This thread is for Captain1 saab who told me in some other thread that despite the fact the twelvers follow a difference ideology, reject sahaba are closer to Sunnis.. please explain.
Re: twelvers
12ers shias are out of the fold of Islam because of
believing in 12 sinless, infallible Imams whose status is higher than all Prophets and Messengers,
cursing the Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam and Mothers of Believers and scores of other reasons.
There is a consensus / agreement (Ijma') of Ummah in this regard, therefore Hanafis, Malikis, Shafi'is, Deobandis, Barelivis, Salafis/Wahabis all are united that 12er shias are out of the fold of Islam.
There are a few scholars who consider 12er shias Muslims, but their number is negligible against the consensus of Ummah so they don't represent the stand of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'at.
Re: twelvers
That sect was created after Iran was concured. Its main aim is to create disturbence among muslims.
They are involed in the murder of 3 khulfa-e rashdeen, Sayyedna Umer:razi:, Sayyedna Utham 
and Sayyedna Ali .
Yes, they created hatered among muslims by rumours and abusing khulfa. They accused Sayyedna Ali also because on the khilafat, he made an agreement with Mawiyah . Shia raised the issue that Imam is chosen from Allah and it i is only right of decendents for Sayyedna Ali (they say only to create disturbence, on the other hands, they have no love for them) so how Sayyedna Ali can make any other person
khalifa?
Re: twelvers
Twelvers - sorry to pop your cherry but thats wrong dude
Follow Islam from where it was born and it shall always remain that way.
Re: twelvers
omg you seem to be confusing the twelvers with the khuwarij. the latter were involved in the killing of hz. usman and hz. ali
Re: twelvers
twelvers or the "ithna asharia".
they wrongfully believe that Imam mahdi took the real Quran and is naudhubillah "hiding in a cave" and will come out one day.
this belief is a great insult to the Holy Quran. they believe that the Sahaba changed the Holy Quran, naudhubillah.
they also deem it a requirement to believe in the "12 imams". they consider this to be a tenet of faith.
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please visit it to gain more understanding about the heretics and their wrong beliefs so you can save yourself from confusion.
there are plenty of lectures and articles available.
Re: twelvers
Read your own comments here:
Now where is 12'er (Ithna-Ashari) in this comment? You regarded all Shias as 12'er, which I believe is not correct, there is a sect in Shias who believe that the Quran we have is not accurate/complete.
Above all, they pronounce same kalima as rest of us, they believe in Prophet Mohammed PBUH as last messenger. How does it equate or make them closer to Hinduism?
Lets not push each other outside fold of Islam based on our understanding of other's faith.
Re: twelvers
^ :k: what an ignorant bunch we have here. :halo:
Re: twelvers
Thanks Mooli bhai for support.. Captain saab, 12ers are driving the shia school of thought.. Shias are 12ers in majority.. hence, when I used “shia” it was meant to refer to them.
Re: twelvers
^ quas: do you have stats of who is in majority? Also, have YOU yourself read an authentic book by Ithna Ashari scholars about their belief? or are you relying on studies of someone else?
Re: twelvers
No, I haven’t read the book but I think they’re in majority.. rt? correct me if I am wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelvers
The site they are 80%.. my shia friends have told me the same..
Re: twelvers
If you haven’t read a book then don’t make a claim, I’d be interested if you had their faith book and could share it via scans etc. Besides, don’t use Wikepdia for “facts” 
Re: twelvers
ignorant losers
Re: twelvers
OMG which sources have u consulted?
Re: twelvers
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omg you seem to be confusing the twelvers with the khuwarij.
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exactly what I thought ...but
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the latter were involved in the killing of hz. usman and hz. ali
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khawarij killed only Ali(as) ,not Hz Uthman
khawarij also considered Umar(ra) and AbuBakr(ra) as the rightful caliphs.....but thought that the latter 2 caliphs deviated from their conduct thus they became apostates intially though they supported Ali(as)]
Re: twelvers
the usool-e-kaafi.
go to any shia bargah and ask them for access to the library.
ask the shia imam there on what basis do they reject the Khulafatur Rashideen.
ask them to provide you with the writings of their scholars.
Re: twelvers
go to any shia bargah and ask them for access to the library.
ask the shia imam there on what basis do they reject the Khulafatur Rashideen.
ask them to provide you with the writings of their scholars.
have you done it yourself? just curious.
Re: twelvers
Kiyoon? Wikipedia is an internationally accepted web-site for information. App wiki se inni nafrat kiyoon kartey ho? I will get a copy of the book and then I will prove my point.. aap ne twelvers ke chakkar mein pad kar lose hi karna hai!
Re: twelvers
Wikipedia is nothing but a neem-mulla, neem-hakeem website written by any redneck, jaahil (with internet capability).... cannot be used for facts reference. Atleast I am not using Bollywood to get my faith's approval, unlike you.
Re: twelvers
Well, at least one 12er of note is Presidident NutJob himself. Just for giggles I am posting this, although it gives me just a little chill to do so.
****** WSJ: Scholar Warns Iran’s Ahmadinejad May Have ‘Cataclysmic Events’ In Mind For August 22
Tue Aug 08 2006 10:22:35 ET
In a WALL STREET JOURNAL op-ed Tuesday, Princeton’s Bernard Lewis writes: “There is a radical difference between the Islamic Republic of Iran and other governments with nuclear weapons. This difference is expressed in what can only be described as the apocalyptic worldview of Iran’s present rulers.”
“In Islam as in Judaism and Christianity, there are certain beliefs concerning the cosmic struggle at the end of time – Gog and Magog, anti-Christ, Armageddon, and for Shiite Muslims, the long awaited return of the Hidden Imam, ending in the final victory of the forces of good over evil, however these may be defined.”
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “and his followers clearly believe that this time is now, and that the terminal struggle has already begun and is indeed well advanced. It may even have a date, indicated by several references by the Iranian president to giving his final answer to the US about nuclear development by Aug. 22,” which this year corresponds "to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to ‘the farthest mosque,’ usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1).
“This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind.”
Developing…
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
******Coincidentally Ahmadinejad has set August 22nd as the date that Iran will respond to the UN demands and EUs incentive package.
Hmmmm.