new zealand V australiascorecard
Here comes some late analysis on the Ind/Aus non-match...
Zaheer Khan - is getting to be a most wily bowler. His first over usually consists of 6 wides (or 16 runs) and a wicket. The batsmen are left wondering which will come first, and thus are slow to react to his disguised good delivery. Truly a strike bowler and star batsman (for the opposition).
Shewag - is looking for newer and better ways to get out by the third ball of the first over. This is done to ensure the team does not rely on him for a flying fking start and instead relies on fevicol-footed Lax. Unfortunately he has run out of ideas and simply gets caught at first slip or lets the ball catch his toes bang in front of middle stump.
Dravid - is thinking of opening the bowling with Sachin next time.
Parthiv - is going to wear heels just so he can reach the ball whenever it's over 2 ft high.
And I am going to relax and watch India lose to NZ on Thursday, then get into a panic and play some real good cricket for one match to edge into the finals on RR.
yup.
fevicol footed - hadn't heard that name in a while. I'll be very disappointed with Sehwag if he fizzles out. Such promise - I even defended him with Asif_K.
Nehra is in right?
^Toms, so I heard. And Ganguly is also planning on playing despite the boil. Oh boy do we need them!
Right, Asif is always hollering about Shewag's tulleybaji, but he just needs to survive that harrowing first and second over, get his eye in and then do some slamming.
Australia won the match against NZ by luck (I think).
As for agarkar I think it is like after 20 - 30 match afridi makes a fifty or gets some wickets n the commentators start shouting as if he is the greatest batsman or bowler.
Complete double standards by the Indians.
They prepare batsman friendly pitches when they play but matches between New Zealand and Australia are seamer friendly in the first 15 overs.
TVS Cup, 2003
Fleming lashes out at quality of pitches
Wisden Cricinfo staff
November 4, 2003
Ricky Ponting and Stephen Fleming have expressed concern about the quality of pitches being used in some of the games in the ongoing TVS Cup. The comments came after the one-day international between Australia and New Zealand at Pune started with a rush of top-order wickets, just as their earlier face-off at Faridabad did.
“They’ve got it wrong,” said Fleming, in a report on the BBC’s website. “You can’t start this early with wickets like this, there’s no point.”
**In the TVS Cup, India are playing all their games in day-night situations, which Fleming pointed out as a case of double standards. “It’s a case of two competitions going on,” he said. "Australia and us play one competition where it seams around and it is tough to bat, and India play another one where it gets slower and slower and turns. **
“We’ve been on the wrong side of it twice and it makes the next game a lottery as well,” Fleming added. "We can complain, but it won’t matter. It will fall on deaf ears because India are not playing.
“So much rides on the toss. At least in New Zealand it seams for 100 overs, here it seams for 25 and after that it’s a belter.”
Australia won both games against New Zealand, but Ponting agreed that the early starts made a dent in the top-order. “I was telling some of our guys that the wickets at both Faridabad and Pune would have been ideal for day-night games after they got a few hours to dry out,” he said. “India are trying to better their wickets for the standard of their own cricket, but they’ve just left too much juice in them for one-day cricket.”
On the part of the BCCI, a spokesman said that both teams had been had been presented with the itinerary a month before the series began on October 23, and that neither team had raised any objections.
© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd
^ Fleming is an Idiot and looking for excuses now, If the pitches are not batsmen friendly in the first 15 overs then why did he elect to BAT in the first game against australia ? Is it the first time he is touring India ? If we had given them all D/N matches, they would have cribbed about batting second.
I just wonder why all at a sudden he started cribbing about Day games coz last time they toured they played in 5 ODI matches and all of them were day matches, his team went on score 350 runs in one of the matches.
Fleming should quit whinning and accept the fact that they are not good enough for Australia.He should also drop Mcullum the WK for dropping a crucial catch, he should think about the 17 runs his bowler gave in last over. How many catches his fielders dropped in that game ?
^Sheesh what a whiner Fleming is.
You're spot on when you say that he would have complained if India were playing all the day matches and the day/night ones were reserved for NZ. Now that he's lost all the matches (except for that draw) and is anticipating India going through for the finals (all they need to do is win one more match), he's coming up with excuses he knows he'll need soon.
"India are trying to better their wickets for the standard of their own cricket, but they've just left too much juice in them for one-day cricket."
On the part of the BCCI, a spokesman said that both teams had been had been presented with the itinerary a month before the series began on October 23, and that neither team had raised any objections.
^^ Ponting is a whiner too eh???
By the way, i m in no way trying to defend Fleming but yes they got the worst conditions to bat in both ODIs against aussies. One was self-inflicted and other was tos-dependant, whatever it was they were unlucky in this ODI series.
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^^ Ponting is a whiner too eh???
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I wonder if Ponting and his countrymen would give us batting tracks at Gabba,perth etc when we tour down under next month.
Fleming failed to read the pitch in the first ODI and that's his mistake, his bowlers gave away too many runs in last too overs and his fielders dropped sitters at crucial moments and that's their failure. Fleming isn't touring India for the first time, he should have known it better before electing to bat in the first match.
Saby - When you get a d/n match you crib, when you get a day match you crib. So much for the TOSS, what happened to the game of cricket ?
Having all the day games for NZ and AUS is kinda lame excuse. Every country has a right to prepare the pitches (and schedule games) that suites them both in and out of the ground. India might have scheduled their games because they want most ppl to enjoy the games (because of working days)
Only thing to watch is that pitches provided to other playing teams (NZ and AUS in this case) should be sporting wickets and should not act like the ones in West Indies or NZ it’s self.
I haven’t watched the games so can’t say anything with surety but if pitches are not sporting then Fleming might be right in criticism but still this is not the excuse of the defeat as opponent (AUS) was also playing on same pitch
Well Chorey, That's too much to ask. If other countries make us play on a pitch which looked like my backyard, it was perfectly okay and onus was on us and our so called best batsmen to prove themselves in alien conditions. However those same people who themselves agreed on the itenerary a month ago and have toured India at least 3 times in last 5-6 now think matches shouldn't start this early.
I still dont understand, if the conditions were so tough why did Mr. Best Captain of the world decide to bat first after winning the TOSS ?
To my knowledge this is the first time New Zealand played @ Faridabad (could be wrong) and conditions there were much different then any other venues.
Venues in Northen part of the county seem to have moisture this time of the year, maybe thats the reason.
But Fleming is right in his criticizim, the Indian team should be made to play in those conditions.
The difference between this scenario and compared to the one back in New Zealand in january was that both teams had to play on bad pitches, while teams batting first in Fardiabad and Pune especially in the first 15 overs have the disadvantage.
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Well Chorey, That's too much to ask. If other countries make us play on a pitch which looked like my backyard, it was perfectly okay and onus was on us and our so called best batsmen to prove themselves in alien conditions. However those same people who themselves agreed on the itenerary a month ago and have toured India at least 3 times in last 5-6 now think matches shouldn't start this early.
I still dont understand, if the conditions were so tough why did Mr. Best Captain of the world decide to bat first after winning the TOSS ?
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Thats what i was saying that "we have all day games and India have D/N games" is a lame excuse. They agreed upon the schedule and I havent read any article in which Fleming has raised concerns over the schedules and venues before games.
As far as decision of batting first is concerned, wickets conditions can be deceptive and that’s what happened in first game when in an after-match interview Ponting said that “we were lucky to lose the toss cause I would have batted first too”
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To my knowledge this is the first time New Zealand played @ Faridabad (could be wrong) and conditions there were much different then any other venues.
Venues in Northen part of the county seem to have moisture this time of the year, maybe thats the reason.
But Fleming is right in his criticizim, the Indian team should be made to play in those conditions.
The difference between this scenario and compared to the one back in New Zealand in january was that both teams had to play on bad pitches, while teams batting first in Fardiabad and Pune especially in the first 15 overs have the disadvantage.
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What nonsense ? It's called HOME FIELD Advantage. Why should India be made to play at Faridabad ? NZ played only one match at Faridabad and they had won the TOSS. He had the opportunity to take advantage of the situation which he didn't.
Are you telling me that Fleming is playing in Northern India for the first Time ? And FYI - Pune isn't exatly in Northern India, It is in western part of the country about 200 Kms from Bombay.
In D/N matches - Team batting second has a disadvantage too.
Life is never fair, is it ?
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What nonsense ? It's called HOME FIELD Advantage. Why should India be made to play at Faridabad ? NZ played only one match at Faridabad and they had won the TOSS. He had the opportunity to take advantage of the situation which he didn't.
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Home field advantage is when conditions stay the same throughout the course of the match and which also suit the home team.
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Home field advantage is when **conditions stay the same throughout the course of the match* and which also suit the home team.
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Conditions are fair ?? You mean in a D/N match conditions are fair and same throughout the course of the match ?
Just visit the KK Archive and see how many times you people have blamed D/N conditions for your Team's loss.
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Conditions are fair ?? You mean in a D/N match conditions are fair and same throughout the course of the match ?
Just visit the KK Archive and see how many times you people have blamed D/N conditions for your Team's loss.
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But its the same throughout the world, conditions change in all D/N matches, South Africa/Sharjah/Aus
Fleming and Ponting are questioning the unstable condition in just the first innings.
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By the way, i m in no way trying to defend Fleming but yes they got the worst conditions to bat in both ODIs against aussies. One was self-inflicted and other was tos-dependant, whatever it was they were unlucky in this ODI series.
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What is the point you are trying to make, exactly - care to explain? Maybe I'm slow witted but is 'self inflicted misery' the same as 'worst conditions to bat'?
Or is it that you are always looking for the needle in the haystack, anything to paint the Indians black! Please try and understand that our players are ALSO at the mercy of the toss, pitch, D/N condition, indigestion etc as the Kiwis are. And if the Kiwis do go through to the finals Fleming's moaning will magically stop, as will yours no doubt. ;)