Some Americans have labeled prisoners as dogs, this much is true but the majority of Americans find this behavior unacceptable and those responsible will be tracked down hence the investigations. Did you happen to catch Senator Durbin and Senator Biden questioning Ashcroft last week about the Iraqi abuse?
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Some Americans have labeled prisoners as dogs, this much is true but the majority of Americans find this behavior unacceptable and those responsible will be tracked down hence the investigations. Did you happen to catch Senator Durbin and Senator Biden questioning Ashcroft last week about the Iraqi abuse?
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That's true utd - but it's only half of the story. What about the friends and family members hailing these torturers and criminals as hometown heroes? Did you happen to catch what Senator James Inhofe say about this scandal?
Malik, people never fail to disappoint, and it's people like James Inhofe and the poorly educated who support those in the abuse scandal that remind you of that fact. The U.S. is a democracy which means those with views that oppose the very foundation of the country such as equality and justice have a right to do so. The internal political battles within the United States against those with views such as Inhofe are just as important as the battles waged against terror and while these battles are waged with words rather than weapons their defeat is no less important as such views can cause people to believe that ak47’s view of America has credence which is not the case. Attacking some of the policies that America has and attacking America as a whole which the fundamentalists do is a world of difference as one is justified and the other is not.
I wonder what would be going on in Guotanomo in Cuba.
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Little human i would`nt even like to think about what is going on.
After revelations about people being treated like dogs, prostitutes rubbing there menustral blood on the kidnapped people in guantanmo, water being given which was black in colour and people injected with unknown drugs, the list continues you can only wonder what sickness the disgraced US military is committing there right now!
Red Cross is granted unrestricted access to detainees at Guantanamo.
Here in America, a lot of people have been very angry since 9-11. They don't know where to focus their anger. It is hard to vent frsuatrtion at an enemy who hides in the shadows and only comes out to kill women and children. So, all that hatred just festers. Small wonder that political opportunists have been able to use that hatred for their own benefit. We were told Iraq was responsible and lots of people believed, not because it was credible, but because they needed a tangeable enemy, someone they could find, someone they could defeat. They were shown that Saddam Hussein was a cruel man, and that his followers were cruel, and for many that was enough. Some of the other Americans I have talked to assume that the people detained at Abu Grahib must have been terrorists. The mere fact that they are there is enough for them. Some seem to hate Muslims in general, though they will deny it if you call them on it. But that hatred is there, nice and vague, sometimes directed at governments and political figures such as Saddam or bin Laden, sometimes at a whole people such as the Iraqis or at Muslims in general. It's hatred like that that makes it possible for things like this to happen, that makes it easy to punish cruelty with cruelty, easy to forget the difference between your confirmed enemies and a suspect, and easy to forget the difference between those responsible and those you happen to have in front of you. I know plenty of people like that over here. The events at Abu Grahib don't surprise me, because I hear people preach hatred like that quite often, and I people so entrenched in hatred will not stop themselves when they are endowed with a little power. Such a vague and ill-defined sense of hatred can never be satisfied with reasonable judgements and reasonable use of force. Oddly enough, the hatred I hear from such Americans sound an awful lot like some of the posts I've read in this thread.
Brimshack, what's the point of your thread? Making people aware that hatred and racism exists thoughout the world? That people make generalizations on things they know little or nothing about. How ground breaking.
nobodys been tossing any bunker busters in this forum for a long while utd.
think BS's post is a good and relevant. welcome to the forum.
Perhaps ravage. I think it’s fair to ask brother Brimshack to point out what posts he sees hate in.
fair enough. ask then, brother utd.
Thank you for the welcome ravage.
Under, I wasn't gunning for you in my post, but rather a few specific people, many of whom you were arguing against. I did say "some" posts, and you clearly missed the point of my argument, but if you'd like specifics, then just from the last couple pages.
"hic soldiers" Does stereotyping American soldiers based on rural/impoverished origins really address any of these problems. It's an epithet, nothing more. And if it bothers anyone or anyone else to think that American soldiers may be prejudiced against Arabs, then he should probably refrain from using the language of prejudice himself. There are lots of valid concerns about the U.S. military and its approach to Iraq. This communicates none of them.
Malik's persistant use of relatives to stand in for "average Americans." I woudn't fault any mother, brother, or close friend for defending his own relations. It does not mean that the "average American" is defending the actions of troops at AG.
Note that Malik follows this up with the assertion that it's more than a few bad apples behind this, showing that in fact the source of abuse comes from the top down. That in itself would be a good argument, and the source of this corruption certainly does come from the Bush regime itself, not simply a few troops. But notice that malik is using the information to back his claim that Americans generally support the actions of the troops, thus perverting a sound argument into a source of prejudice.
The letter describing the prison as a "Jew" prison, etc. If the letter is real and its charges true, I sincerely hope the woman is freed, and that her tormenters are punished. I also note that the letter does communicate a hateful bigotry towards Jews.
AK47 calls attention to the outrageous dehumanization of prisoners, calling them dogs and treating tem as such. The outrage is understandable, but of course he also attributes this actions to "Amerikkans" generally, and tells us this means people should be disgusted with the USA. Instead of focusing the anger on those directly responsible, he turns the outrage on all of us.
I had also in mind the fact that your own comments were misrepresented as a defense of AG Under, but no matter. Do you not see these more generalized expressions of anti-Americanism as spreading hatred? They move easily from a critique of actual abuses into a general contempt for things-American. And yes that is bigotry.
I take their posts with a grain of salt as they have shown their two faces time and time again. They have one set of rules for Muslims and one set of rules for infidels, unquestionable they are hypocrites.
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I take their posts with a grain of salt as they have shown their two faces time and time again. They have one set of rules for Muslims and one set of rules for infidels, unquestionable they are hypocrites.
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Fair enough. I will endeavor to do the same.
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I take their posts with a grain of salt as they have shown their two faces time and time again. They have one set of rules for Muslims and one set of rules for infidels, unquestionable they are hypocrites.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Not at all ak.
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AK47 calls attention to the outrageous dehumanization of prisoners, calling them dogs and treating tem as such. The outrage is understandable, but of course he also attributes this actions to "Amerikkans" generally, and tells us this means people should be disgusted with the USA. Instead of focusing the anger on those directly responsible, he turns the outrage on all of us.
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this is incorrect i do not view all americans as peverted pyschos. I view the amerikkan government and military as the ones responsible for these disgusting abuses and actions. You should read my actual words and not the words of right wingers from the us of the a!
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this is incorrect i do not view all americans as peverted pyschos. I view the amerikkan government and military as the ones responsible for these disgusting abuses and actions. You should read my actual words and not the words of right wingers from the us of the a!
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Wow this is something new. The fact is you continually lump all Americans together. When a horrid crime happens in America you post it and say something to the effect of “the U.S. is sick society”. Why are you changing your toon now?
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Wow this is something new. The fact is you continually lump all Americans together. When a horrid crime happens in America you post it and say something to the effect of “the U.S. is sick society”. Why are you changing your toon now?
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utd your fake amzement is only news to yourself, i post many articles showing the hypocrisy of the Amerikkkan administration and disgraced US military i dont give a damn what fat Jeb does in arkansas because it doesnt affect the rest of the world!
Sure. 2 of many.
link:http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146483
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link:http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143947
“when you hear of incidents like this i don’t know how the muslims can feel safe in western countries” -ak