your Indian egos a bruising then a thousand freedom fighters could ever hope too over the past 20 odd years.
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And no. You have no proof of Pakistans involvement in the Mumbai attacks. Why should Pakistan want to sully her hands with Indian blood?
No Mumbai was the act of a Militant group seeking retribution for the Thousands of innocent Muslims murder in India by your "security" forces.
Like I said, evil gets evil in return. You murder men women and children and your men women and children end up paying the price for your crime. Sharam karo.
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No its not black mail. Its reality. Countries that occupy and torment other people, open themselves up to all kinds of retribution.
*When the British occupied India, would you have considered the threat of Armed revolt against the British blackmail? * No you wouldnt. You Indians praise such people as national heros.
Now the tables are turned, and India is playing the role of the British. And now anyone that tells you your in for the same treatment as the British got is black mailing you...
Do you see the hypocrisy in all this?
Anyways, you dont have to respond. Sit back and enjoy the mayhem, as women and children hurling rocks do more to give your Indian egos a bruising then a thousand freedom fighters could ever hope too over the past 20 odd years.
which is why Mahatma Gandhi preached practiced and won independence by non-violent civil disobedience. Whether you want a repsonse or not your inaccuracies will be exposed.
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And no. You have no proof of Pakistans involvement in the Mumbai attacks. Why should Pakistan want to sully her hands with Indian blood? No Mumbai was the act of a Militant group seeking retribution for the Thousands of innocent Muslims murder in India by your "security" forces.
Like I said, evil gets evil in return. You murder men women and children and your men women and children end up paying the price for your crime. Sharam karo.
Actually we do have incontrovertible proof of Pakistani involvment. One of the simpler ones to understand is the following chain:
Video of Kasab shooting up + Pakistani officials admitting Kasab a Pakistani after denying it
On other attacks, there are evidences such as your ex-leaders admitting misuse and redirection of funds and armaments against India; there is also taped conversation of Musharaf, then your military leader, in conversation with his deputy being informed that they "have it claimed for mujahideen".....would you like a context or will you remember?
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Kindly don't derail the thread which is about Kashmir. Open another thread regarding kasab, Mumbai attacks or whatever.
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which is why Mahatma Gandhi preached practiced and won independence by non-violent civil disobedience. Whether you want a repsonse or not your inaccuracies will be exposed.
Really? What about your first war of independance? Which is what u indians called it. Certainly wasn't nonviolent. Neither was the likes of Baghat Singh. Infact Indians glorify a number of violent individuals.
Sorry man. Your failure nation of hypocrits. Face facts.
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Actually we do have incontrovertible proof of Pakistani involvment. One of the simpler ones to understand is the following chain:
Video of Kasab shooting up + Pakistani officials admitting Kasab a Pakistani after denying it
On other attacks, there are evidences such as your ex-leaders admitting misuse and redirection of funds and armaments against India; there is also taped conversation of Musharaf, then your military leader, in conversation with his deputy being informed that they "have it claimed for mujahideen".....would you like a context or will you remember?/QUOTE
No. What you have is conjecture. Your conclusion is based on absolutely nothing. This is probably how indias justice system works, but not in the real world.
Regardless, who cares. This what Indians Deserved after its crimes in Kashmir. Murderers should expect as much. You brought the Mumbai attacks on urselves.
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Interesting to see maggots spilling over from baharat rakshak forum and polluting this forum...
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^lol.on bharat rikshaw forum there are threads such as why did indian navy failed to stop 10 somalian pirates who hijacked mumbai for 5 days and 4 night.i remember a thread where they were dicussing what they would do when the naxelites would take over delhi in 10 years.