Re: Treatment of some GS members for Ahmadis here.
ok so its final. Ahmadis are not murtid. Only murtid should be killed. ( though in ur posts, you were clear that Ahmadis should be killed. I remember you telling me that my dad was lucky that he wasnt killed..anyhow, im not digging old stuff out..)
This jamaat is in more than 150 countries. Helping humanity, translating Quran in as many languages as possible, spreading the word of Allah in corners of the Earth where they havent heard of Islam. If ahmadiyyat was not growing, you people wouldnt have been calling it a 'fitnah'. The fact that you keep coming here talkin about ahmadis here is proof on its own how this jamaat is spreading its beliefs, which frankly speaking is Islam itself.
May Allah show us all the right path, and give us courage to follow it. aamin. You'll be in my prayers, please keep me in yours.
Mr. Popat, your dad Became an Ahmadi. Therefore, he became a Murtid. He converted into Ahmadiyat. Only Allah knows his intentions and only Allah has the Power to Judge. However, to normal Muslims, all those who became Ahmadis were and are Murtids.
The ahmadi jamaat is TRYING to spread its beliefs. Nowhere did i say it is being successful. though it is true that it is trying very very very hard. Muslims are actively educating everyone that Ahmadiyat is a Fitnah however.
Mr. Popat, your dad Became an Ahmadi. Therefore, he became a Murtid. He converted into Ahmadiyat. Only Allah knows his intentions and only Allah has the Power to Judge. However, to normal Muslims, all those who became Ahmadis were and are Murtids.
The ahmadi jamaat is TRYING to spread its beliefs. Nowhere did i say it is being successful. though it is true that it is trying very very very hard. Muslims are actively educating everyone that Ahmadiyat is a Fitnah however.
May Allah bless us all.
Just wana point something out for ONLY Questioners Info if i may.
when you convert from Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'at to another sect with false or negative beleifs EXCEPT the Ahmadi/qadyani..then that person is classified as a Murtad .. however, if oe converts to Ahmadi / Qadyani .. Then He is Double Murtad .. becasue that person IS NOT converting to someting which may redeem him in the hearafter but hes leaving Islam in to Kufr beleif ..and This isnt called converting its falling out of the folds of Islam.
Re: Treatment of some GS members for Ahmadis here.
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exactly FBI Jazak Allah
Becoming an Ahmadi means saying goodbye to Islam - sure only Allah has the Power to Judge - but Ahmadi beliefs are kufr and anybody who embraces them is leaving Islam and entering Kufr
Becoming an Ahmadi means saying goodbye to Islam - sure only Allah has the Power to Judge - but Ahmadi beliefs are kufr and anybody who embraces them is leaving Islam and entering Kufr
Just one thing i wana point out also.. is Why do Ahmadi call them selves Ahmadi and NOT 'Qadyaani'..the reason for this is what i think is that 'Around the world and honestly ive traveled to saudi, and home of Imam Shafi RA Egypt and even lived there for 3 years ..I ve not come acorss anyone who would / will favour teh Ahamdi / qadyani belief .. i ve even asked my Dr/professors in the Uni .. You may have heard of Al Azhar uni in Cairo..Even they are Not in favour of teh Ahamdi belief. Now keeping this in mind .. the Qadyani have been so Not Accepted in the Muslim World in Majority because of the False beleifs..So now the new 'motto' of Qadyani IS to propogate Ahmadi belief ..Yet ITS the same thing.. and ofcorse those muslims or those whove not had the chance to see Islam like in 3rd world countries or mexio etc .. the ahmadi way is tell em their version and even if ppl know about qadyani.. now ahmadi will and DO propogate that we are ahmadi and ahamdi is the way farward yet they NEVER discuss qadyani incase ppl get the hint .. YET Qadyani IS Ahmadi.
Re: Treatment of some GS members for Ahmadis here.
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FBI, very impressive Mashallah - yes i'm familiar with Al Azhar Uni
You're right exactly that "bhays badal ke bevquf banana" is what Ahmadis/Qadianis are trying to do. And you are also absolutely right that nowhere, no matter which sect or which school of thought you talk to, is Ahmadiyat/Qadiyaniat accepted
Ahmadis say it is insulting for them to be called "Qadiani" as Qadian is merely the birthplace of their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - yet they ignore the fact that he himself called himself Qadiani - and on top of that, as many Muslims say, we would be proud and happy to be called "Makki" or "Madni" - we would never take it as insult, so why these folks are taking it as insult when people call them "Qadiani" - you are right that it is all an attempt to misguide and mislead those who do not yet know about this Fitnah
FBI, very impressive Mashallah - yes i'm familiar with Al Azhar Uni
You're right exactly that "bhays badal ke bevquf banana" is what Ahmadis/Qadianis are trying to do. And you are also absolutely right that nowhere, no matter which sect or which school of thought you talk to, is Ahmadiyat/Qadiyaniat accepted
Ahmadis say it is insulting for them to be called "Qadiani" as Qadian is merely the birthplace of their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - yet they ignore the fact that he himself called himself Qadiani - and on top of that, as many Muslims say, we would be proud and happy to be called "Makki" or "Madni" - we would never take it as insult, so why these folks are taking it as insult when people call them "Qadiani" - you are right that it is all an attempt to misguide and mislead those who do not yet know about this Fitnah
may Allah guide us all
Aameen - Summa Aamen.
Just to clarify your dua ..if i may. when you say guide us ..its actually the translation of 'ihdinass siraatal mustaqeem' and Mufassireen have said that this has three meanings;
1) If on the rightly guided path then KEEP us stead fast on it.
2) if on the right path, do not let us go ff track.
and much suitable translation here in the issue...
3) Bring/show us the rightly guided path.. and to translate / clarify this .. i d insert the hadith of Prophet SAW .. where He SAW said that in time of 'fitna' chaos .. a person who follows my sunnah will get teh reward of 100 shaheeds... and WHAT is the sunnah of the Prophet SAW .. something from the top of my head .. is that .. there will come after me 30 kazzaabs - liars ..who will claim prophet hood yet i am the FINAL messenger and NO one will come after me...and even in time of prophet SAW .. a idiot called 'musailma' claimed so and was named ''kazzaaab'' - emphasised .. HE WAS A LIAR..
so anyone or any sect who dont even accept the hadith that the prophet didnt mention ''except if Allah wishes'' .. yet this is nt the case as Prophet saw said there will be NO ONE ..
Just one thing i wana point out also.. is Why do Ahmadi call them selves Ahmadi and NOT 'Qadyaani'..the reason for this is what i think is that 'Around the world and honestly ive traveled to saudi, and home of Imam Shafi RA Egypt and even lived there for 3 years ..I ve not come acorss anyone who would / will favour teh Ahamdi / qadyani belief .. i ve even asked my Dr/professors in the Uni .. You may have heard of Al Azhar uni in Cairo..Even they are Not in favour of teh Ahamdi belief. Now keeping this in mind .. the Qadyani have been so Not Accepted in the Muslim World in Majority because of the False beleifs..So now the new 'motto' of Qadyani IS to propogate Ahmadi belief ..Yet ITS the same thing.. and ofcorse those muslims or those whove not had the chance to see Islam like in 3rd world countries or mexio etc .. the ahmadi way is tell em their version and even if ppl know about qadyani.. now ahmadi will and DO propogate that we are ahmadi and ahamdi is the way farward yet they NEVER discuss qadyani incase ppl get the hint .. YET Qadyani IS Ahmadi.
^What ?
Qadiyani is your version of calling Ahmadis. They're known as Ahmadi Muslims.
Secondly, we dont enjoy being hatred. No one practice their religion/beliefs knowing its wrong.
questioner_, everyone is murtid in your eyes, and you're murtid in the eyes of many. Who kills who? Who draws the line ? Neither you , nor i know.
In the end, i'd say a sher (persian) of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi (AS).
Badaz khuda ba ishq Muhammad(SAW) mukhammaram
Gar kufr aen bawad bakhuda sakht kaafaram
Enjoy your life, but remember if you cant do anything good for someone, try not doing bad either.
Re: Treatment of some GS members for Ahmadis here.
FBI Jazak Allah for providing this knowledge and pointing these facts out. May Allah SWT safeguard us from all Fitnah. it is so sad that Ahmadis turn away from all facts and refuse to accept the basic fundamental belief of Islam that there will be no Prophet after Hazrat Mohammad SAW.
Mr. Popat, FBI explained who is a murtid. i have also explained it to you previously. at a very basic level, a murtid is one who leaves faith knowingly after having understood it.
i do not understand persian so cannot understand this sher.
as for doing good, i am doing a lot of good by telling people the truth about Ahmadiyat. and you think it is a good idea to stay on living the life of an Ahmadi? think again. i know how Ahmadis feel from inside. it is better for you as well to embrace the truth.