Re: Toxic Fazal...
It is very simple , There was no need of military courts , We could do more by setting some new special courts with new laws . Army used Peshawar to take more control . Had hoti hay magar in koi had hi naheen
waiqay hee had hotie hai..app bee had kartay hain uncle
i am starting another fresh thread on military courts now..please answer my questions there
Re: Toxic Fazal...
waiqay hee had hotie hai..app bee had kartay hain uncle
i am starting another fresh thread on military courts now..please answer my questions there
no need of fresh , old one is good
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no need of fresh , old one is good
the fresh one will put you on spot...so please do visit!
Re: Toxic Fazal…
MQM aor us key ithadeon k terrorist mein say 99% bagair darhi kay hain :cobra:
yeh kis ney kaha hay kah TTP ko kuch nah kaha jay ? hoi koi aisi bat ?
masla yah hay kah MQM ko keon chora jay
Re: Toxic Fazal…
Soulat Mirza ka latka dia hay kia ? :cobra:
Re: Toxic Fazal…
Issi like Militarty courts laa rahay haiN, kay aainda Saholat Mirza jaisay laTkayaiN ja sakay, aainda koy 30 second pehlay maafi nama na lay ker aa jaye, aainada koy Political Party govt ko black mail ker kay Saholat Mirza & Ajmal Pahari ko na bacha sakay, tak Malik Ishaaq jis nay masjidooN maiN firing kerwa’i woh choot ker mazeed blast na kerwata phiray…
Re: Toxic Fazal...
^^^ In time of wars, if anyone is accusing army of anything then that person should be guilty of dividing the unity of the nation at these tough times. Period.
Army is taking them out, yesterday in Lahore their local commander has been sent to hell, i hope many others will follow him there. I stand with my Army with my country and would remember the role of those likes of Fazal ur Rehman and others who are creating confusions!!!
QFMFT!
Re: Toxic Fazal...
I have been very critical of the army and how they have handled the wars in balochistan and fata. Considering that our judicial system has not been able to punish a single terrorist in 8 years, I don't think there's a choice other than going for military courts in the present circumstances. As far as people like fazl are concerned they should be the lady people to be talking about terrorism as their colleagues are carrying out this mayhem. Conflict if interest for him...
Re: Toxic Fazal...
To Iconoclast's comments, every group is guilty of ethnic-crime. If you think the Punjabis are innocent, they're not, they've created a number of policies that favor their own people in positions of power. Many people have left Pakistan because they're not related to some Punjabi superman powerhouse family, and because they're not Punjabi and provinces aren't getting their share of the resources they need to develop. This is a fact. Every other group is guilty of ethnic discimination too. You see this clearly in Karachi where although it's a "melting" pot in a way, there are individual ghettos of the different communities TO THIS DAY. And if you're not from a community, good luck making it in an piece of land in Karachi run by another ethnicity. Pathans and Urdu speaker are fighting each other in Karachi. Sindhis treat everyone like ****. Balochis don't wanna have anything to do with Pakistan anymore.
It's not just the MQM. Their policies have been bloody but as you can see, there is a demand on Altaf's head, that's why he can't return to Pakistan. Minute he steps in here, they're going to book him and throw him in prison.
Can we say the same for the maulvis? They're sitting stone's throw away from Islamabad, and talking treason and no one dares arrest them, and put them thru a trial. Comon man, the first and fore-most problem is terrorism, and cutting their funding.
And again I say that there are probably some powerful dogs protecting these guys, otherwise, if this was 1960's, they'd have been tossed into some dark dingy prison to rot.
Lapdog of Altaf is governor of Sindh i.e IshratulIbad.
Show me how many people have Punjabis killed in other provinces? One third of urdu speakers live in Punjab, show me how many have been killed?
Re: Toxic Fazal...
unbelievable...
anyway, so based on what i heard from the majority in this therad....our nation/govt/army needs to have same level of commitment, passion, nafrat, willpower , hatred, and consensuses to eradicate MQM as is needed to eradicate these animals called TTP and madarssas which are spreading cancer of religious fundamentalism................unbelievable
so you guys believe that both MQM and Taliban are "equally" toxic and cancerous for our country and that the public demand is to execute them both ruthlessly? ... fully knowing that no matter how much we hate MQM, it has been taking part in every election in last 30 years and is at least part of the political system ... and TTP?
i guess USA/UK/India/china all of them shd have finished any internal unrest before taking on terrorism!
and by the way, once MQM is finished...we will find some-other target to finish first and in the meantime these animals TTP will keep getting some cover.
Nobody is creating confusion other than you.
If we are fighting Taliban , it does not mean rest of terrorists should be let off, the criminals should roam freely. Rather this is exactly the time to send a message to all terrorists that stop screwing around. Thats exactly what US did, IRA was declared a terrorist organisation by US after 9/11.
MQM is not equally toxic now, but it has all the potential to become one.
BTW you are acting just like Taliban apologist way of arguing, acknowledge all the crime committed by MQM or Balochs, yet coming out with a BUT factor, to trivialize, dodge, and oppose any action against them.
Re: Toxic Fazal...
MQM's aor jehadi terrorists ek hain. Donon ko phansi ek saath lagni chaiay. aamne saamne take donon jahanum raseed hone se pehlay apni laanti shiklen dekh len
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I have been very critical of the army and how they have handled the wars in balochistan and fata. Considering that our judicial system has not been able to punish a single terrorist in 8 years, I don't think there's a choice other than going for military courts in the present circumstances. As far as people like fazl are concerned they should be the lady people to be talking about terrorism as their colleagues are carrying out this mayhem. Conflict if interest for him...
All being hanged now a days , many of those convicted by civil courts
God Fathers view is now changed only but still only for Taliban
Saulat Mirza is still their favorite
Re: Toxic Fazal...
Nobody is creating confusion other than you.
If we are fighting Taliban , it does not mean rest of terrorists should be let off, the criminals should roam freely. Rather this is exactly the time to send a message to all terrorists that stop screwing around. Thats exactly what US did, IRA was declared a terrorist organisation by US after 9/11.
MQM is not equally toxic now, but it has all the potential to become one.
BTW you are acting just like Taliban apologist way of arguing, acknowledge all the crime committed by MQM or Balochs, yet coming out with a BUT factor, to trivialize, dodge, and oppose any action against them.
fine...I am creating confusion.
Anyway, all i am saying that I am afraid, adding political crimes into this list will open a Pandora box that will immediately compromise the unity and consensus that we need to fright against the war on terrorism. These military courts shd be focused on investigating suicide bombs, terrorism activities (Peshawar school, attacks on buildings etc) and sectarian violence but once you start bringing political parties and related activities and crimes into this list it will be a **** show.
War on terrorism requires complete unity whereas politically motivated crimes or issues will have different voices and opinions (as is the case in any country or society..you will never have complete unity)and you don't want army to be dragged into it and therefore political crimes should be dealt in civilian courts.
that is all. both of us have stated our viewpoints and i feel like we are going in circles ( at least I am)...appreciate the input.
Re: Toxic Fazal…
zara thandey dimagh say soch bhia is per :cobra:
[RIGHT]دراصل ہوا کچھ یوں کہ جب پاکستان میں مذہبی جنگ (جہاد) کو لیگل قرار دیا گیا تھا اس وقت بہت سے غنڈے، جرائم پیشہ افراد اور ٹاگٹ کلر وغیرہ نے ڈاڑھیاں رکھیں، پگڑیاں باندھیں اور طالبان کا لیبل لگا کر اپنی دہشت گرد کاروائیوں (اغواء برائے تاوان، ٹارگٹ کلنگ وغیرہ) کو “لیگل” بنا لیا.
اب سانحہ پشاور کے بعد جب ہمیں زور کا جھٹکا لگا تو ہم نے ان کے خلاف کاروائی کا سوچا. اس کے لئے آئین میں ترمیم کی گئی. لیکن اس ترمیم میں یہ غلطی ہوئی کہ “مذہب” لفظ ڈال دیا گیا. جس سے یہ نقصان ہوگا کہ وہ لوگ جنہوں نے “مذہب کے نام پر دہشت گردی” کے جواز کے زمانے میں ڈاڑھیاں رکھیں تھی، وہ اب ڈاڑھیاں کاٹ کر لبرل بن کر دہشت گردی شروع کر دیں گے.** کیونکہ اکیسویں ترمیم کے مطابق جو دہشت گردی مذہب کے نام پر نہیں ہو گی اسے فوجی عدالتوں میں پیش نہیں کیا جائے گا. اور انہیں سزائے موت بھی نہیں ہوگی. جیسے صولت مرزا کی سزائے موت کینسل ہو گئی.
لہٰذا پاکستان میں امن قائم نہیں ہوگا.**[/RIGHT]
Re: Toxic Fazal...
^^^This will be ultimately outcome of military courts. It will create more terrorists than eliminating them.
Re: Toxic Fazal…
Baja farmaya janaab nay,
MQM ya kisi bhi aur lasaani group ko filhaal ignore kiya gaya hay, iss key eak wajaah tu maiN uper bayaan ker chuka hooN… dosri wajaah bhi sun laiN… hum sub kay peer, peeran-e-peer janab Altaf hussain, itnay baRay peer haiN kay unhay la’muhala aaj ka Hasan Bin Sabah kaha ja sakta hay, un kay shr say laRnay kay liya baqaida planning aur fouji taqat key zaroorat hay.
aur iss kay bawajood unhay kyoN ignore kiya ja raha hay, tu sun laiN, France attacks kay baray maiN aur PaRh hi chukay hooNgay, farz karaiN eak aur 9/11 type attack kaheen ho jata hay, tu konsa mulk hay jahaaN Mazhabi terrorist ko Adaltain Free ker raheeN haiN???
issay iss taraah bhi samjha ja sakta hay kay app kay gher maiN do probelms haiN, eak kamray ka bulb fuse ho gaya hay aur dosray kamray maiN aah lagee hay tu app bulb laynay jayaiN gaay ya sub kaam choR ker aaag bhujayaiN gaay… kyoN kay aag app kay saath saath app kay paRosi kay gher ko bhi lapaiT lay lay gee
Re: Toxic Fazal...
Lapdog of Altaf is governor of Sindh i.e IshratulIbad.
Show me how many people have Punjabis killed in other provinces? One third of urdu speakers live in Punjab, show me how many have been killed?
Do punjabi taliban, LET and SSP count?
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Do punjabi taliban, LET and SSP count?
She was claiming Punjabi ethnic crimes against other groups. The abov are part of Taliban and there are military courts for them.
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Not for LEJ and SSP, are they? I have heard that only violent groups would be prosecuted and nawaz can't prosecute his jhangvi friends.