There is no shame left in these Islamist beardos. A simple headscarf ban results in death of the judge.
Now they are killing innocent judges and other government officials right in the work place. May Allah burn these terrorists in hell forever.
Thousands march against Turk judge killing
18 May 2006 14:23:08 GMT
Source: Reuters
Turkish protesters march to the mausoleum of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of modern and secular Turkey, as they condemn the attack on judges in Ankara May 18, 2006. A gunman opened fire in Turkey’s top administrative court on Wednesday, killing one judge and injuring four other judges in a shooting which the country’s leaders condemned as an attack on its secular establishment.
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The headscarf was issued in a time when there was rampant lawlessness in arabia. Women were seen as possessions and taken by men who were the strongest and fierciest among their tribes.
Basically women were competed over by rival men.
It was then that Women should be covered so to avoid the gaze of men who might do harm to them.
Times have changed and so the whole head scarf issue has to change as well.
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The headscarf thing may change now but it does not have to be imposed as a change. If people feel comfortable wearing it then you don't have the right to take it away. It is not obscene or vulgar or disrespectful to wear a headscarf.
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Thats true. But Turkey has some very good reasons. Its a Secular Islamic State which means Islamic law does not dictate its governmental issues.
Turkey wants to avoid the militantism which has gripped the rest of the middle east by making everyone equal without the head scarf but so far it has caused militantism.
But I understand Turkey's point of view.
The whole Head Scarf thing is in itself making muslim men ignorant of women.
If a woman goes without a headscarf all the men start staring at her and groping her.
I know this because each time I visit Pakistan, I have to be a body guard to my sister, her friends when they go shopping in Lahore (Gulberg, Liberty, Fortress) those areas. All the men gather around and start looking at them.
Headscarf induces ignorance among men.
The use of the Headscarf in its original context was necessary.
Arabia was a dangerous place for women so women needed to be protected. But with modern societies, proper establishment of rule of law, agencies that deal with these issues has made it possible for a woman to be independent and strong without the need to cover herself and need protection.
But in backward parts of Pakistan and other islamic countries, the head scarf is seen as a way to subjucate women rather than protect them.
Basically, the old tribal way of life has been justified with islamic rules which were written for the 6th century Arabia.
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Turkey, and to some extent, most European countries are becoming a victim of their own forced-liberal policies. IMO, forcing people to not wear something is same as forcing them to wear something. Unless, ofcourse, you take aim at hate crimes e.g. people wear dresses with hate messages against other communities. I see no difference between Taliban forcing their women to wear burqaa (a stance I firmly believe is wrong) and Turkey or France forcing their women to go bare-headed (again, a stance I firmly believe is wrong). Their should be basic dress codes against nudity etc (judged by the morality of the people in general), and then folks should be free to dress as they like.
I can see how and why violent Islamic groups in Turkey are equating these judges as a symbol of forcing their women to remove a, quote-unquote, "Islamic dress". Though, I presume the way modern Turkish constitution is written, I don't see how judges could rule any other way. If they do, they will be called "activist judges" by the establishment and removed from their positions, anyway.
Re: Turkey this time: Islamists murder judge for headscarf ban
Turkey wants to avoid the militantism which has gripped the rest of the middle east by making everyone equal without the head scarf but so far it has caused militantism.
But I understand Turkey's point of view.
The whole Head Scarf thing is in itself making muslim men ignorant of women.
If a woman goes without a headscarf all the men start staring at her and groping her.
I know this because each time I visit Pakistan, I have to be a body guard to my sister, her friends when they go shopping in Lahore (Gulberg, Liberty, Fortress) those areas. All the men gather around and start looking at them.
Headscarf induces ignorance among men.
The use of the Headscarf in its original context was necessary.
Arabia was a dangerous place for women so women needed to be protected. But with modern societies, proper establishment of rule of law, agencies that deal with these issues has made it possible for a woman to be independent and strong without the need to cover herself and need protection.
But in backward parts of Pakistan and other islamic countries, the head scarf is seen as a way to subjucate women rather than protect them.
Basically, the old tribal way of life has been justified with islamic rules which were written for the 6th century Arabia.
Secular Islamic state. Now thats an oxymoron. Laws being secular and state being Islamic. I think the population follows Islam not that it is an Islamic state. The laws of an Islamic state should conform with the proper religous edicts.
A lot of things change over time and one of those is that the hijad today has been thought to symbolize something it is not. Let us see now whether hijad has more disadvantages or disadvantages.
Where does it say that wearing a headscarf makes people un equal. Do you think if your it makes people un equal. And when you say un equal what are you comparing against for equality i.e. Non-muslims, if yes I don't as a muslim you need to be or want to be equal to them as Allah says in the Quran countless places is the one who can see the same as the one who is blind or is the one does good the same as the one who does evil.
You said that a headscarf induces ignorance in men. Can you please explain that. I have a lot of hijab people who family friends or move around in society however they do not feel subjugated to anyone. My point being people start symbolizing things for what they are not. Headscarf is not a symbol of subjugation unless you start saying that it is. Its like claiming the world is not round for the next two centuriues and people will start believing that. You said it yourself its to protect women, well what are they protecting. I guess its their modesty as Allah ash commanded to do so. They are putting there faith on display not their looks as Allah has commanded to do so. Is that wrong?
So are Nuns who cover up also subjugated. Does any in western or europeon society say that about their covering up. I don't think so. But muslim women covering up are subjugated. And gullible muslims like you are actually promoting their point of view rather than understanding what it is really meant for in our own religion. Do men of today not have lust for women as they did 1400 years ago. Are men of today not naturally attracted to women today as they were hundreds of years ago.
We need to correct the perception of a headscarf not shun it. People including women used to perform tawaf around the Kaba stark naked and they never felt any shame or fear. Wonder why, probably because they got used to their shameless attitudes.
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Everywhere muslims go they are suppresed, oppressed and depressed. Even in muslim countries like turkey.
If turkey bans ‘islamic headgear’ it becomes enshrined as a necessary action under the sacred institutions of ‘secularism and liberty’
If a muslim country had done the same to a different community, lets say the money lenders, the world would be demoaning it as an act of religous supression and evidence of the intolerance of islam.
Which is being democratically challenged by the muslim constituency, who are in turn being oppressed by the strong arm tactics of their atheist army.
Thats a rather strange tangent. Would you care to develop this insight further?
Which proves the necessity for women to cover themselves in public and travel with a mehram.
If a women goes shopping in j/n-ewyork she is very likely to be raped and molested by every man that sees her. Contrast the rate of rape in the morally decadent non-muslim countries versus any pious muslim nation.
A women can’t even enter public transport without being groped.
Most non-muslim men are perverted individuals that are always leering at women and have sex on their minds 24/7.
In islam women aren’t allowed to dress like strippers or prostitutes, nor are their bodies paraded around to increase corporate profit.
Islam is a complete way of life for all time. Period.
Re: Turkey this time: Islamists murder judge for headscarf ban
Abdulllah,
I do not know what you think and where you get the facts. First get your facts right:
Not every woman who walks by is raped in New york. I think western countries with their open society and a better policing force than the muslim nations has a higher % reporting the crime than in any of the muslim countries. Also, the social structure in western countries allow women to come out publicly against these criminals, unlike the west.
I very strongly object to your stagtement that non-muslim men are perverted individuals. I find that people in a closed society (like most of the middle east) are bigger perverts than any American or Brazilian society.
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turkey wants to be part of EU. They have to have liberal secular laws. Imo turkey is going in the right direction. I think Malaysia and Turkey are two liberal Islamic countries. you can see their economic progess compared to other muslim countries. It is the way to go, if u want progress.
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May be you know killing the person with opposite thought is called purging, and this has always been done by dictators/ fundamentalists. History shows that such things have always taken regions where purging happened backward in creativity leading to backwardness in economic region and finally decay of those cultures.....
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The countries which impose too much of islam everywhere are lagging behind then those countries that are more liberal.
There is no such thing as too much of Islam. Either is incomplete implementation or complete. We have no country which properly implements Islam or its population adhere to proper Islamic life. So the argument of too much Islam is not correct. Countries which have mixed their laws with half western/europeon laws and half Islamic laws are the ones where Islam has totally gone out of control. The truth is that there is no true Islamic society today at a state level. None of the populations even remotely follow proper Islamic guidelines in their daily lives.
I think the issues facing many muslim majority countries today is corruption not Islam. Islam would have eliminated corruption if given the chance. Todays muslims have totally distorted the Islamic heritage.
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Hey good to see Syed, and some others irrespective of flawed or good logic putting points here...
Though I see SILLY, and his friends missing from here.... may be they are more India centric..
Again.... intlerance to the level of purging shouldn't be acceptable......
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Don't you see the light? Oh hazrat sahib! Islam the way it is being touted by Egyptian Moolahs is simply not "implementable".
Good practices get adopted without coercion. You don't have to be forced to buy Honda or toyota. You know it, Tom knows it, Dick knows it, and even Harry knows it too. That Honda and Toyota are the standards for reliable and fuel efficient vehicles.
To tell you the truth, even you are not convinced that Islamic system is practical, so do Tom, Dick, and Harry.
How do I know it? Because you my dear are living in the land of Tom, Dick, and Harry, and no one is forcing you to live there.
And you have proven by your actions (Aamaal), intentions (Niyyat), and "submission" to the West that your adopted home is more "islamic" (read "Just" and "peaceful") compared to any holy land or even a holy sand.
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First of all, are you even Muslim? Why would you call them “Islamist” ‘beardos’ when beards are obligatory in Islam and what’s wrong with wanting an Islamic state (I assume that is what you mean by “Islamist”)??? And the headscarf ban is NO WHERE near “simple”. Banning the hijab is taking away the right of women to cover themselves and those “Islamists” have a right to be outraged. Islam is being threatened and that’s how they react- and if you really are actually a Muslim you would not say something like “may Allah burn these terrorists in hell forever.” They are Muslim and most probably, better Muslims than you. Though the means that gunman used may have been wrong, what he is fighting for is not. And don’t think that I am trying to justify the murder of that judge. Indeed, the person who did it was wrong but calling the ban on the hijab simple and asking Allah to throw them in hell makes it seem as if you aren’t even a Muslim. Just by reading what you I can tell that you haven’t read many hadith or know much about Islam.
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What are you, a materialist? Does Islam even matter to you or are you one of those "modern" so called Muslims who like to make up their own rules. The shari'a is what we are commanded to follow, not some secular man made laws. Abandoning Islam for some "economic progress" and material wealth is called KUFR. You can't be secular and Muslim at the same time (duh)
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Good practices get adopted without coercion. You don't have to be forced to buy Honda or toyota. You know it, Tom knows it, Dick knows it, and even Harry knows it too. That Honda and Toyota are the standards for reliable and fuel efficient vehicles.
To tell you the truth, even you are not convinced that Islamic system is practical, so do Tom, Dick, and Harry.
How do I know it? Because you my dear are living in the land of Tom, Dick, and Harry, and no one is forcing you to live there.
And you have proven by your actions (Aamaal), intentions (Niyyat), and "submission" to the West that your adopted home is more "islamic" (read "Just" and "peaceful") compared to any holy land or even a holy sand.
Tom, Dick, Harry? Are you on crack or something? Alcohol? Maybe you just need to learn better English because that is hardly comprehensible
Everywhere muslims go they are suppresed, oppressed and depressed. Even in muslim countries like turkey.