Truth in allegations of Jinnahpur uncovered

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According to you the reason for military action was the MQMs activities in the period preceding the operations - just listen to what the guy who was the PM at that time thought about this period

What happened next; military operation , creation of MQM Haqiqi , no go areas…, & death of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Karachites - be it of any ethnicity who were bystanders in this whole affair & had nothing to do with either MQM or any other political party.

My friend the reality is that the level of ethnic integration in Karachi is far far greater then any other city in Pakistan.
Do you know more then 90% of Houses / Apartment Blocks inhabited by Urdu Speakers are secured by Guards or Chowkidars as we call them that are Pathans, what does this tell you - yes Pathans are brave & honorable people but it also means that a ‘Muhajir’ is willing to trust a pathan with the security of his women & children , which is impossible if there is genuine ethnic conflict bw people.
In a very huge percentage of mosques in karachi; the Imam is a pushtoon specially for the deoband maslakh, you dont pray behind someone if you have a racial hatred for them.
The ratio of inter-marriages b/w punjabis & urdu speakers in karachi is extremely high, I dont think there is any formal study on this subject so it is difficult to compare it with other parts but I will not be surprised if the ratio is higher then inter-marriages b.w any two communities anywhere in Pakistan

Yes we have clashes b/w armed groups affiliated with different political parties(most of the parties have some sort of ethnic identity as well), but at its base its a conflict over control of resources , power & influence - its root are not based on ethnicity.I will not deny that there is a militant element of MQM, but this is part & parcel of Karachi politics & power status quo since the Afghan war, & everyone who is a player in Karachi Politics is involved MQM did not start this , it started before the inception of MQM- they took it to the next level with the support of establishment who were a player in this affair; sometimes backing them sometimes confronting them- but this whole ordeal of switching sides was never directed by principles, nobody here is fighting over principles every one of these groups is only pursuing their own self interest. This conflict is not b/w good & evil , its between evil vs evil & I dont subscribe to your views of disqualifying one evil just because you dont like their faces.

Finally listen to the following… , while i dont agree with everything Hasan Nisar said about MQM but I agree with the parts related to propaganda & getting them into the main stream.

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Please tell me who dragged thousands of mohajir youth from their homes, tortured them, asked their poor families for ransom and even if they paid, threw the kids tortured body back in gutters? Than we can talk about who Bahadur Ali was and what happened to him.

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It wasn't MQM. I account from eye witnesses at the crime seen back then, the assailants were speaking fluent Farsi. MQM could've done it after what he had done to so many youngsters of Karachi majority of whom were innocent. The guy got what he deserved, a brutal death just like BB. During indiscriminate operation of '95 and '96 many youths were killed extra judicially. Among which many didn't even have any association with MQM. I have seen parents giving Bud Doa to officials like Bahadur Ali and BB. Logone ke bad doa lagi BB or Bahadur Ali ko.

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Thanx for reply.May be you are right about the 'assailants'. But no confusion in any one's mind about enimity between him and MQM.The operation started from 92 was cruel but activeties started by MQM since 86 were also cruel and fources behind the both were same and this is cotinue.

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Good. I am glad you agreed.

Second fact:

MQM is elected by the people of Pakistan.

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MQM is the third largest political party of Pakistan by seats.

Deny it or accept it ?

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I know that regardless of my post, blinds and mentally incapables would not read anything but would keep shouting, on the other hand, Nawaz devotees who would see the truth mentioned, they would get constipation …: My post is to clarify three things about MQM: !: MQM is not bikao mal and did not took money from ISI (proof from Brig Imtiaz in video 1 of ‘sawal yea hay’)… MQM is not created by ISI/army as if they were, they would not have said no to Brig Imtiaz (video 1 of ‘sawal yea hay’) … and that MQM was never involved in terrorism, ethnic cleansing or Bhatta collection, but was always a party victimised (1992 speech of Nawaz Gadha in Lahore). Brig Imtiaz also mentioned about victimisation of MQM in Hyderabad Qila, that army stopped.

MQM and Altaf is not bikao maal … can be seen from confession of Brig Imtiaz … where he says that he went to buy Altaf Hussain (MQM) at his residence in ‘90’ so that to make Altaf work with establishment to stop PPP and join IJI … Brig Imtiaz talked with Altaf Hussain for 5 hours but Altaf declined his requests. Obviously, If MQM was created by ISI than MQM could not have denied Brig Imtiaz request (on behalf of army and ISI), and thus it also shows that Altaf Hussain (like JI, Nawaz and others) did not took money from ISI so to compromise on principle. Anyhow, that principle cost MQM heavily in the form of demonization, Propaganda and accusations by establishment, ISI, Army and their pig parties JI, PMLN, and others.

Actually, when MQM had differences with PPP (as also mentioned by Brig Imtiaz in video 2 ‘sawal yea hay’ and MQM spokesman clarify that differences with reasons), IJI did everything to woo MQM into IJI … and Nawaz on behalf of army and IJI portrayed Altaf and MQM as Angel party in Punjab. Here is video of 1992 showing Nawaz Thug praising MQM in Lahore like devotee praising his God. If MQM was such a evil party and was involved in ethnic cleansing, than it was impossible for anyone to praise MQM in Lahore, and that was in 1992 (just before Karachi operation).

Health warning for Nawaz devotees: Please watch this video with care and at your own risk, as there is likely chances for most anti-MQM Nawaz devotees to get constipation after watching this video]

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I have already given my opinion on your 'facts'. Try and discuss the topic now.

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I am unable to watch video at the moment, can you tell us the conversation that you are talking about?

:rotfl: thank you for making me laugh today :k:

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Acting a tad too peevish tonight eh? Lol.

You see, Opinions would not hold water since they are not recognised factually.

My only intention was to enlighten you with the facts on ground which are quite different from your opinions of lala land.

Having said that, I believe that any party regardless of its ethenic background (MQM,ANP,PTI,PPP,JI,PML and etc.) should be applauded and acknowledged for the good work they enagage in for the people of Pakistan.

No one is telling you not to remember the past but try living in the present. As per the latest news, MQM wasnt hoarding sugar to inflate the prices and neither does she have 11 sugar mills but due to the positive contribution of MQM, Karachi was just recently awarded the title of twin sister city of Huston. Something all Pakistani city mayors should be working on.

No one can run over you if you talk factually. By expressing opinion over facts, you only make yourself look like sly toothless wolf.

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Guyz, gimme a break from this LAHAASIL debate. You can continue later your "MAIN NA MANOON" ratta but here is a quick one: I saw the Capital talk program where ex-ISI chief Asad Durrani, Brig. Imtiaz and then ranger's captain Nadeem Dar had come.
But I missed its second part that would have relayed yesterday. Can anyone please upload the second one?

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[mod] Stick to the topic [/mod]

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Lets not get into posting video, because there are amply a lot about MQM atrocities

Imran whom you want to vote for

Some are too graphic to post here.

By the way my dear , trouble in karachi occured long before 92 operation. I think if i copy it here, it will be too long but you can read about what MQM did before the operation.

http://www.haqeeqat.org/2009/08/27/year-wise-details-of-mqms-atrocities-crimes-of-muttahida-qaumi-movement-mqm/

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Yes it was. ALOT of people including some majors who have no political affiliation confirmed this.

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MQM is not declared a terrorist party by any country including Pakistan.

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Go read the UHNCR's report on the MQM, or Canada's court rulings, I can go on.

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Nawaz Sharif has not come out to deny the 15,000 deaths he caused.

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Nawaz Sharif never ordered the operation against MQM terrorists, it was the Armed Forces of Pakistan. So just like how the operation against the TTP was relevant, the operation against these MQM was legit too.

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Chief Justice of Pakistan has been asked to order an inquiry but to date no action has been taken by him for unknown reasons.

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First why dont you take the rulings of the long gone Chief Justice, when he convicted mai-laard Altaf Hussain on murder charges?

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MQM is in the government and voted in by the " people of Pakistan. "

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They have 20 seats out of some 350, in just one city, hardly reflective of the people's wishes. All over Pakistan, the MQM is hated like a monster, and quite rightly so.

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It is not banned in Pakistan.

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Too bad, it should be. The leader of the party thinks pakistan is the biggest blunder in the history of mankind, and has been caught burning Pakistan's flag and trying to carve a seperate nation out of a city.

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Its leader Altaf Hussein is not convicted.

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Wrong again, Altaf Hussain is convicted by the Supreme Court of Pakistan on murder charges. Also, he should come back if hes a man but sadly hes a hijra who is scared of coming back and facing the music.

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There are no proves. Just one accusation built up over another.

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Its called proofs, and yes there are plenty.

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MQM also won seats from Azad Kashmir so it is not a city party.

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We all know how it won that one seat, and we all know how much 'respect' that idiot got in the assembly. Everyone used to laugh at him, and this one time he was literally slapped and humiliated.

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MQM is the third largest political party of Pakistan.

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Oh really, PPP, PML[N], PML[Q], ANP, JUI/JI are all much stronger than the MQM in numbers.

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Please respect the democratic choice of the people of Pakistan.
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Yes, which means get in line and respect the mandate of the other parties, who are MUCH bigger than the mustakil kaumi maseebat.

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Sorry I could not control. :omg:

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A point by Brig Imtiaz is very appriciated by different people. Yesterday Hasan Nisar also discussed in daily Jang that Brig Imtiaz reached with a brief case of money but Altaf refused to take money. I knew it is quite true but perhaps it is not known why he refused to take money against his normal practice. Remember Brig Imtiaz also told that he went to Abbasi Shaheed Hospital . Those days Altaf has made Abbasi Hospital his permanent residence because after recieving a bullet from one his closed he did not feel him safe at 90. Bullet is perhaps still in his leg and alleged person is also again with him. Those days he was of the view that Agencies have did this all ao he refused to recieve that money from his bosses as protest.

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apprecaited my foot... he was imprisoned by corruption charges by the Govt and is considered to be involved in the killing of Zia and Gen Akhter. He is also the accused murderer of a Sindhi Communist leader. appreciated? hahaha

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Re: Truth in allegations of Jinnahpur uncovered

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: The fact that Nawaz Sharif was once the establishment’s blue-eyed boy and that the creation of the IJI was the ISI’s work are well known and undeniable, but the general perception is that today he is being targeted to save Musharraf’s skin.

It is premature to say who is behind this ‘get Nawaz’ campaign to deter him from seeking Musharraf’s trial under Article 6 of the Constitution. Though the immediate suspect for many is the invisible, military-led establishment, there are indications of involvement of some key government players in this blame-game.

Brigadier (retd) Imtiaz, whose recent statements have created ripples and upset the PML-N and its chief, however, denied that he has been playing into the hands of the establishment or the government. He insists that he just had the urge to share with the nation past secrets, irrespective of who benefits and who is damaged politically because of his revelations.

Talking to this correspondent, Brig Imtiaz said that he is not part of any plan to save Musharraf from trial. “Instead, I am a strong advocate of holding Musharraf accountable for his crimes against Pakistan,” the former ISI spy of ‘midnight jackals’ fame and ex-director general of the Intelligence Bureau said.

Regarding the ‘midnight jackal’ operation, which was meant to manoeuvre a no-confidence against the Benazir Bhutto government, he said that he was once called by the then Army chief General Aslam Beg, who desired in-house change of the government arguing that the Army was facing problems from the government vis-a-vis the country’s nuclear programme and the Afghan policy.

But the PML-N leader and party’s spokesman Pervez Rashid is confident that Brigadier Imtiaz is playing someone’s dirty game. Rashid said that Brig Imtiaz’s interviews and MQM Altaf Hussain’s statements are part of the strategy to malign Nawaz Sharif and prevent him from pursuing Musharraf’s trial.

He said that there are many elements who fear that if Musharraf is tried for his unconstitutional actions, then they too would face the music for their part in the misdoings. So they have launched this anti-Nawaz campaign. He, however, expressed the resolve of his party to continue pressing for upholding the rule of law for which Musharraf’s trial is necesary.

Imtiaz claims that he still has liking for Nawaz Sharif but it is not possible for him to withhold the truth anymore. He denied that he had approached different television channels for interview. He also denied that he has recently met Rehman Malik, the interior minister.

But Dr Shahid Masood of Geo’s ‘Meray Mutabik’ told this correspondent that the Brigadier approached him for an appearance in his programme. Pervez Rashid endorsed Dr Shahid Masood’s view and said that Brigadier Imtiaz contacted different television channels, which in his view is a clear indication of a well thought out strategy to malign the PML-N top leader.

Meanwhile, a London-based source confided to this correspondent that a key Pakistani diplomat from Washington recently visited London to meet Musharraf. It is believed that certain players in the government are in close liaison with the ousted dictator and want to defeat the bid to try Musharraf on high treason charges.

The source said that a British national of Pakistani origin, who runs spices business in London, is financing pro-Musharraf campaign and is even organising Musharraf’s meetings with different media persons to oppose the demand for his trial. Recently he organised Musharraf’s meeting with some pro-Musharraf media anchorpersons at the residence of a Pakistani dentist there.

Who is behind the ‘get Nawaz’ campaign?

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It has Not been proven in court that MQM is responsible for whatever terrorist actitivites MQM is accused of.

Only accusations built over other accusations.

Those terrorist acts could very well be executed by the corrupt people on the payroll of Nawaz Sharif to create a bad image of MQM.

They could very well be run by Imran khan too or some followers of mufti.

The point is that the "allegations" are not proven in court.

We are all entitled to our opinon : You can say they were run by MQM and

I'd say that Imran Khan, Mufti and Nawaz Sharif ran those terroris activites together.

and we can continue to trade accusations back and forth with no results. :)

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Imran Khan was playing cricket with the lads in Oxford when bhai log started the terrorist gang of Karachi.

If you believe in courts so much, why does the BIG bhai not come to Pakistan and face them?

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Crimes of Hitler were never proven in the court.
Osama Bin Laden's crimes have not been proven in the court.

I frankly don't know why MQMers always try to give impression that its only Imran or Nawaz that are against them and rest of teh country loves them. Nawaz had nothing to gain by ordering a crackdown on Karachi, if MQM weakens, Nawaz stands to gain nothing, the only beneficiary will be PPP, who will become stronger in Sindh.

Similarly, the bloodiest operations against MQM was done by Benazir. The statements of Benazir are on record of what she thought of MQM.