Trouble in Ukraine... another Muslim community in danger

So I’m sure that any politically aware person has been following events in Ukraine.

As a brief summary…

  1. Ukraine is split between an EU-leaning west bordering Europe and a Russian-leaning East bordering Russie
  2. After the 2010 election Ukraine had a very pro-Russian, very corrupt government
  3. Big protests against the government have just brought down the old government and a new pro-EU govt is in power.
  4. The old leader has fled to Russian protection, Russian military is being activated.

All simple right? Not much for Muslims to be concerned about?

Kind of. Although only 0.6% of Ukrainians are Muslim, most of them live in the Crimean Peninsula, where they are 12% of the population.

Crimea used to be a Muslim Khanate until captured by Russia in 1793. Russia expelled most of the Muslims, called Tartars, at the time, and encourage Russian immigration to Crimea to repopulate it more “reliably”. By 1930 only 36% of Crimeans were Tartars. In 1943 Russia decided that the Crimean Tartars were enemies of the state and deported them completely, killing half of the remaining Tartar population. When Tartars were permitted to return to their homelands at the collapse of the USSR, their numbers were reduced to just being 12% of Crimea’s population today. As you can imagine, Tartars don’t like Russians given how much they suffered at Russian hands.

But that’s not the whole story. All those Russians who settled in Crimea… stayed there when Ukraine became independent. Russia was allowed to keep a major naval base in Crimea too.

And today, given the civil upheaval in Ukraine, the majority of the Crimeans being of Russian origin are very unhappy with the new government’s pro-EU, anti-Russian stance, and very unhappy with how the pro-Russian national leadership has been ejected. They are now agitating for Crimean independence from Ukraine.

The Crimean Tartars, on the other hand, are very enthusiastic about the change away from being pro-Russia and are very supportive of the new Ukrainian government.

With the pro-government people in Crimea mostly being its Muslim minority, and the majority in Crimea being anti-government, this places most of Ukraine’s Muslims in a perilous situation. They are the most fervent advocates of the new government but live in the middle of the stronghold of opposition to the government.

The Muslim leaders are already saying that their community witnessed the gunmen who took over Crimea’s parliament come directly out of the Russian military base… embarrassing Russia. On the other hand, pro-Russian separatists are now telling the media that Tartars are going around killing innocent Russians! The vicious anti-Muslim propaganda that we saw before atrocities in Bosnia seems to be kicking off again…

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^ interesting, so where did the evicted tartars go? Chechnya and Dagestan?

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In the first eviction, Russia already controlled those and didn't want any more Muslims. It forced them to go to the Ottoman Empire. In the second eviction in the 1940s, they were exiled to Central Asia, about half of them being killed before deportation and dying due to harsh conditions during transit (no health care, no protection from cold weather, etc).

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That is a terrible situation to be. Having small numbers, they can't affect the outcome of the situation. So I think Crimean Muslims should try to stay neutral in this conflict.

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Russia has sent in their forces in Crimea today...

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This actually illustrate the flaw within the UN system. The UN has called an emergency session on this, but Russia has the right to veto any UN verbal or physical action against Russia. So the UN can discuss, but not even symbolically do anything about this.

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I doubt that Muslims here are their target. Its too small time for this. Their target is Ukraine as a whole and teach the EU the consequences of honey cuddling the ex-Soviet bloc.

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i'd agree. putin will obviously do all he can to not give up on ukraine but i'm not sure if the muslims of crimea are a huge deal to him either. having said that, ukraine as a whole will need a huge amount of help, not just financially but in terms of stabilising its government and reinforcing boundaries that yanukovych disregarded completely. it's still unfortunate though.

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Never a good time when the Jut motherland is in trouble

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^ awh man, way to make me feel bad u_ahmed. like i said the situation is unfortunate i was just yknow.. being a bit of an arse i guess. :( i've removed the joke.

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Why does Russia want the Crimean peninsula so bad anyway? Out of all the land that they lost in the Soviet fall out, why is this piece of property so important?

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Its not about land but keeping western terrorist away from their borders

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They have a naval base there. Russia is allowed 25000 troops there, 200 something jets and vessels. They're moving forces there to protect their bases if it all breaks out, for all we know. Also a lot of Russian fans there. Russian flags can be seen there.

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Ok well that navy base has been there since the Soviet fell from what I was reading. So why seize all that land now? Something deeper is going on.

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The country is in chaos. Two sides, pro europe and pro russia. They maybe protecting their bases. The other thing is the lease for the base runs till 2017 and russia needs warm, deep water.

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haathion ki laraai mai shaamat khet ki aati hay :bummer:

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Let us not talk about the Muslim factor in this whole complex situation lest TTP should take matter in its hands and declare jihad both against Russia and the new Ukrainian government.

On a serious note, Washington has successfully managed to create a situation in Ukraine to engage Russia in the trouble nation and avenge diplomatic defeat it was meted out to in Syria largely thanks to Moscow. By securing permission from its parliament to cross into Ukraine, Putin seems to have walked into the trap the US laid for him wherein he will have to face the combined wrath of the entire EU bloc, plus the US itself.

Tough situation for the tough guy.

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Ukrainian muslims have already declared jihad against russia.

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How could they??? The worldwide rights of declaring jihad rest with the Muslims of Pakistan.