Two Pakistani Jihadis arrested

Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil’s terrorist camp near Islamabad allegedly trained the son. One wonders what out liberal Musharraf is doing with these camps?

http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2005/06/08/news/1_islamic_050608.txt

A Lodi father and son were charged with lying to federal agents about the son’s training at an al-Qaida camp in Pakistan for potential attacks on U.S. hospitals and supermarkets.

The arrests and the related detention of two Muslim leaders on alleged immigration violations are part of an investigation that is trying to determine whether authorities have uncovered a network of al-Qaida supporters in Lodi, according to federal law enforcement officials who spoke Wednesday on condition of anonymity because the probe is ongoing.

Federal agents stand by as a residence on Acacia Street is searched following arrests made earlier in the week. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)Hamid Hayat, 22, a U.S. citizen who lives in Lodi, was interviewed by the FBI last Friday and at first denied any link to terror camps. But the next day he was given a polygraph test and admitted he attended an al-Qaida camp in Pakistan in 2003 and 2004, according to an affidavit by FBI Special Agent Pedro Aguilar that was unsealed Tuesday.

In the course of weapons training, Hayat said photos of President Bush and other American political figures were pasted onto targets, the affidavit said. At the end of training, participants were given the opportunity to choose the nation in which their attacks would be carried out.

“Hamid advised that he specifically requested to come to the United States to carry out his jihadi mission,” according to the affidavit. “Potential targets for attack included hospitals and large food stores.”

Hayat and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, were detained over the weekend, FBI Agent John Cauthen said Tuesday. The elder Hayat, also a U.S. citizen who lives in Lodi, lied about his son’s involvement and money he sent for the son’s training, the affidavit said.

Both men were being held at the Sacramento County Jail. Umer Hayat’s attorney, Johnny Griffin III, called the allegations “shocking” but said his client “is charged with nothing more than lying to an agent.”

Federal authorities need just one charge to obtain an arrest warrant, Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said. Additional charges could follow, Sierra said.

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U.S. Magistrate Judge Peter A. Nowinski denied a bail request for the elder Hayat, saying he was a flight risk and a danger to the community.

“He just returned from Pakistan where he built a new home and contributed financial assistance to an al-Qaida sponsored program training his son and others to kill Americans whenever and wherever they can be found,” Nowinski said.

Hamid Hayat’s attorney wasn’t in court, and Nowinski set the son’s bail hearing for Friday. A telephone message left Wednesday with Hamid Hayat’s lawyer, Wazhna Mojaddidi, was not immediately returned.

This photo shows the house in Lodi where Federal authorities say Hamid Hayat, 22, and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, lived. Both were arrested after the younger Hayat allegedly acknowledged that he attended an al-Qaida camp in Pakistan in 2003 and 2004, according to an affidavit by FBI Special Agent Pedro Aguilar that was unsealed Tuesday. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)Hamid Hayat was trying to return to the U.S. on May 29 when the FBI told its Sacramento office that he was on the federal “no-fly” list.

The plane was diverted to Japan, where Hayat was interviewed by the FBI and denied any connection to terrorism. He was allowed to fly to California, but was interviewed again on Friday and Saturday.

He voluntarily took a lie detector test, which the affidavit said indicated he was not telling the truth. Hayat then acknowledged spending time at the training camp, the affidavit said.

Cauthen identified the two other men as Shabbir Ahmed and Mohammed Adil Khan. They were detained early Monday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, ICE spokesman Dean Boyd said.

The Web site for the Farooqia Islamic Center in Lodi identifies both men as imams.

Mohammad Adil KhanNeither Khan nor Ahmed was arrested on any criminal charges, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“It’s unfortunate,” Nasim Khan, former mosque president, said after hearing about the arrests of Mohammed Khan and Ahmed. “These are guys who’ve been doing good work in the community.”

In Lodi, a local Islamic leader defended the community.

“We are a peace-loving people. We have never done anything to violate the laws of the United States, and we don’t intend to,” Taj Kahn, of the Islamic Cultural Center, told reporters Wednesday morning.

“We always preached peace and tranquility in our community,” said Khan, who writes a column for the News-Sentinel. “We have never, ever preached violence or breaking any laws of the United States.”

Meanwhile Tuesday, FBI agents searched Ahmed’s house on Poplar Street, next door to the Lodi Muslim Mosque, and another house in the 300 block of Acacia Street, about four blocks from the mosque.

On Tuesday evening, at least a half-dozen FBI agents searched Mohammed Khan’s residence at 12828 N. Lower Sacramento Road, between Harney Lane and Armstrong Road.

Two other agents guarded the driveway to the residence, keeping all pedestrians and motorists off the property and questioning anyone who went near the driveway.

Mohammed Khan represented the Lodi Muslim Mosque for three years as imam, equivalent of the Christian term “pastor.” Mohammed Khan’s former role at the mosque is not clear. Mohammad Shoaib, who took over as mosque president in November 2003, said he fired Mohammed Khan in January. Others at the mosque claim that Mohammed Khan was never the imam in the first place.

Mohammed Khan is now the leader in the effort to build the Farooqia Islamic Center, including a school for children up to fourth grade, south of Lodi on Lower Sacramento Road.

Ahmed has been imam of the Lodi Muslim Mosque since Mohammed Khan left the mosque leadership.

Modesto attorney Gary Nelson, who is representing Mohammed Khan and others affiliated with Farooqia Islamic Center in a civil suit filed against them by the Lodi Muslim Mosque, said late Tuesday afternoon he was unaware of the arrests.

People active at the mosque and the Farooqia Islamic Center said Tuesday they didn’t know what happened.

Shoaib, who was seen talking to an FBI agent Tuesday afternoon in front of Ahmed’s residence, said the only question the FBI asked him was if he was the mosque president.

On Acacia Street on Tuesday afternoon, two unmarked cars used by FBI agents partially blocked the area in front of the residence being searched.

A man fixing a broken front window at the front of the residence said authorities arrived at the house Tuesday morning.

The man, who declined to give his name, said he did not know why authorities were at the back house, nor did he see anything that gave an indication of why they were there.

It is not clear how many FBI agents were searching Ahmed’s residence or the home on Acacia Street. At least two agents stood in front of each residence to respond to inquiries from the community.

Lodi police officials knew FBI agents were working within city limits, but said they knew nothing about the actual investigation or any arrests.

Several ranking officers referred reporters to the Sacramento FBI office and supplied a phone number that had been given them.

The only local police involvement came in the form of marked police cars, said Capt. Larry Manetti, who was in charge of the department Tuesday. Chief Jerry Adams was out of the office.

“We had no part in the case. The only assistance we provided was marked units in the area while they served search warrants,” Manetti said

Re: Two Pakistani Jihadis arrested

^ hang them by the balls.

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FBI Indictment

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/hayat.AFF.pdf

Quite revealing…one wonders why these specfic and named camps were allowed within Pakistan, if USA knows about them so well.

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Some quotes from the FBI report:

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  1. Following the interview of Hamid Hayat in
    which Hamid admitted attending a jihadi training camp, Umer
    Hayat was interviewed again by FBI agents. At the outset of
    the interview Umer was shown a videotape of his son’s
    confession. Shortly after viewing that videotape, Umer
    confirmed that Hamid Hayat attended a jihadist training camp
    in Pakistan in 2003-04. Umer admitted that he paid for
    Hamid's flight and had provided him with an allowance of $100
    per month, knowing that his intention was to attend a jihadi
    training camp.

  2. Umer Hayat described Hamid Hayat as first
    being interested in attending a jihadi training camp during
    his early teenage years, and being influenced by a classmate,
    Sadr Yaqoob (phoenetic spelling), at the madrassah (religious
    school) Hamid attended in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Hamid was
    also influenced by his uncle, Atiq Ur Rahman (phonetic
    spelling), who fought with the mujahedeen in Afghanistan.
    Umer Hayat claimed Hamid was at the training camp for 6
    months, but had been able to leave for home on the weekends.

  3. The madrassah was operated by Hamid Hayat's
    grandfather, and Umer Hayat's father-in-law, Qazi Saeed Ur
    Rehman. According to Umer Hayat, Qazi Saeed Ur Rehman sends
    the students from this madrassah to jihadi training camps in
    Pakistan. After completing his education at the madrassah,
    Hamid Hayat went to the Tamal training camp near Rawalpindi,
    Pakistan, which is operated by Maulana Fazlur Rehman. Umer
    Hayat stated that Maulana Fazlur Rehman is a close personal
    friend of Saeed Ur Rehman, Umer Hayat's father-in-law.

  4. Umer stated that due to his close familial
    connections to the leaders of the above-mentioned madrassah
    and training camp, he was invited to observe several
    operational training camps. According to Umer, he was
    assigned a driver who drove him from camp to camp. While
    visiting these training camps he observed weapons and urban
    warfare training, physical training, and classroom education.

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Terrorist camp near Pindi, hmm...

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Shouldnt this kid be in IOK? What the heck is he doing flying to the US?!
Waste of training:rolleyes:

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In the context of terrorism, Pakistan is highlighted again in US. Thanks to these idiots.:mad:

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Sure, keep saying that. What you don’t realize that ANY Pakistani in the US who even thinks about jihad-e-Kashmir or wherever else, will end up wearing an orange jumpsuit. This is what a policy of supporting violent jihad brings you. Thanks to these two guys, that entire community of mostly good Pakistanis will pay a huge price. People owning small businesses will suffer badly. Same is happening in Europe and Australia. Down Under they are trying a Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist today.

After 9/11, the world has no tolerance for jihad.

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That was a joke… Just wanted to needle you a little bit.. Sorry;)
Anyways, this is news to me, if there are trianing camps left, they would be farther up North..

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Seriously man, if you are in the US, you better be careful (not you specifically but as a figure of speech). There used to be an 'Indo-Pak" store, owned by a Pakistani guy, where I used to shop a few years back before I moved. Last year, some guy called and "tipped" the FBI that the shop dude was illegally sending funds to "jihadi groups." The FBI did investigate but found nothing, however the local govt got wind of it and used some zoning law to get the shop closed. The poor guy now is out of business.

There is ZERO tolerance for even the word jihad in the US. Seriously.

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Yaar, as long as you mind your own bussiness, no one will bother you… I know people who have been hassled but they are ok now.. Its all part of living in America.

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I hope FBI is reading all this :smiley:

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haahhahaa.. looks like something has reli gone wrong with the amrikans.. too afraid.. too concious that even a small tyre burst would cause a 'osama is here' scare..
so much so .. they loved these jihadis in the 80's.
I wonder if there could b anything more miserable life than living in constant danger of 'jihaid's are here'
tch...tch...tch

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There is a guy called Osama Satti, who used to be a propoent of Kashmir jihad at the old Paknews forum.

Anyway, one day I was reading google news and guess what I found? Mr. Satti has been arrested and is now in jail for terrorism related charge. See this. The allegation is that he is helping Lashkar-e-Taiba. Even if the terrorism case is not there, he will go to jail for a bunch of minor violations. That’s how they get you.

The US under Bush since 9/11 has been closely monitoring the internet along with cell phones and other communication channels. If they keep seeing someone’s name associated with supporting jihad anywhere, chances are it will go into a watch list. One false move after that → You end up wearing an orange suit like Osama Satti.

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Good job! But why dont they go and arrest that Halwa King Maulana Deisel. Its no secret as to where his loyalties lie. Hes openly decared support for the Jaish and Lashkar in the past.

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Spock, More than Moulana Diesel, Pak army has been aligned with AlQaeda trainign camps for long. The training camp that these Lodi boy were trained in, is also in Pakistan (Islamababd). Canu imagine it is operating without Pak army knowing about it?

I am amazed after 9/11, Pak army came out of any blame for these terrorist trainings. Only innocent and gullible ppl are being arrested, while the generals in GHQ who were mainly responsible for Afghanistan and Kashmiri jehads and trainign ppl for them, got away without any punishment. This is criminal on USA part to let them go, with one praise each day for Musharraf being so modern guy !

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One of my relatives was a flight instructor in Delaware. In Pakistan he worked for PAF and taught the likes of General Musharaf and other. On 9/11 he was sick and didnt show up by some sad coincidense. One of his Co workers reported him and he got fired. The FBI tapped his phone and kept an eye on him and his family for like a week or two until they finally realized that he's no threat. It got so tough he was thinking of moving back to Pakistan, but then he thought, I havent done anytning why should I be forced to go back.. Anyways, thats life in America!

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Well, I find it immposible that the Army could be doing this. Especially now… America couldnt possibly have allowed this. This was probably a camp for Kashmiri Jihadist, and Al Qaeda infiltrated it and turned it into an anti America camp all under the nose of the govt.. Thats probably why the govt hasnt said anything yet, admiting there was a camp would be admiting to sending Jihadists into Kashmir…

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it was renamed to this new title after the 80s, earlier it may have been a US sponsored* freedom fighters’ training camp*…the line of diff is vague you see…even the US agencies seem to forget now and then…
(i’m not talking in this context only…)

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you have any idea why it is still operating? Does pak army know about it? Who r the ppl operating it? Where r the graduates from this camp going? (After all Musharraf has said they r not interfering in Afghinatsna and kashmir)