Re: Two Eids Again in North America
The only reason I mentioned "Brelvi" group is that in my local area they (almost) always manage to find a way to celebrate Eid on a different day than rest of Muslim population.
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Eid should celebrated if the moon is sighted in your area (city/province/counry), atleast that's what I have been thaught.
Man, these barelvis.. :(
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cricketplaya, its just not 'brelvis', decision regarding this issue has been changed many a times in our own masjid.... sometimes to follow Saudi for both Eids, sometimes just for BaqraEid, sometimes for none, its all of us who are confused.
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Yes true, I was just relating to their other practices..
I know that most arabs just follow saudi.. and sometimes the pakis too they follow the paki/indians..etc..
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Last time I checked, it's called Eid Al Adha, not Eid Al Hajj so I believe that argument carries little water from a proof perspective. Also, enough with "please please don't talk about this..." I mean, if we can have a thread entitled, "Your Valentine this year?" in the Cafe section, we can take a thread about an interesting and important topic in the RELIGION section. Otherwise, shut down this web site.
Again, proof por favor. Otherwise stop parroting other opinions simply because "you think there is a hadith out there."
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Last year, 52 canadian muslim organizations were in conference till 11 at nite to decide if there is Eid the next day. After 12 hours of debate - some said yes, some said no AT MIDNIGHT! People had work next day .... :)
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Both viewpoints are endorsed by a lot of scholars. Believe it or not, even scholars from KSA argue that Eid should be celebrated according to local sightings. What SHOULD be done is that in a local area, city, or province, the scholars should jointly decide what they'll ALL be doing this year- either following ANY country where the moon is sighted first, or following local sightings.
Anyway, from your topic, if you want one eid in ALL of north america, then how exactly are you following the rule of "local" sightings? I think even you aren't clear as to what should be done.. but just want to vent..
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A lot of seemingly "fantastic" ideas presented in this thread are already extensively discussed and opined upon by great scholars and people far more knowledgable about these issues. No one disputes that Eid, like start of any muslim month, is decided by sighting of the moon. What is the length and breadth of the area on which sighting of the moon should impact remains a hot topic of discussion, with no single answer. Some say, the entire world, since now the communication methods allow information transmittal in seconds, as opposed to the time it took a messanger on the horse to transmit such a news. Most other scholars have devised a set diameter in miles or time-distance etc.
Eid ul Adha is especially interesting since there is a significant convergance on the opinion that it should always follow the Day of Ara'faat. Only for some to argue that this will confuse the Islamic calendar in rest of the world.
I don't think any of the opinions are necessarily wrong. Pretty much most of them originate from the same source facts. In addition, this "difference" is not necessarily problematic or symptamatic of vast problems in the Muslim ummah. You can just follow what you feel is appropriate and makes you comfortable.
Lastly, in the time of khulafa-e-rashideen when the Islamic nation had spread far and wide, I don't recall reading any significant emphasis placed on making sure all muslims in all parts of the world remain united in celebrating Eid. My impression is that muslims will watch the moon in their locations and celebrate accordingly. Wa'llah o Aalim.
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By the way, there are multiple opinions on the start of time for Asar (Shafa’yee start much earlier than Hanafi), as well as Maghrib (fiqh Jafariya starts late), amongst various scholars of Islam. So it is incorrect to suggest that Eid is the only time where there are “disagreements”. Just wanted to clarify.
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By the way, there are multiple opinions on the start of time for Asar (Shafa’yee start much earlier than Hanafi), as well as Maghrib (fiqh Jafariya starts late), amongst various scholars of Islam. So it is incorrect to suggest that Eid is the only time where there are “disagreements”. Just wanted to clarify.
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I appreciate your answer but your last paragraph seems to negate the earlier paragraphs. I am not looking to stir things up, nor do I have an agenda. What proof exists justifying the position that Eid may be celebrated according to Saudi Arabia, or the day after Arafat seeing that the Hujjaj do not pray Eid as it is?
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There is no negation, per se, as my whole point is that either way has a reasonable basis. This “disunity” used to trouble me a lot early on, but not any more. This is part of the beauty of Islam. There are multiple ways to the same end. You don’t have to prove other to be wrong, in order to prove that you are right. Both may be correct.
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It is very negligible but this can’t be compared to a difference of full day or more…
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I think you attitude is tolerant to a fault. If we start accepting new mannerisms into our practice of the faith, without any proof or precedence, we might as well let people eat pork and drink. You have not mentioned any specific evidence, that is my burning question.
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Thats precisely the flaw in your indignation. I don’t think there are any “new mannerism” involved here. There are reasonable arguments to support both viewpoints. The following article, summarizes them. It also concludes upon the issue by offering TWO valid and sharia-compliant opinions.
It is therefore, not appropriate to condemn any of them and to insist that only one is the right approach.
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Faisal: your link makes my point for me. I'm simply asking about the validity of celebrating Eid according to Saudi Arabia. Either you didn't understand what I was initially asking or you didn't read the entire article you just posted.
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Personally I don't care for following Saudi Arabia per se. However I respect the argument that all muslims around the world should have a consistent and uniform calendar. This means that whereever the moon is sighted first, everyone follows. If Saudi Arabian authorities manage to sight the moon first (with rare exceptions, like Libya etc) then be it.
At the same time, there is also a credible argument that muslims in each locality should sight the moon and keep their own calendar.
My point was simply, that both of these arguments are reasonable, though seemingly contrary. Neither of them causes me any heart-ache. These are two right answers to the same question. Whether you like it or not.
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^ Sunnah holds the right answer. If only people refer to it.
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^ Oversimplification may not be the right answer, though. Many of these issues require more knowledgable deduction than just plain reading of some historic incident.
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what's the harm in setting arbitraty times or celebrating multiple times.. it's all made up anyway..