Two Pakistani Air Force jets crashes, one pilot Shaheed

Two Pakistani air force A-5 training jets crashed Saturday, leaving one pilot Shaheed and other one severely injured, an air force spokesman said.

The Chinese-built A-5 jet crashed at Misriyal area near Chakwal, about 60 kilometers (40 miles) southeast of Islamabad of which the pilot-Zaheer Ahmed-managed to save his life by ejecting safely and landed by means of parachute, Air Commodore Sarfraz Ahmad.

Another PAF Mushtaq Jet crashed down at Charsda area of NWFP, killing its pilot killed and other one severely injured

The cause of the crash was not immediately known. Authorities
ordered an inquiry into the incident, which occurred on a training
mission.
inna lillah e wa inna ilaieh e raajioon… 4 da Martyr

Inna Lillah E Wa Inna Ilaieh E Raajioon :frowning:

The A-5s are ridiculously old planes - they must surely be approaching the end of their serviceable lifespan, as well as becoming obsolete as a weapon.

Inshallah the PAF will begin phasing out the A-5s soon - from reading the specifications of the plane, I really cannot see what the A-5 can do that cannot be done by the Mirage III/V that Pakistan has in large numbers.

Having said that, this article has a number of confusing elements.

It claims that two A-5s crashed, but then only gives details of one crash of an A-5.

In addition, it says that the second plane was a “Mushtaq Jet”. The PAF operates no plane with such a name. It operates a plane called the Mushaak, but this is a propellor driven planes and is not a jet.

I fear once more for the quality of Pakistani journalism :rolleyes:

This year so far PAF has beaten IAF...

Inna Lillah E Wa Inna Ilaieh E Raajioon

Is A5 the plane with the huge cannons?

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No, that's the A-10. The USA tried to sell Pakistan the A-10 in the 1980s, but Pakistan went for the F-16 instead.

The A-5 is a Chinese modification/upgrade of a 1950s Soviet interceptor/fighter design, that enables the plane to play the role of a bomber instead.

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Nice picture. So it doesn't have any guns? I always thought this was the plane with the large guns on it. I don't know why.

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Nice picture. So it doesn't have any guns?

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It has a 23mm cannon mounted in each of the two wing roots.

You're thinking of the US-made A-10, which has a whopping great big seven-barelled 30mm gatling cannon mounted in the nose.

very sad news, this is very not PAF like. But we have to admit that accidents do happen.

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it says that the second plane was a "Mushtaq Jet".

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It's called the "Mushack". This jet is used in the PAF academy risalpur to train beginner pilots. Also there is another one called the "Super Mushack", which is also used for the same purpose.

Who is going to be the next Shaheed? the guy who slipped from the rooftop? Gaadddddd shaheed hone ka koi standard bhi hona chahiye.

What's it to you who's shaheed or not? Ha anybody asked you why is it sikhs carry combs when it would be impossible to comb through the cloth?

http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/14/nat22.htm

Judge, please take a moment to click on the above link. It is in today’s Dawn.

Channji, read it for yourself. May be you are not a true Khalsa afterall.

Doesn't surprise me, I've met sikhs from Peshawar who don't have a bad word to say about the place. And that's supposed to be the badlands of Pakistan.

Yes Judge, I think that we ship Channji to Peshawar. Pathans will straighten him out. They will give him some idea about Shahadat as well.

Maddie, so what is the standard of what makes one a shaheed? I don't care whatever they are but I am sure it sounds odd to include accidental deaths into that category?

NYA, pathans and sardars can be very loving people. why are you so surprised about it?

Channji, I am sure Sardars are more loving and Mehman Nawaz than Pathans. That's why I don’t want to come visit you.

Its "Pashtun" or "Pakhtun" as far as I understand it Pathan is a somewhat derogatory term

Mufakkar, I didn’t know that referring to Naswar-Khors as Pathan was derogatory. I don’t think it is, Pathan is a term to denote roughly 5 dozen tribes and 18 million people (11 million in Pakistan and 7 in Afghanistan).

^ I am not a Pashtun myself but I have heard from numerous Pashtun friends and relatives that "Pathan" is a derogatory term when I asked them why they are addressed as Pathan by others. Pakhtun or Pashtun means people of the hills or people from the north as I have been told (Maybe Zakk can clear this up). Besides, Pashtuns are not the only naswar khors. Ever been to northern Punjab?

Pashtoon is no word.Its pukhtoon.And "naswar khoor" are more managed nation then "dall khoors"