Tragic Drownings, who is to blame!!

I know it is easy to blame human traffickers. However I have been saying that the bad attitude of many overseas Pakistanis who are full of seething hate for the west and are enemies of this society share a large portion of the blame. It is their belligerent attitudes and bad behaviour in society that has limited the opportunities for Pakistanis to move to the west.

I used to see scores of immigrants from Pakistan in early 2000 and due to unfortunate circumstances the immigration has severely declined. We are flooded with immigration from India, Philippines, Nepal.

So let us reflect on how our behaviour has torpedoed the chances of many Pakistanis wanting to move to the west

إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّآ إِلَيْهِ رَٰجِعُونَ
Very tragic accident indeed. Eye witness accounts indicate that it was a horrible journey and a painful death. I don’t want to give a philosophical and academic answer. I think Greek coast guards are directly responsible. The engine of the boat had failed and the boat remained in the same spot for at least 7 hours before it capsized. Ships and helicopters of Greek coastguards were all around and over the boat as per the tracking data, yet they did not rescued them. The sea at that spot is roughly 3 kilometers deep, and I’ve heard many Pakistanis were forced into the lowest portion of the boat so had no chance of ever getting out of there and there is little chance of their bodies getting recovered.

Overseas Pakistanis do a lot for Pakistan even if you aren’t doing anything for the country.

Look at where Pakistan is now since NRPs sent about $4 billion less this year than last year. Pakistani has a quasi democracy for many years so it is ultimately the selfish establishment + elites and then the awaam that keeps re-electing bad leaders in Pakistan. People are also to blame when they have a dozen kids but don’t have resources to raise them. They should remember that quality trumps quantity in the end.

Lack of opportunities to immigrate legally falls squarely on bad behaviours of people who immigrated. There are people who are anti society here, promote extremism, fight with employers and establishment, many came with fake degrees, many come with poor quality education and really bad attitudes. Canada has benefited immensely by Indian immigrants, they are promoting students, temporary workers to get immigration status. We get 11k from Pak, 120k from India.
Both husband wife work and do not have instances of fighting with the social system here.
Same with Filipino and also Nigerians who become positive members of society and Canada becomes more open to immigration from there.

Population control is the key of majority of illness of Pakistan. Bring back the population back to 1971 level in the next 3 decades. Strong laws should be passed for 2 children per couple and marriage age for women 25 and men 28. If someone violates the laws, khassi kardo in ko. Pakistan is now over populated chasing to few resources with so many people, facing disaster after disaster like above one.

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You have the likes of Tariq Jameel encouraging 7 to 8 kids per wife and multiple wives in families with below poverty line incomes.

He has amassed billions of Rs, I don’t understand from where he got the so much money, even he is selling MTJ brand salwar qamees highly over priced in the the market, he could not have Rs. 66 billions in the banks :slight_smile: . However strong laws on polygamy and number of children permitted should be passed otherwise poor people will keep on drowning in the Mediterranean Sea.

I would say its mindset of our people. People spend all their lives laid back. When faced with practical life challenges, start running for shortcuts. Politician would hardly do anything for you. Unless you start realizing your rights and stop wasting time on hunting for govt/easy jobs, there is no change.

lol, polygamy or having more children is not the issue. real thing is materialists want their endless greed of consuming resources continue.

oh you cab drivers :) you dont understand economy. think beyond a shopkeeper's mind. Economy is when you start building capacity to manufacture, improve, compete and export. did any of our local investor aimed at it? NO.

Most of your buddies would sell their souls for an opportunity to drive cabs here. I had heard that in NY at one point Taxi Medallion sold for over million. I know many truck drivers who are billionaire.

I will teach you some basic facts to improve your economy:

  1. Dont bite the hand that feeds you. After taking billions in aid, you have to stop feeding hatred to little children in Madrassas
  2. Disband the military, no one in their right mindset would want anything to do with you, Army is like hiring most expensive security for negatively valued asset.
  3. More universities than Madrassas.
  4. Don’t show disdain for hard working people whose tax dollars have enabled for food supply and keeping Military operational. Taxi plates at one point sold for a million.

If you and your friends have such high intellect, why is that country begging for aid?

How are you planning to feed the additional people?

I hope you are not making fun of Pakistanis who drive taxis in the West. They are far superior than your corrupt, incompetent economists who always lick the a$$es of IMF or other $s providing countries. A$$ licking is still going on, hope that IMF would release $2.5 billions today. The best house if owned by any Pakistani in Texas I have ever seen in America and Canada both is owned by Pakistani taxi driver costing 43 crores. “dekhta ja aor sharmata ja”:smiley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xh2feJ8iCU

By the way I still stand by population control and reduction of the population of Pakistan to 1971 level. Why I am saying that because Pakistan is not as huge as USA, Canada, China or even India. The limited land can only sustain a given number of souls, definitely not supporting population explosion. A glare example is of Bangladesh former East Pakistan, whose population was more that West Pakistan in 1971. Now it is far behind than West Pakistan, now Pakistan. At present its economy is far superior than economy of Pakistan.

The comment was on lighter note but we know no nation became great because of expat dollars.

  1. No one hates you. The point is if you were a good engineer back home and our investor would invest for creating more jobs (local manufacturing) instead of keep a donkey work business like import vehicle parts and assemble, it would have been even better. Not only it will help them sustain business will also control brain drain.

  2. It will take couple of decades. Seems like kick start is done by Ik.

  3. There more institutes than you can count in LHR alone. Issue is our institutes are not attached to market and are not producing entrepreneurs. Universities there are fully integrated with market. Here, Master in business are doing counter and field sales jobs which a matriculation guy can do. Master in science are giving tutions in academies. You cannot imagine a Master in chemistry guy doing textile chemicals job for example. So we need to get quality not quantity.

  4. I have already said that pakistanis for most are below average intelligent. People need to get out of sarkari job mindset and go for entrepreneurships.

Not really. However their intelligence is utilized on negative things. e.g their creativity is used in making money by unfair means, how to downgrade opponents or who you dislike etc., Looking at Pakistani drama series, the talent is far better than Bollywood or Hollywood. Only good leadership without the interference of mullahs or establishment is needed to set the direction of the country. At the moment, Pakistanis are still wandering for the last 78 years to find the purpose of existence and God knows how many more years to follow.

Back to the topic, those who send people illegally abroad are well connected and they share money with those who look after their interests. Only a slight procedure change is needed to avoid such catastrophes. The agencies make sure to provide a good quality life saving jackets, fully certified Made in China. :slight_smile:

Well, however you want to put it. Our youth, the educated lot is busy discussing perfumes, cars and new stuff arrival. Check any facebook post comment, .01% would be related to topic of post.
mullah’s contribution to ignorance is that we see in the form of TLP, rest is maintained by political leaders and dictators.

Sometimes, when next hop is not clear, agents do want people die.

I think the educated there have very poor quality education, I had hired someone
graduated from Lums has a masters and doing Ph.D in Malaysia and he really did not know the basics and could not write even one sentence properly.
The downfall is due to not investing in education.

Unbelievable. Lums is a priced institution, mostly sons and daughters of elite filthy rich can go that institution of Lahore. In Pakistan it is believed that ‘jinay Lums wich nahi parhaya oho chitta unparth’:smiley:

After research, scholars with other domain people, attempt to apply the research in industry or at smaller level. In Pakistan, research is done to clear the exams and get degree. Application of research is an alien thing here.
LUMS has powerful alumni and placement department, that help their students get great jobs.


So you think an highly educated individual will construct a post like you have here? Jub khud jaahil hou tou kaise kisi parhe likhe ko pehchan sukte hou?

Joke’s on you again. Considering you’re not giving Lums the respect it is given globally. Lums is not your nayi roshni jaisa school, chawal insan.

I guess a world ranking of 540 is respect for you! I have never heard of Lums graduates offered immigration here, I see thousands of Indian graduates offered jobs and immigration here.