Tujhey hum wali samajhtey, ju naa badaa-khawaar* hota
*masa'el-e-tasawaf=knowledge of religion
badaa-khawaar=habitual drinker*
Today is the death Anniversary of Asad ullah Khan Ghalib. The most poppular and liked poet of Urdu and Persian language.
Will write more later...
His poetry is divided in two era's at one time his poetry was quite difficult more influence of persian, yet marvelous :k:
like .....
~~~*Saadgi o purkaari , be-khudi o hoshyaari*
*Husn ko taghaaful main, jur'aat azmaa payaa*
And the other period, when his poetry is very easy to understand
~~~*Unkey dekhey se ju aa jaati hai munh per ro'naq*
*wo samajhtey hain ke beemaar ka haal acha hai*
Apart from poetry, letters written by ghalib are considered important part of urdu literature.Re: Hum tujhey wali samajh-tey
My only problem with Mir, Ghalib etc. is that you can't read them without holding a dictionary in the other hand to truly understand the meanings. While one can read Faiz, Faraz or Parveen Shakar without too much difficulty.
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yeah and he was a londay baz in his old age, not that it affected his poetry or anything. He was still a great poet.
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I agree partially,
I think ghalib is not that much difficult; maybe 30 % of his work is somewhat like that, ramaining is very easy. But you get your vocabolary increased :k:
On the other hand, Faiz is not that easy. He used difficult words quite frequently.
Still, once you understand the meaning you will love it
For example the shair in above post… sadgi o purkari…
Once you realize, and imagine what he said…
You go like,
*Wah chacha ghalib, jawaab nahi apka *
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Acha Shaair kabhi londey baaz nahi hosakta, likh lo 
Sharaab ki baat alag hai :rotato:
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Faiz's work flows in a way that one can guess the meaning 90% of the time even though it contains some difficult vocabulary. The old folks screw up my grammer.
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chacha ghalib ki to baat hi alag hai....
keh ge hain....
husn ghamzay ki kasha kash se cchuta meray baad
baaray aaraam se hain ahl-e-jafaa meray baad
:
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kaun hota hai hareef-e-mai-e-mard-afgan-e-ishq
hai mukarrar lab-e-saaqi pe silaa meray baad
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LoogooN ko Hay Khursheed-e-JahaaN taab ka Dhooka
Har Roz dikhata hooN maiN Ikk Daagh-e-NihaaN aur… 
Chacha Ghalib 
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Yeh masaala-e-tassaruf, yeh tera banyaan Ghaalib.. err opps:p
RagoN maiN DoRtay phirnay kay hum naheeN Qaail
Jub aankh hee say na tapka tau Lahu kiyaa hai :)?
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^ AQ khan, kia subha subha pi li hai ??? :rotato:
Lassi
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Apart from Shair, you can share more about Ghalib here, May be some about life and jokes too
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Aah chacha aaaah
kal hi to guzra tha unn k mazaar k qareeb say aur zubaan par chacha ka yeah sher machal uthaa:
huee muddat k ghalib marr gaya par yaad aataa hai
woh har ik baat par kehna k yuN hota to kiyaa hota
aur yeah sher to bahar haal hirz e jaaN hai:
AATAY HAIN GHAIB SAY YEAH MAZAMEEn KHAYAAL MAIN
GHALIB SAREER E KHAAMA NAWAA E SAROSH HAI
Ruswa
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Kaleem bahee aadaab
khudaraa yeah bay buniyaad ilzam chacha par lagatay huway aap ki ungliyaaN type kartay huway kaNpee naheeN.
chacha in tamam ilzamaat say bari haiN
balkay aakhir umr main unhonay sharab choR di thee aur hukama nay aur doctors nay unhaiN mashwara diyaa tha k thoRi bohat pee liya karain warna iss tarah woh apni maut ko aur jaldi bula rahay hain. unhonay jawaab diyaa tha k maut to bahar haal aani hi hai jald ya ba-der, so tauba nahee torrooNga.
( tazkira e ghalib by shamsur rahman farooqi & malik ram)
Ruswa
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A brieg intro about Ghalib
ghalib…
Mirza Asadullah Khan “Ghalib” is one of the best of the Urdu poets. He led a revolution in Urdu poetry with his words. According to the critic Aal Ahemd Sarvar “Ghalib gave brain to our poetry which was till then dominated by the people of heart.”
Ghalib used to have takhallus (pen name) of ‘Asad’ but he listened to this sher
**Asad us jafaa par butoN say wafaa ki **
**me-ray sher shabaash rahmat kHuda ki **
He said whose sher is this should get lots of rahmat of God but if it is mine then lots of laanat on me, and he changed his takhallus to ‘ghalib’.
**the beginning… **
He was born in 1796 in Akbarabad (present Agra). His father Abdullah Beg Khan and Uncle Nasrullah Beg Khan were in the Army. Mirza Ghalib become orphaned when he was just 5 years old. He lived with his uncle for 4 years, when his uncle too died.
He started saying sher in Agra itself. He married the daughter of Nawab Ilahi Baksh ‘Maaroof’ and therefore moved to Delhi. In Delhi he devoted his full concentration to poetry. Soon he mastered the Persian language. So that no one should call him be-ustad ( without a teacher) he fabricated a story that he had an Iranian teacher Abdul-samad live in house for two years to teach him Farsi. Ghalib was always proud of his Farsi poetry but he is known more by his Urdu prose and poetry.
life…
He always lived his life lacking money. After 1857 the support from the Royal durbar stopped. The pension from the British Govt. was stopped because he was suspected of supporitn the rebels. He even traveled to Calcutta to restart the pension but to no avail.
He went to the Nawab of Rampur, who promised him Rupees 200 if he lived in Rampur and Rs. 100 if he lived anywhere else. His pension was resumed 3 years after that, but all that money was used up for paying old debts. Ghalib died in 1869.
**letters… **
Not only Urdu poetry but the prose is also indebted to Mirza Ghalib. His letters gave foundation to the easy and popular Urdu. Before Ghalib, letter writing in Urdu was highly ornamental. He made his letters “talking” by using words and sentences as if he is talking to the reader. According to him
**“sau kos say ba-zabaan-e-qalam baateiN kiya karo aur hijr meiN visaal kay ma-zay liya karo” **
from hundred of miles talk with the tongue of the pen and enjoy the joy of meeting even when you are separated]
His letters were very informal, some times he will just write the name of the person and start the letter. He himself was very humerous and also made his letter very interesting. He said
**“maiN koshish karta hooN keH koi aisi baat likhooN jo pa-Rhay kHoosh ho jaaye” **
I want to write the lines that whoever reads those should enjoy it]
When the third wife of one of his friends died, he wrote…
“Allah allah aik woH log haiN jo teen teen dafaH iss qaid say chhooT chu-kaiN haiN aur aik hum haiN keH aik ag-lay pachas baras say jo phaNsi ka phaNda ga-lay meiN paRha hai to naH phaNda hi TuT-ta hai naH dum hi nikalta hai” 
[Allah Allah, there are some among us who have been freed from the prison three times and I have for the past 50 years this rope around my neck neither this rope breaks nor it takes my life]
Some scholars says that Ghalib would have the same place in Urdu litterature even only on the basis of his letters.
**poetry… **
In Urdu ghazals, along with the love and beauty Ghalib added all the facets of life. Because of him the canvas of Urdu ghazal became very extended.
Since Ghalib was very occuppied with Persian , his earlier shers used difficult words and his flights of imagination was such that…
**“yaa to aap sam-jhay yaa kHuda sam-jhay” **
either you (Ghalib) understand or the God understand]
Ghalib was not a philospher but he questioned things around him.
**jub keH tujh bin nahiN koi maujood **
**phir yeH hungaamaH ai kHuda kya hai **
when there is no one besides you;
then oh God why is this pandemonium]
One also find naughtiness in his writings, he makes fun of every thing and evreybody including himself.
**jiss meiN laakhoN baras ki hooreiN hoN **
**aisi jannat ka kya ka-ray koi **
when the women are million years old
what i will do with that paradise]
But Ghalib’s sher not only have immediate effect on the heart but it makes you think too.
**aah ko chahiye aik umr asar ho-nay tak **
**kaun jeeta hai teri zulf kay sar ho-nay tak. **
**hum nay mana keH tagHaful naH karo-gay lekin **
**kHaak ho jaaayeN-gay tum ko kHabar ho-nay tak. **
**daame hur mauj meiN hai hulqa-e-sad kaam nihaNg **
dekheiN kya guz-ray hai qat-ray peH guhar ho-nay tak
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wah wah.. very enjoyable thread :-)
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Nawazish :Pagri:
Waisy, last post is not written by me, It is a copy paste
Ba,janib matbo'aat Isha'at-e-ghair mehfooz
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Two of the very few ashar I've managed to remember (as I usually read and forget :o )
Bas ke dushwaar hai har kaam ka asaaN hona
Aadmi ko bhi muyasar nahiN insaaN hona
&
Baazeecha-e-aitfaal hai duniya mere aage
hota hai shab-o-roz tamasha mere aage
Really nice thread :) Iqbal is easy to read but pretty difficult to understand, that is if you want to understand the deeper message behind his words.
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some thing I wrote based on Ishq nay Ghalib nikamma kar diya
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Jaan thee, thee huee Us-hi ki thi
Haq to yeh hai keh haq ada na hua
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Hazaron Khwahishain aysi keh har khwahish pe dam nikle
Bohat nikle mere armaan lekin phir bhi kam nikle