Please, don’t hold to them like they’re some sacred religion themselves.
So if Islam is against a tradition or goes against it should be chucked out or if it does not make sense there is no point having them.
Justifying it by saying ‘‘people hold onto traditions’’, well buddies, there was a tradition of burrying daughters alive or killing them when they’re born in some parts even now or frowning upon the birth of the daughter, doesn’t make it right does it.
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Wich traditions are you talking about?
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Seriously, Islam has made it so simple, but we have to make it so much harder with traditions. If a couple is nikah-fied the marriage is COMPLETE, there is no need for this ruksiti crap to hold a couple back in their new life together.
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Exactly thats the problem in our society. We don't follow religion as we follow those pathetic old traditions. Our generation is trying to change these traditions and InshaAllah our next generation will end these traditions.
Hope for the best
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Exactly thats the problem in our society. We don't follow religion as we follow those pathetic old traditions. Our generation is trying to change these traditions and InshaAllah our next generation will end these traditions.
Hope for the best
The next generation is also making up some new traditions which have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. The reality is, we're only going to deviate more and more from Islam as the time progresses.
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The next generation is also making up some new traditions which have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. The reality is, we're only going to deviate more and more from Islam as the time progresses.
Like what?
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blinding.
worse than blind faith
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Like what?
I'm assuming from the above comments that this thread is about the rukhsati tradition? If that has nothing to do with Islam then neither does dating, dancing, extravagant mehendis, and other pointless customs which seem to be very popular with the present generation.
And we know for a fact that the next generation is going to deviate further from Islam since we're told that Islam will become worn out and it has been slowly but surely.
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I'm assuming from the above comments that this thread is about the rukhsati tradition? If that has nothing to do with Islam then neither does dating, dancing, extravagant mehendis, and other pointless customs which seem to be very popular with the present generation.
And we know for a fact that the next generation is going to deviate further from Islam since we're told that Islam will become worn out and it has been slowly but surely.
I don't think anyone would claim that dating, dancing yadda yadda has anything to do with Islam. However, the rukhsati tradition has been given a religious like significance with people making a halal think sound haram.
To be honest, while half of the present generation is indeed going in that direction, the other half is rediscovering Islam. So many people are learning Arabic and going to Islamic classes to understand the religion better. New parents are teaching their children Arabic as a language, not just to recite Quran. In the last 10 years, I have seen a real shift towards Islam. I don't remember people gathering for prayer when I was younger (unless you were in a very religious home), but now whenever there is a gathering, someone will lead jamaat - this hasn't been instigated by the elders but by the younger generation.
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Barbie, this thread is about traditions namely Rukhasti.
I think you got confused as I am NOT against Rukhasti as it is, what I AM against is two people having Nikkah but being unable to meet because via the made-up excuse by elders that ''they haven't had a Rukhaasti yet''.
Completely WRONG.
However, the rukhsati tradition has been given a religious like significance with people making a halal think sound haram.
Yeah I agree
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I don't think anyone would claim that dating, dancing yadda yadda has anything to do with Islam. However, the rukhsati tradition has been given a religious like significance with people making a halal think sound haram.
To be honest, while half of the present generation is indeed going in that direction, the other half is rediscovering Islam. So many people are learning Arabic and going to Islamic classes to understand the religion better. New parents are teaching their children Arabic as a language, not just to recite Quran. In the last 10 years, I have seen a real shift towards Islam. I don't remember people gathering for prayer when I was younger (unless you were in a very religious home), but now whenever there is a gathering, someone will lead jamaat - this hasn't been instigated by the elders but by the younger generation.
MashaAllah but may be that is more relevant to the UK/US. I haven't seen any major changes in Ireland. And Pakistan has definitely not become more Islamic during the last 10 years.
Shak, ofcourse I agree with you there. All I'm saying is, for every pointless tradition that has died out, we have created a new one.
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Lahore is more non-Muslim than some desi parts of London 
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Exactly. It may seem like people are more attached to their religion in the UK/US where there’s so much controversy about the religion but really, looking at the bigger picture, the present generation is nowhere near as close to Islam as the previous generations might have been.
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Ahh.. Pakistan. I would like to hypothesise that is because it values tradition and culture over religion. Second and third generation Pakistani's outside of Pakistan are realising that their main identity is Islam, with being British, American or Pakistani secondary. So we are seeing a re-emergence of Islamic traditions.
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Noone is near the ''perfect'' Islam. Not present, not past. People have twisted it and continue to do so to sometimes keep in power, or just deliberately to take advantage of others.
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I agree with both of you there.
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Not everyone in Pakistan is Muslim so it wouldn't be fair to them to say that Islam = Pakistani culture.
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Ahh.. Pakistan. I would like to hypothesise that is because it values tradition and culture over religion. Second and third generation Pakistani's outside of Pakistan are realising that their main identity is Islam, with being British, American or Pakistani secondary. So we are seeing a re-emergence of Islamic traditions.
I would add it is because people haven't seen the bad effects of political islam in UK / US, as it is just a religion there like it should have been in Pakistan as well. Namaz is just one thing, but I think that at least in UK, it is generally not going in the right direction with the extremism that is happening.
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MashaAllah but may be that is more relevant to the UK/US. I haven't seen any major changes in Ireland.
That may be because of the population size of Muslims in Ireland, as well as how long they have been in Ireland as a whole. Once enough influx of Muslims is there, and they have been living there long enough, rest assured, they will follow the same pattern.
Exactly. It may seem like people are more attached to their religion in the UK/US where there's so much controversy about the religion but really, looking at the bigger picture, the present generation is nowhere near as close to Islam as the previous generations might have been.
I disagree. The previous generations were not that Islamic either. If they were, it was something they followed blindly, not really understanding it. Take for example recitation of Quran. The older generation will recite it in an Urdu accent, which is completely wrong. The newer generation realizes that that is wrong, and either re-learns or teaches their children to recite in Arabic, not read it in Urdu. Similarly, the newer generation understands what is being taught to them, vs just doing it because they're parents had told them to do so.
Ahh.. Pakistan. I would like to hypothesise that is because it values tradition and culture over religion. Second and third generation Pakistani's outside of Pakistan are realising that their main identity is Islam, with being British, American or Pakistani secondary. So we are seeing a re-emergence of Islamic traditions.
I have my own theories about that, but that just might be another thread topic.
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I would add it is because people haven't seen the bad effects of political islam in UK / US, as it is just a religion there like it should have been in Pakistan as well. Namaz is just one thing, but I think that at least in UK, it is generally not going in the right direction with the extremism that is happening.
I think extremism is very much a minority phenomenon, although the media makes us believe it is a lot more prevalent. And usually the people that go in that direction have gone from a state of ignorance to brainwashing. Long bearded young men are becoming a lot more common but that doesn't mean they hold extreme views, at least none that I have come in contact with.