glad Dawn has pointed out the pathetic role of Fazal Rahman in dividing state and society on issue of terrorism
God, how and when will we get rid of this religious monopoly on our siciety . this politically motivated religious fraternity has become a huge maafia …so much money, weapons involved.
[Editorial](http://www.dawn.com/authors/2677/)
Updated about 12 hours ago
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JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman.—INP Photo
OBFUSCATION, deception and wrongful conflation are the usual tools of the religious right when it comes to attacking any form of consensus on the need for state and society to focus seriously on the fight against militancy.
Now, it is the turn of Maulana Fazlur Rehman of the JUI-F to try and create doubts in the minds of the public about what the principal internal threat is in Pakistan and suggest that there is some kind of conspiracy afoot against madressahs, conservative Muslims and the religious right here. Also read: Fazl mobilising religious parties to protest against military courts law
Clearly, the 21st Amendment is a deeply flawed, undemocratic piece of legislation, and anti-terrorism military courts for civilians are a blow to the democratic project.
There are many good and proper reasons to oppose draconian laws on grounds of principle and in practice too. But in criticising the 21st Amendment to the Constitution and an amendment to the Army Act for singling out religious militants for trial in military courts and threatening to launch a national movement, the JUI-F chief is simply pandering to his base — and doing his best to confuse issues.
To be clear, the principal internal threat in Pakistan today is terrorism and militancy in the name of religion — simply, the Islamist militancy, terrorism and extremist threat. In trying to lump other groups carrying out political violence together with Islamist groups waging war against the Pakistani state and society, Maulana Fazlur Rehman appears to be deliberately trying to dilute the national consensus and create fresh discord between state and society.
Political groups embracing separatist or sub-nationalist ideologies inside Pakistan do resort to violence. But, inspired by a sense of disenfranchisement and exclusion from mainstream Pakistan, those non-religious, secular movements need to be won over by political action at the macro level and thwarted in their violent agenda by more effective law-enforcement and intelligence-gathering at the micro level to prevent attacks.
To its credit, the wider political class understands the very fundamental difference between the overarching Islamist militancy threat and small-scale, regional groups that have turned to violence to achieve otherwise justifiable political aims of inclusivity and equality. Hence the very specific focus in the new legislation on the much bigger and more potent Islamist threat.
It is fairly obvious that by demanding all forms of armed militancy be treated in the same way — ie the new military courts regime be used against all groups that have resorted to any kind of political violence— the JUI-F is trying to drive a wedge between state and society and ensure that the effect of the National Action Plan and military courts embedded within that plan is minimal.
To do so makes sense for the JUI-F because of an unpleasant truth: the party continues to sympathise with and have allies in the world of Islamist militant groups here. The JUI-F is yet positioning itself on the wrong side of a democratic, inclusive, moderate Pakistan. Published in Dawn, January 10th, 2015 On a mobile phone? Get the Dawn Mobile App: Apple Store | Google Play
why do people shun such voices in totality? Why his stance on Saulat Mirza execution is not being taken seriously, just because we are following the definition of terrorism as promoted by so called liberals like Altaf Hussain?
why do people shun such voices in totality? Why his stance on Saulat Mirza execution is not being taken seriously, just because we are following the definition of terrorism as promoted by so called liberals like Altaf Hussain?
so what is molana fazal's definition of terrorism
and what is liberal altaf's definition of terrorism?
please enlighten us because i am now totally confused....if we are not even agreed on definition of terrorism yet, hamara allah hee hafiz hai
see that is what people like molana fazal do..divide and confuse the nation
dawn walon key bolti DON Altaf ka baray mein boltay hoye band keon ho jati hay :cobra:
jub MQM aor dosri jamaton k takhreeb kar khulay am phiray giey to har dosra banda uth ker aisi he batein karay ga. Danda sub k liye hona chahiye chahay woh solat mirza ho ya lahorie :sunnyboy:
what is this…where is altaf coming into this whole discussion?
what kind of attitude is this? everyone knows i have nothing to do with altaf or mqm …i dont support MQM but i am talking about the biggest cancer called fundamentalism and terrorism and what fazal is doing to confuse nation..and in response people are yelling at altaf
if govt is soft on altaf that is wrong too but using him as an excuse to save fazal is pathetic
so what is molana fazal's definition of terrorism
and what is liberal altaf's definition of terrorism?
please enlighten us because i am now totally confused....if we are not even agreed on definition of terrorism yet, hamara allah hee hafiz hai
see that is what people like molana fazal do..divide and confuse the nation
Molana has rightly confused already confused lot who are happy with the terms religious terrorism.
What has Karachiites experienced over 3 decades is not religious terrorism. Is it? Bhatta-khori, china cutting, Land mafiya and resultant target killings? isn't it terrorism? Who are the major players of this bloody game? religious madarsas? Banori Town or Dar l Uloom? or its Nine Zero?
Why don't they execute already convicted people like Saulat Mirza who are terrorists without any doubt for people of Karachi, but heroes for MQM. Same MQM which is celebrating establishment of military courts. Because MQM knows army ke baap main tappaR nahin un ke ghundon ko execute karne ki.
jub sitf mullaon ko ilzam dia jay ga to phir altaf ka ziker e khair bhi aaye ga :cobra:
aik lathi say jub sub ko nahin hanka jay ga to sawal sub k zahnon mein ubhrain gaiay.
ager fazul rehman cancer hey to Altaf AIDS hay.
Jis din sub dahshat gardoon ka woh khawah TTP, SSP, LEK, Simpah e muhammadi, ISO, MQM, PPP, ANP, PML N k bila imtiaz saza milay gi to mein bhi kahoon ga fazul rehman ghalat hay warnah jiss tarah yeh sub theek hain to woh bhi thee hay
Molana has rightly confused already confused lot who are happy with the terms religious terrorism.
What has Karachiites experienced over 3 decades is not religious terrorism. Is it? Bhatta-khori, china cutting, Land mafiya and resultant target killings? isn't it terrorism? Who are the major players of this bloody game? religious madarsas? Banori Town or Dar l Uloom? or its Nine Zero?
Why don't they execute already convicted people like Saulat Mirza who are terrorists without any doubt for people of Karachi, but heroes for MQM. Same MQM which is celebrating establishment of military courts. Because MQM knows army ke baap main tappaR nahin un ke ghundon ko execute karne ki.
oh meray payaray bhai sahib, if you want to open a thread to bash MQM and why state has not addressed MQM so far, please do so. I will be happy to comment there
that is a completely separate topic. What MQM has done or is doing and what Taliban and their god father fazul rehmman are doing are two separate topics. please dont mix them.
MQM terrorism vs Taleban Terrorism - no comparison at the moment - (i strongly condemn not to hang MQM terrorists) - but so far they have not killed any kids or they did not attack mosques or religious places like taleban and their supporters have done so far.
MQM terrorism vs Taleban Terrorism - no comparison at the moment - (i strongly condemn not to hang MQM terrorists) - but so far they have not killed any kids or they did not attack mosques or religious places like taleban and their supporters have done so far.
There should be no comparison between same acts. killing someone on religious grounds or for materialistic purposes lead to same result. Loss of lives and insecurity in society. Why should not people who got killed in Karachi get justice from these ilhami Military courts, which are being considered as only solution by every Tom, Dick and Harry?
If you come up with these solutions where 'Taliban ka kutta kutta, aur MQM ka kutta hero', then people like Diesel get level playing field.
PS: MQM requested all of us Karachiites to close business tomorrow. ab pata nahin unka kon sa kutta mara gaya
oh meray payaray bhai sahib, if you want to open a thread to bash MQM and why state has not addressed MQM so far, please do so. I will be happy to comment there
that is a completely separate topic. What MQM has done or is doing and what Taliban and their god father fazul rehmman are doing are two separate topics. please dont mix them.
This is the selective and hypocrite standards that earn society polarisation. aam aadmi marta rahe, kuch nahin hota. Salala Attack can lead to ban on NATO supplies. Peshawer main army officers ke bache shaheed hote hain (They are also innocent and by no way their murderers be forgiven), forun se phansiyan lagna shrro ho jati hain. Why hypocritical silent on killing of hundreds of Hazara / Baloch children? Didn't they deserve all these measures and activity of military courts?
Why religion is being abused by the killers like MQM, corrupts like PPP and kursi ki hawas ke maare PML(N)? This dodgy amendment in constitution to address only one kind of terrorism (religious), will do no good to society, as selective justice is no justice.
Thats absolute bullcrap and this has been rightly pointed out by Moulana Diesel, if for once he has uttered something correct. You cannot simply cannot differentiate terrorism based upon ideology.
Any group that is killing innocent civilians of Pakistan regardless of ideology has to be made example of. Why would you want to differentiate terrorists who stop a bus and kill the shias, from those terrorists that stop a bus and kill Punjabis?
And those of our friends that say MQM has not killed children, pray tell me the, should only children killing Taliban be hanged and the rest spared?
Thats absolute bullcrap and this has been rightly pointed out by Moulana Diesel, if for once he has uttered something correct. You cannot simply cannot differentiate terrorism based upon ideology.
Any group that is killing innocent civilians of Pakistan regardless of ideology has to be made example of. Why would you want to differentiate terrorists who stop a bus and kill the shias, from those terrorists that stop a bus and kill Punjabis?
And those of our friends that say MQM has not killed children, pray tell me the, should only children killing Taliban be hanged and the rest spared?
and those who think that MQM haven't killed children, should google last Interior Minister Sindh crying (though crocodile tears) about killing of neeli aankhon wale patahn bachay, who were on streets to earn their meals. When you kill a person, his family (including children die). If not physical death, then the economical death. But bhare huwe pet walon ko ye kiyun aur kaise samajh main aae ga?
Tomorrow, Karachi will see another episode of economic murder of poor daily wagers.
Thats absolute bullcrap and this has been rightly pointed out by Moulana Diesel, if for once he has uttered something correct. You cannot simply cannot differentiate terrorism based upon ideology.
Any group that is killing innocent civilians of Pakistan regardless of ideology has to be made example of. Why would you want to differentiate terrorists who stop a bus and kill the shias, from those terrorists that stop a bus and kill Punjabis?
And those of our friends that say MQM has not killed children, pray tell me the, should only children killing Taliban be hanged and the rest spared?
They have shown their way today in Karachi .
God fathers of Taliban/Mujahideen are also God father of MQM .