I was thinking about this for the past few days that whats the difference between the action being carried out by the indian forces in kashmir, and the action of pak army in the tribal areas?
not much one would think innit :S
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*Originally posted by zaavia: *
I was thinking about this for the past few days that whats the difference between the action being carried out by the indian forces in kashmir, and the action of pak army in the tribal areas?
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Whoa! There is no comparison by any stretch of imagination.
The Indians dont care about the Kashmiris and are doing blatant indiscriminate human rights violations in Kashmir. They have no sympathies for Kashimiris.
The Wana operation is an unfortunate thing we have been forced to do, many Pakistanis are against it vocally, and in their hearts I think all Pakistanis are against it, its something we are being forced to do by America, just like we were forced to give our land for bombing on Afghanistan.
And the Pak army may be carrying out this operation but it cares about the local population and considers it its own. Our jawans are trying their best to minimise civilan loss of life, and specially save women and children from harm. The government itself, army jawans are trying to evacuate villages, hospitals etc.
First hand stories are pouring in about this from people who have relatives in that area and surrounding areas.
We have to do this operation to save our country from America but we are not leaving those people alone. We are trying to do whatever we can.
Just like when the Americans were bombing Afghanistan, we left our borders open to Afganis for any kind of assistance, and we got so many refugees come in and we tried our best to help.
Unlike how India wants to eradicate the Kashmiris, Pakistan does not want to exterminate the indigenous population of that area, even though America wants us to do that.
for u lil bro
i wish we never did this operation, said no to the americans in the first place, and we wouldn’t have had to fight our own countrymen, none of this mess would have happenned
yes i know but ALLAH will make everythign better soon INSHALLAH
INSHALLAH 
Pakistan Zindabad
Pak Yakjehti Zindabad
The kaafirs cannot divide us
Have faith kids. Once the jihadi terrorists are all done in kashmir. Peace and harmony will return to the region. Indians love kashmir. It is a beautiful part of the union.
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
Have faith kids. Once the jihadi terrorists are all done in kashmir. Peace and harmony will return to the region. Indians love kashmir. It is a beautiful part of the union.
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ur on crack son go take ur pills
JI INSHALLAH
we shouldnt be blaming others when we are doing these things ourselves…
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*Originally posted by zaavia: *
I was thinking about this for the past few days that whats the difference between the action being carried out by the indian forces in kashmir, and the action of pak army in the tribal areas?
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The Indian forces are attempting to prevent the breakaway of Kashmir from the Indian Union, through political and military surpressiong that affect the general population.
Pakistani forces are attempting to arrest armed foreigners hostile to the government who have illegally entered Pakistan and established military bases, and who are protected by a small minority of the FATA's population. Pakistani forces are not interrupting the lives of, or surpressing the political ambitions of, the population of the tribal areas. For example, unlike in Indian occupied Kashmir, Pakistan has not placed troops to occupy population centes, the tribesmen are not living their lives overwatched by loaded army guns.
Pakistani troops are only deployed in areas in the FATA where combat is occuring.
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mate, they are one of the same things...the indians are also fighting against the people that are against the writ of indians on their land, and thats what most of you are propagating in the other thread...and the indians also believe that there is a small minority of jehadis who are agsint indian rule...the day the indians subdue kashmiris, i assure you even they will leave kashmir alone...
by following america's directives blindly, we are moving towards a dead end...towards civil war...
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
The Indian forces are attempting to prevent the breakaway of Kashmir from the Indian Union, through political and military surpressiong that affect the general population.
Pakistani forces are attempting to arrest armed foreigners hostile to the government who have illegally entered Pakistan and established military bases, and who are protected by a small minority of the FATA's population. Pakistani forces are not interrupting the lives of, or surpressing the political ambitions of, the population of the tribal areas. For example, unlike in Indian occupied Kashmir, Pakistan has not placed troops to occupy population centes, the tribesmen are not living their lives overwatched by loaded army guns.
Pakistani troops are only deployed in areas in the FATA where combat is occuring.
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They are too different scenarios. Kashmir is a genuine freedom struggle supported by Kashmiris for over 50 years. This operation in Wana is a result of some cowards taking refuge in our country who will soon be wiped out.
Kashmir's going nowhere.
Fifty plus years have passed since India came into being. And while I respect the individuality and indepdendent spirit of the Kashmiri people, it is about bloody time that everybody became Indian for a change.
We must get rid of these little groups that we divide and subdivide ourselves into. We're Indians and that is all.
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mate, they are one of the same things...the indians are also fighting against the people that are against the **writ of indians on their land*...
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Wrong. Kashmir is not their land, as you are stating, but a disputed territory recognised as so internationally. FATA is an integral part of Pakistan. The Kashmir rebellion began when the local people rose up against an occupying army subjugating their rights. In FATA the limited military operation began not because of a local rebellion against the Pakistani state, but after foreign terrorists started using our national territory to attack us and other countries. Do you think the foreign terrorists are helping FATA break away from Pakistan or liberating the local people?
Think about these things, before making ridiculous comparisons. This military operation is to save Pakistan being bombed by foreigners, be they those cowards hiding in FATA or others.
But the thing is that these "foreign terrorists" that our govt says are in these tribal agencies seem to have local support, at least as much as the Kashmiri muj have with Kashmiris. Without local support how can they have stayed there, married local women and raised families there?
Having said that, the main difference is that these guys in Wana are not fighting for anyone's freedom.
WEll if these people want to join afghanistan through a plebecite, should they be allowed? Didn't they join Pakistan voluntarily?
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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
WEll if these people want to join afghanistan through a plebecite, should they be allowed? Didn't they join Pakistan voluntarily?
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The UN never ruled that there should be a plebiscite in the FATA :)
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Malik, who says so...the tribals have always been independent...the Durrand Treaty separating the Pakistani tribal areas from the Afghan ones has expired in 1992? The operation in Wana is nothing more than another back track of Pakistani policies during the past 4 years...
first reversal of the afghan policy...second reversal of the kashmir policy...then came the nuclear drama...and now this wana operation...quaid-e-azam had promised autonomy for the tribals...anyways thats nothing new for the pakistanis to do a swift u-turn...i wont be surprised if after a few years the same people who are ruling pakistan now, would be welcoming vajpayee as the leader of pak-india combined...chamchas like sheikh rasheed will then be speaking in favour of unification of the two countries...
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Wrong. Kashmir is not their land, as you are stating, but a disputed territory recognised as so internationally. FATA is an integral part of Pakistan.
Think about these things, before making ridiculous comparisons. This military operation is to save Pakistan being bombed by foreigners, be they those cowards hiding in FATA or others.
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those guys were not even killing pakistani people or troops...the operation there is like urdu proverb..." AA BAIL MUJHAY MAAR"...
the ultimate losers in all this will be pakistanis...
lets see what the next orders of our "big boss (BUSH)" will be..
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*Originally posted by Khilaari: *
But the thing is that these "foreign terrorists" that our govt says are in these tribal agencies seem to have local support, at least as much as the Kashmiri muj have with Kashmiris. Without local support how can they have stayed there, married local women and raised families there?
Having said that, the main difference is that these guys in Wana are not fighting for anyone's freedom.
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