Trigger-happy in Baghdad - US troops butcher unarmed firefighters

Yet another small tragedy. These Iraqi firemen were gunned down during the Eid-Al-Fitr festival by Americans who were too lazy to even bother to read their fire engine’s number plates to check if it was the militant-hijacked fire engine the Americans were after.

Instead, the Iraqi firemen were ordered to exit their vehicle. They cooperated with the American soldiers and in return were executed on the spot.

propaganda part of this post over

Incidents like this illustarte the mess that the USA is creating for itself in Iraq and bears sole responsibility for. If you were an Iraqi civilian observing this incident, watching people being gunned down by Americans whilst cooperating with their instructions… how likely would you be to comply with them in future? Stop and a checkpoint and risk being made to exit your vehicle and shot like you just saw happen to these firemen (you wouldn’t know the whole story), or perhaps try and run the checkpoint and hope that the speed of your car will carry you through and that you will not having to face the Americans like these firemen did?

Or perhaps try to run away when American soldier shout at you to stop? Incidents like this inspire fear.

One of the video clips released by the Islamic Army in Iraq shows 3 US soldiers (one in a Humvee turret, one in front of the Humvee, one beside the Humvee). The Humvee itself is parked in the middle of a busy street. A sniper shoot the guy in front of the Humvee and he falls and stops moving, but the other 2 US soldiers didn’t see it, don’t realise he’s shot, don’t try and help.

But all the Iraqis around are now running away, having seen the dead American. None goes to help, none goes to tell the American soldiers that one of soldiers is dead or injured.

Clearly, the American response to being attacked inspires so much fear that no-one want to be around when the 2 surviving Americans learn what happened, no-one wants to be linked to the incident in any way.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061024/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestusfiremen

  • American soldiers shot and killed four Iraqi firemen after mistaking their fire tender for one hijacked by insurgents, US military headquarters has said.

“After receiving word that a fire truck and its crew were just hijacked, coalition forces pulled over a fire truck matching that description,” said a statement describing Monday’s incident in the western city of Fallujah.

When the unarmed firefighters got out of the fire tender US soldiers opened fire and killed them, after mistaking them for armed insurgents.

“The suspected insurgents were in fact firefighters responding to a call. The fire truck number did not match the one of the hijacked truck. All four of the firefighters that exited the vehicle died,” the statement said.

“Minutes later another fire truck was spotted and pulled over in an area nearby. The occupants fled. It was determined that this truck number did match the truck that was hijacked,” it added.

American forces are often accused of using excessive and indiscriminate force in Iraq, although commanders say the problem is now taken more seriously and the number of wrongful killings has diminished.

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Amerians need to get out. But will we post articles and essays on Iraqis butchering unarmed Iraqis? Probably not since it already is happening by the dozens every single day.

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It's going to happen whether or not US (and British) troops are around. Just pull them out and let the region resolve itself - one way or another.

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^ You think the UN wants this? The Bush admin. lost their chance with the UN taking control shortly after the conventional war was over and before the insurgencey was in full swing as it rejected handing over control. myself and myvoice had debated this subject back in 2004.
At this point the UN can't do much of anything.

A conference between all regional players and the U.S. needs to take place reguarding Iraq, including Syria and Iran.

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don't forget.. we're fighting "them" there so we don't have to fight "them" here..

I say.. "Stay the Course"

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UTD I am in 100% agreement with you. anything else is doomed to fail sooner or later.

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seminole, I want y trained military being funded thru my tax dollars to be better than hoodlum militants at each other’s throats. while it is horrific what these militias are doing, they dont represent me or my govt, the US military does and thats when they screw up like this its is pain. as far as the militias go, ppl are scared of them as well, but those ppl can hde and can be invisible, US troops stick out like a sre thumb and the range of idiotic incdents ranging from abu gaharaib to killing these firemen, to rapes and all, it makes the rest of he military look bad, and the lads who are there to do their job get bundled in with the thugs in our military, which is unfortunate as I know ppl who serve in Iraq and they are decent honorable folks.

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I want my military to be better than these militias too. But war is hell and even the most trained and disciplined troops will have incidents like these. I also know of decent, honorable folks that are serving over there because of our inept, corrupt administration. And I want them to come home.

I am not comparing our troops to the thugs in Iraq. Obviuosly we should be held to a MUCH higher standard. And are. But I am comparing non-Americans concerns of certain Iraqi deaths over others. As tragic as these firemens' death may be, they probably represent 5% of innocents that are getting killed today. And every other day.

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dont forget it was all based on a pack of lies regarding iraq.

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  1. First, I think every computer geek world-wide should have the inaleinable right to second guess combat troops in a war zone. After all, the computer geeks wrestle with split second, life and death BIOS decisions on a daily basis. The pressure must be crushing. :rolleyes:

  2. I think we are grossly underestimating how bad things could be if the US left. It is easy to think that the pace of killing could be worse than Rwanda. We could literally have hundreds of thousands of deaths in a month, and millions per year until it burns itself out. There are many mixed neighborhoods that would simply end up in an all out slaughter. Today hundreds can be killed in a day. Tomorrow all semblance of society could break down, and Iraq could be a very large Somalia. Obviously social mores are collapsing far more than anyone can imagine, but we have no indication that things have hit bottom.

  3. I think a phased disengagement into Iraqistans is the only alternative. Iraq is not a country anymore. It is a seething cauldron of ethnic hate that has been repressed for decades and is unmanagable in any unity government. The people of Iraq do not want peace. They want power, dominance, oil wealth, revenge and these things do not make for peaceful political compromise. The good people of Iraq have lost, and the most violent and brutal have prevailed. Like a fight on the playground, they need to be pulled apart, as all parties have a deathgrip on each others throat.

  4. Of course, if the country is broken into three pieces, the outcome is predictable too. The Kurds will blossom, the Sunnis will arm to the teeth with every drop of oil money they can find (nothing new here), and the Shia will become a proxy of Iran (as they have always been), and the
    Arabs will always distrust them, as they do the Persians. So be it.

  5. At best partitioning will put off a fixed piece war for a decade, at which point the Sunnis and Shia will again attempt to slaughter each other.

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all the violence is due to US interference full stop

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^^ So if we had not interfered, there would would be no sectarian hatred? Wow!

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100% correct

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How much sectarian voilence was there before the "Liberation" took place.

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hahahahahaha

Muslim self-delusion is alive and well!

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Saddam killed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of "political enemies" (ie the Shia majority) during his rule. You are essentially arguing that repression of sectarian though totalitarian brutalitiy is an effective political solution.

Frikin' unbelievable. Sectarian hatred is alive and well in the Muslim world. We didn't create it, we didn't endorse it. You guys are in serious denial of a seething problem just below the surface in the Muslim world, and you are looking for scapegoats. Ok fine.

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Saddam never killed over 600k in three years, that honour goes to the liberators. Who is in denial, even your persident is coming out of denial, time for you to follow suit.

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600k!! :eek:

Surely that was a typo.

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So life was better under Saddam, and Muslims should be treated like Children who are unable to politically determine their own future? You guys need a dictator to prevent you from slitting each other throats? WTF?

If this is the case, then I want an apology for all that "America supports Dictators" crap that you guys sling, because obviously treating you as a lower form of humanity THEN was really the correct assessment, and we were right in supporting murderous repressive regimes.

Bring back the Shah, Bring back Saddam! Muslims are genetically incapable of establishing peaceful political systems, and must be herded like sheep by a strong man with a big gun!

Happy now?

The reality of this is that whenever Saddam left power, there was bound to be sectarian violence. It was a fait accompli. Of course you may think that a few decades of rule by Uday and Qusay may have cured all that?

Nobody blamed Muslims for the conflict between Catholics and Prostestants in Northern Ireland. Maybe we should!

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i put it to you guys:
US created it
US endorsed it
US troops have done more human rights abuses then the iraqi troops under saddam!

just comprehend it when you can