Once again, two Eids. It’s sad that we have no disagreement over the timing of any of the five prayers or Jumah but when it comes to the one prayer where we are supposed to celebrate, we are torn in two.
Can someone please explain the rationale of the group that continues to follow Saudi Arabia? Where is the legal or religious mandate for this? We are supposed to look at the moon, so whey the heck do we have to follow Saudi’s moon? Do you pray Fajr or Maghrib when it is Fajr or Maghrib in Saudi or in your place of residence?
TUMS, its that time of year again, to be jazbati :) The 'rationale' behind following Saudi for baqra-Eid is that the importance of THIS Eid lies in "Haj"/day-of-Arafa, not just slaughtering the sacrifice.
Allah has already shown us the right path and it is up to us to follow it! This needs to be discussed so those who think they are right and lead everybody else along with them but in reality are very wrong can think over. Majority of the times the decision of certain imam to have eid is driven by politics that "why should I do eid with Wahabis or why should I do what Saudis do..." and that type of narrow mindedness has been the ultimate cause of multiple Eids in the USA.
Muslims need to get themselves out of this situation and Allah is not going to come and spank those imams who deliberately lead us into hell and wrong way because their political and ideological flavors are incompatible with others. People KNOW when Eid is suppose to be and relying on Imam is stupidity on people's part.
Maddy Eid ul Azha is on the 10th day of Zil-Hajj and since u know the islamic month starts according to the new moon, the 10th day of the month would vary from region to region.
Celebrating Eid just cos its being celebrated in KSA is ridiculous, probably something that won;t be changing though. If you are able to see the moon in USA at the same time it would be okay but with each country's geographic location I doubt that can happen. The moon will appear in the west before it does in the east, just as the sun will appear in the east before it does in the west.
Celebrating Eid just cos its being celebrated in KSA is ridiculous, probably something that won;t be changing though. If you are able to see the moon in USA at the same time it would be okay but with each country's geographic location I doubt that can happen. The moon will appear in the west before it does in the east, just as the sun will appear in the east before it does in the west.
Well, that is one of the excuses you hear from the moulvies at certain masjids. They don't rely on moon sighting, they say we won't do EID on same day as wahabis are or as KSA is even if moon is seen and they would rather do it with their headquarters in Pakistan.. so the circle ends up looking like this:
Evening in East: Pakistan <No Eid) KSA <Eid due to moon sighting) >Africa <Eid ) USA USA brailvies <no eid because no moon was seen in Pakistan) Next day back to evening in East: Pakistan <Eid...) come over to USA and we have some folks celebrating EID because there was one in Pakistan.
This is what has been happening and trend which is being followed.
How about this:
Since all muslims no matter what their location is fall under the "UMMAH," why not have a rule where if moon is sighted in on place say Africa, Asia or europe or north/south americas, it automatically means that the next day it is eid for rest of the "ummah?" Due to time difference, every location can't have eid at the same time but it would give us a general rule to follow... say if one spots moon in Italy, it is eid for all the time zones after italy and then asians (china, india, pak, etc.) automatically hold Eid the next day... after USA has? Just an idea...
that’s easy. It was celebrated according to the spotting of the moon. This is according to several Sahabah, including Ibn Masud. They say that they celebrated Eid when it was seen in their land.
The hadith are so clear it’s unbelievable. If you see the moon, stop fasting (Eid Al Fitr). It is not a Wahhabi thing or a “Pakistani” thing. I know of people in this country who celebrate Eid according to the land they immigrated from (Jordanians, Qataris, etc).
I would like evidence, based on the hadith, sunnah, Quran or ijtema, that celebrating Eid according to Saudi Arabia is Halal. I would also like to know if they do the same thing for Eid Al Fitr and if not, why not?
It is a legitimate question to ask because the question of time and space must be discussed. Is prayer relevant to time and space or to something else? Again, don’t tell me “it makes sense to do this because that’s when the hajj ends.” GIVE ME EVIDENCE FROM AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES OR ADMIT THAT YOU ARE JUST MAKING STUFF UP AS YOU GO ALONG.
Great, let’s just anoint you Khalifa and take the suggestion to its logical conclusion. Who needs Sunna when you have Jaan Leva? Exactly who would “make up” this rule? Should we also pray Fajr and Maghrib at the same time and also open and break fast at the same time, I mean why not just make up this rule?
agar aap ne shuru mai hee "Sunnah or Quran" bol diya hota to baat yahan tuk na pohonchti ;)
Anyway, all these ideas/solutions you see are from people's/scholar's "ijmaa", if you can't find a solution to some problem in Quran or Sunnah then try your best, when doing something that effects en masse` then you do 'mashwara' amongst you and pray that Allah swt add baraka into it.
It was just an idea since many people like to whine and moan about the fact that Muslims celebrate multiple eids but don't really care about prayer timings.
For something like that to work, you need a world organization with people in it from different small groups in various regions... and only time they meet is before Ramadan and end of Ramadan. They announce if there is Eid and which areas will (depending on time zones, etc.) will celebrate eid. That is the logical solution since we are too stupid to do this on our own in our localities. And everybody in those localities WANTS ONE EID!!! :D
It may not be according to "sunnah" but atleast people will get ONE eid and for once, we can end cries of certain muslims who decry multiple eids while that is the only time they see the light of Islamic side in western countries.
At the end of the day, I don't expect Muslims to organize them in such fashion... we would be lucky if eid falls on same day for everyone. Consider it a gift from Allah and move on and wait till next year. You do it, you do it, they will do it, they can do it, they might do it is attitude of losers and we may just accept that fact when we fail to take our own religion seriously. Let common sense and logic prevail when other solutions are failing and it will be in conformity with Sunnah.
It is not about convincing. The eid would be announced when moon is spotted, the moon will do the convincing part. I know, what you mean: It is hard but there is no convicing left when MOON has been seen! Then, if either one denies that they will not celebrate the eid even after the moon has been seen by the group of Muslims (not just one person)... then we know who is doing what and what is the reason behind it.
When it has been sighted, you announce the eids - that is it. Since, announcement will be endorsed (as all of them will first see the moon before doing anything else) by all those who are in the group of observers, no body in the local communities would have any objection to it.
Can we please not argue over it and make references to any particular groups?
Different people have different sources for what they believe in, so lets leave it at that.
Yes, it's a shame that we don't have any consensus on Eid and other important events, but I think we can do without mentioning names of any groups or sects.
In addition, I believe there are two ahadith. One states that you can celebrate Eid if moon's been sighted anywhere in the globe, whereas there's another one that states that you should go with your local area. I could be wrong, but that's what I can remember from the top of my head. If I get a chance, I'll try to find something on it.
