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What was the population of Sindh in 1941 (Muslims & Non Muslim percentage)
How many people migrated both ways.
Population of Sindh in 1951 (again the proportion of muslims and non muslims).
Re: Two-Nation Theory v Most Favoured Nation (MFN) Status
Experience and drawing conclusion from it differs among people, I am glad to have history teacher in you:), Iqbal supported two nation theory or he asked for loose confederation of Muslim state within domain of India? I don’t know why Jinnah’s experience was different from Maulana Abul Kalam and Baccha Khan, nevertheless I am satisfied with the theory but not the way it was implemented:) I hope when human starts populating another planet our countries should migrate to seprate solar systems may be then we can have peace:)
Good one, appreciate it:k:
Of course comparing both countries is faulty, India was almost five times bigger then, and comparatively migration took place completely. Partition was most severe only in Punjab because Hindus and Muslims kept on living both in Sindh,Bengal and Baluchistan:)
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these days on Express tribune blogs
Mr Haider Nizamani sahib , and Ajmal Kamal sahib have been writing a lot , especially regarding the Sindh Experience , also what we know about Punjab's experience is also defective .
see regarding partition , there is a Muslim Narrative , then there is a Hindu Narrative and then there is a British Narrative , ... the Muslim Narrative in turn is heavily influenced by the " Nazaria-e-Pakistan " walay groups , it usually , uses , half truths, selective quotations and most likely absolute lies , basically to prove their point , or rather strengthen their Objective .
for quite some time , Hindu Narrative too was trapped in this " National narrative " but since the stress on Multi National theory as opposed to two nations construct they are slowly and surely coming out of it ...and British Narrative as we all know used British Colonial point of view ... interestingly this British Narrative appears as the most Objective of the three , and Mr Ishatiaq Ahmed has written Punjab : Blooded and Partitions a Magnus Opus of research using British secret papers and first hand narrative of survivors , also it took him over 20 years to do so , it too sometime leans toward the Musliam Narrative , but still is a first step in the right direction for an Objective assessment of what actually happened in Punjab .
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I have been posting the figures on a number of occasions , let me re caputlate
during partition
14.5 Million people were displaced
9.2 Million in Punjab , about 4.7 from east to West and 4.5 from West to east , plus about
10 lac punjabis were killed , though Mr Ishtiaq Ahmed puts this figure around 600,000 to 800,000
3.2 Million were displaced in Bengal
and 1.2 Million in Sindh .
there is a difference in the Migration in Punjab and Bengal with that of Sindh .
the Migrations in Punjab and Bengal were mostly in my opinion an engineered affair , deliberate , with ruthless disregard for human life , and it started well before , around a year or so earlier then the actual partition .
Direct action day , was engineered for Bengal , and saw the communal fire starting in Bengal , that fire then , entered Punjab when Pindi massacred of 5000-7000 Sikhs were engineered , to ensure no turning back .
Sindh's case is different , the migration from sindh started after 48 , the first ever curfew in the new born country was imposed in Karachi , in Jan 48 when new incoming zealots killed over 1000 non muslims , that created fear and panic and then 1.2 Milliion non muslims sindhis left for India ...... Period.
Haider Nizamani and Ajmal Kamal 's article regarding partition have a good healthy debate on it . you can read the good narrative from there , if interested...
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^ What ever happened in Punjab, we have a complete shift of people both ways with the result there are negligible Hindu/Sikhs here and similarly muslims on the other side. About 10 million people moved bothways 4million non muslims moved to India and about 6 million muslims moved towards Pakistan. In late 1940’s more than a quarter of Pakistani Punjab’s population composed of migrants. What happened in Sindh?
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Here is the link to Mr Nizamani’s sahib’s article
Who orchestrated the exodus of Sindhi Hindus after Partition?
Who orchestrated the exodus of Sindhi Hindus after Partition? – The Express Tribune
and Mr Ajmal Kamal’s article
The need to analyse past events
The need to analyse past events – The Express Tribune
for those who are interested.
and my own conclusion is , that it was pre-planned , methodical and ruthless , engineered by those who were not the resident of these three Muslim Majority Provinces .
and the evidence is ,
a) Direct Action day of Bengal
b) Pindi massacres of Sikhs , without any provocation
c) and the most important , the 3rd June Committe which decided on the partition , it had only Sikh representative named Baldev Singh , and NO BENGALI in it.
… Period
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One thing I fail to understand is that why were Punjab and Bengal divided in the first place?
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we must look at the 1936 Elections also the composition Of Muslim leaque
Muslim leaque like Congress was the British attempt to prepare a second tier local leadership , kind of loyal subjects from with , who could be used to rule .
Remember , never in the history of British India , were ever British more then 30,000-35,000 in number .
Congress was first created , but it created doubts in the mind of their Muslim subjects , so Muslims were encouraged to form Muslim leaque , remember Muslims always are divided in Rulers and ruled , Hakim and riyayaa .... thats why A Bengali Nawab 's house was used to form Muslim leaque
the first point in the charter of Muslim leque was
" .... Loyality the the British crown ....."
most of its Leaders including M A Jinnah were trained by British In Britian
they started claiming as the sole representatives of Muslims Interests , so when this claim was tested in the 1936's election , it fell flat .
Muslims leaque with a claim to be the sole representative of muslim interests bagged only 2 seats out 84 in Punjab , and 19 out of 129 seats in Bengal .
so much for the claim ...
it is at that point another group of British Loyalists the feudals were taken on board , and Jinnah - Sikandar pact is the example of it ...
with support from the Feudal group ensured , a massive campaign using religion and language was initiated , and the alienation process between Muslims and Hindus started , .... let me say , whenever there is a fire , there is smoke , so ...thing do were dicy , wiz a wiz religion sentimentalism ,
and that did the tirck , as the 46's election showed the effective result ....and the rest is history .
I have got a go .... may continue later ...
Re: Two-Nation Theory v Most Favoured Nation (MFN) Status
we must look at the 1936 Elections also the composition Of Muslim leaque
Muslim leaque like Congress was the British attempt to prepare a second tier local leadership , kind of loyal subjects from with , who could be used to rule . Remember , never in the history of British India , were ever British more then 30,000-35,000 in number . Congress was first created , but it created doubts in the mind of their Muslim subjects , so Muslims were encouraged to form Muslim leaque , remember Muslims always are divided in Rulers and ruled , Hakim and riyayaa .... thats why A Bengali Nawab 's house was used to form Muslim leaque
the first point in the charter of Muslim leque was
" .... Loyality the the British crown ....."
most of its Leaders including M A Jinnah were trained by British In Britian
they started claiming as the sole representatives of Muslims Interests , so when this claim was tested in the 1936's election , it fell flat .
Muslims leaque with a claim to be the sole representative of muslim interests bagged only 2 seats out 84 in Punjab , and 19 out of 129 seats in Bengal . so much for the claim ...
it is at that point another group of British Loyalists the feudals were taken on board , and Jinnah - Sikandar pact is the example of it ... with support from the Feudal group ensured , a massive campaign using religion and language was initiated , and the alienation process between Muslims and Hindus started , .... let me say , whenever there is a fire , there is smoke , so ...thing do were dicy , wiz a wiz religion sentimentalism , and that did the tirck , as the 46's election showed the effective result ....and the rest is history .
I have got a go .... may continue later ...
Thanks for your input with facts on 'do nazria fraud'. A long time ago I read somewhere that there was understanding between stake holders that there would be no migration after peaceful partition of India, whether it was said by Qauid or in Abul Kalam Azad's book "India Wins Freedom". If you have any knowledge about this please share.
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A nation can have people from many religions .
A religion can have people from many Nations . for example , take Christanity , it has , Germans, English, Japanese, Indians, British , Americans, Italians....etc.etc.etc.... People from many nations .
same is true of Islam or any other religion .
Unfortunately, most of the interpretations of Islam does not support your reasoning. If that is a false interpretation, then the right ones are definitely muffled or not voiced at all. (with the exception of some like you).
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^ what do you specifically mean by 'interpretations of islam'?