1)Pak is a 3rd world country with many many complex problems like any other 3rd world country but we are also facing a very unique problem aka religious terrorism orchestrated by these animals terrorists who wnat to implement their sharia on us.
2)Addressing that cancer should be our top priority. Yes there are many many issues in our society (MQM issues, MQM extra judicial killings, political parties corruption, zana etc) but ....
3) ... but equating those issues to this unique cancer called taliban terrorism one way or the other or demanding* "do this " before *"you do anything against terrorism cancer" is nothing but a blatant attempt to divert public attention from terrorism's toxic cancer.
4)That is exactly what Molana fazl is doing....he has an agenda: to protect his religious mafia but why are we falling into his trap?
5)I guarantee you...go ahead and address molana fazal issues on MQM and he will come up with another excuse. he will never ever support military courts or operation against these terrorists. PERIOD. First it was drone attacks, then CIA, then RAW, and now MQM.
Religious terrorism and TTP is a unique problem in itself which our society is facing and no ifs and buts shd be inculcated in addressing this problem. that is all.
To Iconoclast's comments, every group is guilty of ethnic-crime. If you think the Punjabis are innocent, they're not, they've created a number of policies that favor their own people in positions of power. Many people have left Pakistan because they're not related to some Punjabi superman powerhouse family, and because they're not Punjabi and provinces aren't getting their share of the resources they need to develop. This is a fact. Every other group is guilty of ethnic discimination too. You see this clearly in Karachi where although it's a "melting" pot in a way, there are individual ghettos of the different communities TO THIS DAY. And if you're not from a community, good luck making it in an piece of land in Karachi run by another ethnicity. Pathans and Urdu speaker are fighting each other in Karachi. Sindhis treat everyone like ****. Balochis don't wanna have anything to do with Pakistan anymore.
It's not just the MQM. Their policies have been bloody but as you can see, there is a demand on Altaf's head, that's why he can't return to Pakistan. Minute he steps in here, they're going to book him and throw him in prison.
Can we say the same for the maulvis? They're sitting stone's throw away from Islamabad, and talking treason and no one dares arrest them, and put them thru a trial. Comon man, the first and fore-most problem is terrorism, and cutting their funding.
And again I say that there are probably some powerful dogs protecting these guys, otherwise, if this was 1960's, they'd have been tossed into some dark dingy prison to rot.
Thats absolute bullcrap and this has been rightly pointed out by Moulana Diesel, if for once he has uttered something correct. You cannot simply cannot differentiate terrorism based upon ideology.
Any group that is killing innocent civilians of Pakistan regardless of ideology has to be made example of. Why would you want to differentiate terrorists who stop a bus and kill the shias, from those terrorists that stop a bus and kill Punjabis?
And those of our friends that say MQM has not killed children, pray tell me the, should only children killing Taliban be hanged and the rest spared?
What Fazal said does carry wait, and there is already Operation going on against all terrorist groups in Karachi, why Fazal ur Rehman ever wondered why MQM are crying and why Altaf Hussain have to speak from London every other day???
I believe right now it is all about saving his own bread and butter, he and many like him are living on revenue generated by these Madarassas, i am not sure if kinds of Fazal ur Rehman have any sympathy with his religion or with the kids in the madrasas, it is about BLOODY MONEY...
at this moment, anyone sabotaging any effort by the govt against these pigs should be considered ally of Taliban.
To Iconoclast's comments, every group is guilty of ethnic-crime. If you think the Punjabis are innocent, they're not, they've created a number of policies that favor their own people in positions of power. Many people have left Pakistan because they're not related to some Punjabi superman powerhouse family, and because they're not Punjabi and provinces aren't getting their share of the resources they need to develop. This is a fact. Every other group is guilty of ethnic discimination too. You see this clearly in Karachi where although it's a "melting" pot in a way, there are individual ghettos of the different communities TO THIS DAY. And if you're not from a community, good luck making it in an piece of land in Karachi run by another ethnicity. Pathans and Urdu speaker are fighting each other in Karachi. Sindhis treat everyone like ****. Balochis don't wanna have anything to do with Pakistan anymore.
It's not just the MQM. Their policies have been bloody but as you can see, there is a demand on Altaf's head, that's why he can't return to Pakistan. Minute he steps in here, they're going to book him and throw him in prison.
Can we say the same for the maulvis? They're sitting stone's throw away from Islamabad, and talking treason and no one dares arrest them, and put them thru a trial. Comon man, the first and fore-most problem is terrorism, and cutting their funding.
And again I say that there are probably some powerful dogs protecting these guys, otherwise, if this was 1960's, they'd have been tossed into some dark dingy prison to rot.
Agree with everything. I dont see why a state cant fight both the terrorist groups at the same time. Just because the state is fighting TTP and Mullah created evil does not mean MQM is not committing terror either.
anyway, so based on what i heard from the majority in this therad....our nation/govt/army needs to have same level of commitment, passion, nafrat, willpower , hatred, and consensuses to eradicate MQM as is needed to eradicate these animals called TTP and madarssas which are spreading cancer of religious fundamentalism................unbelievable
so you guys believe that both MQM and Taliban are "equally" toxic and cancerous for our country and that the public demand is to execute them both ruthlessly? ... fully knowing that no matter how much we hate MQM, it has been taking part in every election in last 30 years and is at least part of the political system ... and TTP?
i guess USA/UK/India/china all of them shd have finished any internal unrest before taking on terrorism!
and by the way, once MQM is finished...we will find some-other target to finish first and in the meantime these animals TTP will keep getting some cover.
baray maharbani MQM bhi aik mazhabi tanzeem k sath mil ker mazhabi dahshat gardi kar rahi hay aab aankhain band karnay say haqaiq tabdeel nahin hotey hain :cobra:
jitnay target kiler pakray gey hain woh sub mukhtalif friqay k logon ko martay hain to yeh mazhabi dahsht gardi nahin kahlati hay ?
JUI key demands bilkul theek hein woh bhi kai salon say election larti ai hey
What Fazal said does carry wait, and there is already Operation going on against all terrorist groups in Karachi, why Fazal ur Rehman ever wondered why MQM are crying and why Altaf Hussain have to speak from London every other day???
I believe right now it is all about saving his own bread and butter, he and many like him are living on revenue generated by these Madarassas, i am not sure if kinds of Fazal ur Rehman have any sympathy with his religion or with the kids in the madrasas, it is about BLOODY MONEY...
at this moment, anyone sabotaging any effort by the govt against these pigs should be considered ally of Taliban.
mairay bhai kis ney kaha taliban ko kuch nah kaho ? kia saray madarsay wallay terrorist hain ? kia saray liberals frishtey hain jo Pakistan key sir bulandi k liye kaam kar rahay hain ?
tamam molvi muashray mein nafratain phaila rahay hain aor liberals AH muhabatain ? sub ko aik lathi say nahin hanka ja sakta hay.
tamam darhi walay terrorist nahin hain sirf yeh bat kahi ja rahi hay jis ko sunanay ko koi tayyar nahin.
Altaf gainda k kahnay per keon phansyan roki jati hain ? kia kissi aam shakahs ko qatal karnay walla qatil nahin hay ?
whatever guys...
mubarak ho...fazul rehman and his parties are coming to d-chowk...happy? ronaq lagnay walie hai once again.
enough consensuses has been devloped, i guess! ..this pathetic molana fazal kept quiet after peshawar massacre in APC to avoid public backlash but he is now showing his true colors. he will make so much noise along with his pathetic religious cronies that it will be impossible to crack down on toxic madrassas and take out likes of molana aziz...
like i said many times before, religious politics in Pakistan has become a full mafia ...they all help each other
Masters who remained silent on massacres in Karachi and Balochistan. bus itna bata sakta hai. Missing pesons main shamil hone ka koi shoq nahin mujhe sir ji.
mairay bhai kis ney kaha taliban ko kuch nah kaho ? kia saray madarsay wallay terrorist hain ? kia saray liberals frishtey hain jo Pakistan key sir bulandi k liye kaam kar rahay hain ?
tamam molvi muashray mein nafratain phaila rahay hain aor liberals AH muhabatain ? sub ko aik lathi say nahin hanka ja sakta hay.
tamam darhi walay terrorist nahin hain sirf yeh bat kahi ja rahi hay jis ko sunanay ko koi tayyar nahin.
Altaf gainda k kahnay per keon phansyan roki jati hain ? kia kissi aam shakahs ko qatal karnay walla qatil nahin hay ?
bhai sahib, bay-shak tamam daRhi walay terrorist nahi per 99% terrorists key tu DaRhi hay na!!!
there is a reason to not to deal with MQM with same token now, first and foremost, they are being cleaned as of we speak and 2ndly, TTP and co are major threat than these MQM goons are at the moment.
TTP have killed 60,000+ in just 10 years or so, whereas MQM's score is lower than that hence they are deemed 2nd... it won't be wise to open three fronts simultaneously as it require lots of resources and a major chance of civil war, do you want to have Altaf Hussain at D-Chowk, after all IK have paved way for everyone....
TTP unlike MQM is not in a single city, they are through out the country and are attacking whenever they find a chance to it is logical to get rid of bigger monster first.
unbelievable...
anyway, so based on what i heard from the majority in this therad....our nation/govt/army needs to have same level of commitment, passion, nafrat, willpower , hatred, and consensuses to eradicate MQM as is needed to eradicate these animals called TTP and madarssas which are spreading cancer of religious fundamentalism................unbelievable
so you guys believe that both MQM and Taliban are "equally" toxic and cancerous for our country and that the public demand is to execute them both ruthlessly? ... fully knowing that no matter how much we hate MQM, it has been taking part in every election in last 30 years and is at least part of the political system ... and TTP?
i guess USA/UK/India/china all of them shd have finished any internal unrest before taking on terrorism!
and by the way, once MQM is finished...we will find some-other target to finish first and in the meantime these animals TTP will keep getting some cover.
Dirty plays of our establishment will continue till our end .
whatever guys...
mubarak ho...fazul rehman and his parties are coming to d-chowk...happy? ronaq lagnay walie hai once again.
enough consensuses has been devloped, i guess! ..this pathetic molana fazal kept quiet after peshawar massacre in APC to avoid public backlash but he is now showing his true colors. he will make so much noise along with his pathetic religious cronies that it will be impossible to crack down on toxic madrassas and take out likes of molana aziz...
like i said many times before, religious politics in Pakistan has become a full mafia ...they all help each other
Govt Should announce ban on all kind of rallies and protests and strike call for next 2 years, anyone violating them should be tried in Military courts... no other solution is there to cure the maniacs
Masters who remained silent on massacres in Karachi and Balochistan. bus itna bata sakta hai. Missing pesons main shamil hone ka koi shoq nahin mujhe sir ji.
theek hai sir... aap baishak khul kar na kahien but we know that you and many others in this thread are pointing fingers towards army. Please note that it is your prerogative to say or think whatever you want to.
but ladies and gentlemen, do you guys see the confusion engulfing our society yet again just few weeks after the peshawar massacre? i was driving this discussion to point out this confusion. Many in this thread believe that army is still the paymaster of madrassas and religious parties and that army is also funding MQM to do killings in karachi !!!.......so with these thoughts, what kind of unconditional support army has against the war on terrorism? zero i guess
rest of the nation believes that RAW/CIA/Backwater are bnehind all terror activities
in which society will you expect an army to win a complex war on terrorism when that society has so many confusing narratives
^^^ In time of wars, if anyone is accusing army of anything then that person should be guilty of dividing the unity of the nation at these tough times. Period.
Army is taking them out, yesterday in Lahore their local commander has been sent to hell, i hope many others will follow him there. I stand with my Army with my country and would remember the role of those likes of Fazal ur Rehman and others who are creating confusions!!!
It is very simple , There was no need of military courts , We could do more by setting some new special courts with new laws . Army used Peshawar to take more control . Had hoti hay magar in koi had hi naheen
It is very simple , There was no need of military courts , We could do more by setting some new special courts with new laws . Army used Peshawar to take more control . Had hoti hay magar in koi had hi naheen
had??? 60,000 log mar gay, civil administration and court cannot even hang Malik Ishaq and Akram Lahori... what else do you want??? let the military court work..
