Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

For your comments:

Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion.
The country’s powerful Department of Religious Affairs has commissioned a team of theologians at Ankara University to carry out a fundamental revision of the Hadith, the second most sacred text in Islam after the Koran.
The Hadith is a collection of thousands of sayings reputed to come from the Prophet Muhammad.
As such, it is the principal guide for Muslims in interpreting the Koran and the source of the vast majority of Islamic law, or Sharia.
This is kind of akin to the Christian Reformation. Not exactly the same, but… it’s changing the theological foundations of [the] religion
Fadi Hakura,
Turkey expert, Chatham House
But the Turkish state has come to see the Hadith as having an often negative influence on a society it is in a hurry to modernise, and believes it responsible for obscuring the original values of Islam.
It says that a significant number of the sayings were never uttered by Muhammad, and even some that were need now to be reinterpreted.
**‘Reformation’ **
Commentators say the very theology of Islam is being reinterpreted in order to effect a radical renewal of the religion.
Its supporters say the spirit of logic and reason inherent in Islam at its foundation 1,400 years ago are being rediscovered. Some believe it could represent the beginning of a reformation in the religion.
Some messages ban women from travelling without their husband’s permission… But this isn’t a religious ban. It came about because it simply wasn’t safe for a woman to travel alone
Prof Mehmet Gormez,
Hadith expert,
Department of Religious Affairs
Turkish officials have been reticent about the revision of the Hadith until now, aware of the controversy it is likely to cause among traditionalist Muslims, but they have spoken to the BBC about the project, and their ambitious aims for it.
The forensic examination of the Hadiths has taken place in Ankara University’s School of Theology.
An adviser to the project, Felix Koerner, says some of the sayings - also known individually as “hadiths” - can be shown to have been invented hundreds of years after the Prophet Muhammad died, to serve the purposes of contemporary society.
“Unfortunately you can even justify through alleged hadiths, the Muslim - or pseudo-Muslim - practice of female genital mutilation,” he says.
“You can find messages which say ‘that is what the Prophet ordered us to do’. But you can show historically how they came into being, as influences from other cultures, that were then projected onto Islamic tradition.”

HAVE YOUR SAY Many Hadiths relate to life in the Middle East 1,400 years ago and are no longer relevant
Brian, London
Send us your commentsThe argument is that Islamic tradition has been gradually hijacked by various - often conservative - cultures, seeking to use the religion for various forms of social control.
Leaders of the Hadith project say successive generations have embellished the text, attributing their political aims to the Prophet Muhammad himself.
**Revolutionary **
Turkey is intent on sweeping away that “cultural baggage” and returning to a form of Islam it claims accords with its original values and those of the Prophet.

Women are re-examining their portrayal in the scriptures
But this is where the revolutionary nature of the work becomes apparent. Even some sayings accepted as being genuinely spoken by Muhammad have been altered and reinterpreted.
Prof Mehmet Gormez, a senior official in the Department of Religious Affairs and an expert on the Hadith, gives a telling example.
"There are some messages that ban women from travelling for three days or more without their husband’s permission and they are genuine.
“But this isn’t a religious ban. It came about because in the Prophet’s time it simply wasn’t safe for a woman to travel alone like that. But as time has passed, people have made permanent what was only supposed to be a temporary ban for safety reasons.”
The project justifies such bold interference in the 1,400-year-old content of the Hadith by rigorous academic research.
Prof Gormez points out that in another speech, the Prophet said “he longed for the day when a woman might travel long distances alone”.
So, he argues, it is clear what the Prophet’s goal was.
Original spirit
Yet, until now, the ban has remained in the text, and helps to restrict the free movement of some Muslim women to this day.
There’s also violence against women within families, including sexual harassment… This does not exist in Islam… we have to explain that to them
Hulya Koc, a “vaize”
As part of its aggressive programme of renewal, Turkey has given theological training to 450 women, and appointed them as senior imams called “vaizes”.
They have been given the task of explaining the original spirit of Islam to remote communities in Turkey’s vast interior.
One of the women, Hulya Koc, looked out over a sea of headscarves at a town meeting in central Turkey and told the women of the equality, justice and human rights guaranteed by an accurate interpretation of the Koran - one guided and confirmed by the revised Hadith.
She says that, at the moment, Islam is being widely used to justify the violent suppression of women.
“There are honour killings,” she explains.
"We hear that some women are being killed when they marry the wrong person or run away with someone they love.
“There’s also violence against women within families, including sexual harassment by uncles and others. This does not exist in Islam… we have to explain that to them.”
‘New Islam’
According to Fadi Hakura, an expert on Turkey from Chatham House in London, Turkey is doing nothing less than recreating Islam - changing it from a religion whose rules must be obeyed, to one designed to serve the needs of people in a modern secular democracy.
He says that to achieve it, the state is fashioning a new Islam.
“This is kind of akin to the Christian Reformation,” he says.
"Not exactly the same, but if you think, it’s changing the theological foundations of [the] religion. "
Fadi Hakura believes that until now secularist Turkey has been intent on creating a new politics for Islam.
Now, he says, “they are trying to fashion a new Islam.”
Significantly, the “Ankara School” of theologians working on the new Hadith have been using Western critical techniques and philosophy.
They have also taken an even bolder step - rejecting a long-established rule of Muslim scholars that later (and often more conservative) texts override earlier ones.
“You have to see them as a whole,” says Fadi Hakura.
"You can’t say, for example, that the verses of violence override the verses of peace. This is used a lot in the Middle East, this kind of ideology.
“I cannot impress enough how fundamental [this change] is.”

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Its ok, this was expected.

In sahih bukhari, in the book of virtue of knowledge, the Prophet pbuh, warns people of this. The day ignorance prevails, and knowledge dies with the ullema.

May Allah swt grant us the taufeeq to learn from the ullema, to follow in their footsteps, and give us panha from this ignorance, and allow our ummah to stay on the right path and not of those who create fitnah and spread ignorance. Ameen.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Its not necessarily an awful thing, as one might assume at first glance. It seems they are trying to put things into todays context. I.E. electric chair instead of stoning etc.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Salam
By disposing hadiths and creating a reformation? As if our deen was not complete? When in the Quran Allah has said that he has completed his deen for you today.

A Muhadith would argue otherwise with these "professors".

What can you expect from a country, which had a hijab ban in place and is one of the most secularist "islamic" nations.
Making a mockery out of their heritage.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

That's why the Quran cannot be changed, but hadith isn't granted that protection.

Give it a chance, perhaps they'll end up doing great things. One can retain their core values and still progress. Without progression, there's no point in living. We must always better ourselves as individuals, and as a society.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

If Iamam Bukhari(RA) had the right to reject a Hadees based on its broken chain of narration or lack of tawatur. Why can't some one else equally pious as Bukhari reject hadees if it contradicts common logic , Quran , sunnah , and another saheeh hadees ?

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

  1. Please dont compare someone like him to the likes of Imam Bukhari
  2. You're telling me for over a thousand years muslims have been following something that has been contradictary to the Quran?

Excuse me, but you can join this reformation of "Islam". And contradict the statement I've posted above in the Quran about the deen being complete.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

  1. Imam Bukhari was not the only pious man on the face of earth , was he ? I do not have any doubts about him being pious, but there are others in this day and age who are equally pious and qualified to revisit Sahih Bukhari.
  2. No, Many Muslim have not been following contradictory things contained in Sahih Bukhari for more than 1000 years. Nobody is saying Deen is not complete it is our eman and Quran is witness to that. Quran is not witness to Shahih Bukhari being absolutely correct. Yes Sahih Bukhari has many hadees which need to be revisited. For fear of derailing the thread I will not go into that. Please do your own research on that topic. Disclaimer: I am not munkir a hadees and I accept many , many , many Ahadees from Sahih Bukhari. But I do not un conditionally accept all the Ahadees from Sahih Bukhari.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

These are your thoughts alone, and not the thoughts of majority of the Sunni Ullema. So to each it's own.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Audhubillah...May Allah protect us from the fitnah.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Anybody can misunderstand and be ignorant of something, Ulema's are no exception.
Quran does not specify a qualification to understand and implement it in your life. Do you have to have a Master's degree from a darul uloom to understand Quran and examine hadees ?
Quran itself says that we have made it easy, then it challenges believers to ponder on it, but it does not say that you have to be an Alim to understand and ponder on it.
If Quran itself invites an average Joe to ponder on Quran then why an average Joe not ponder on Hadess and examine it.
This simple religion has been converted to a 'gorak dhanda' by those who say that you need certain qualifications to understand deen. They are same people who have monopoly on the religion. It is same mentality as those of Ulema a Ahal a Kitab which has been mentioned in Quran.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

It depends upon the "intention" of the people. In case of Turks, i would be very skeptic, they probably just want to re-arrange Islam to follow their own agenda.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Muslims have been following things contrary to Sahih Bukhari for ages, and i am talking of mainstream muslims and scholars.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts


Logic dictates that if Allah said in Quran that the deen was complete and hadith weren't collected until 200 years after the revelation of the Quran (and not followed widely until some time after that), then following hadith is not part of the original deen.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

^Please spare us the logical explanations of yours. Especially one who follows Christian Church should be very much observing the scene rather than participating directly.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

REally? So If I come to you one day, and ask you to provide me the context the timing, the historical detail, the narrators, the event, the person in question, for the revelation of ALL the ayahs, and what they mean, and **ALL **the Hadees (which lets say you believe from Bukhari).

You're saying, you'd be able to tell me all because everyone innately has some sort of wisdom of these things?

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts


For goodness sake, let's not be logical! It's much more comfy to follow centuries old tradition, even if it means throwing logic to the wayside.

BTW, I don't "follow the Christian Church". Either way, a belief in the traditional interpretation of Islam isn't required to point out logic.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

:salam:

Crescent bhai, I agree with Mirch. I think you are looking at his views too superficially. Ahadith are probably the most secure historical context available to us but not fool proof. Definitely we have to laud the efforts of those who collected ahadith and preserved them to the best of their capabilities. Hadith are an implementation of wisdom rooted in the Quran but not a majority of the core principles themselves. For example, you cannot read about the Sirah just from ahadith, you reply on historical accounts, almost all of which has sprung from Ibn Ishaq (which does not even exist today).

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Either I lack the wisdom , or you do or you have doubts about Allah's wisdom who says in Quran :
We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn? [54:18]
The same Allah who proclaims as above must have provided us the wisdom to learn. No ?
I am sure by easy to learn allah does not mean that we would reconize the alphabets and learn to just read it not understand it.

Why do you need some superficial details to catch the message of Allah?

I also gave a disclaimer in my earlier statement that I accept many , many , many Ahadees from Bukhari but not All. In my case same goes for all the books of Ahadees and earlier commentaries of Quran.

Re: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

^You need to keep one thing in mind. Allah sent Quran and sent a Prophet saw, who demonstrated the teachings of Quran. Prophet saw established a society as well that worked in accordance of Quran.

Disconnecting the Quran from Prophet saw and the society he established is erronous. One cannot understand the true meaning of Quran by reading the Quran alone.