Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

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How is using cars, or electricity, introducing good practice in Islam?

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Then why is there a mention of it in Quran? Everything in the Quran is important and if we cant follow it, its our problem, we shouldnt go on to say that its not important or since its not clear I am not gonna do it.

WHy do you cover your hair when praying namaz? Actually, Quran doesnt tell you exactly how to pray it, so how do you know how to pray? Do you think its not important to pray it the way we do because it wasnt mentioned in the Quran?

According to your "cover your boobs" logic, we could basically all walk around in nothing but bras and be considered good muslimahs.

Hijab(by hijab i mean the entire concent, not just a piece of cloth over your head) is very important, it leads to other fitnah.

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Hijab isnt mentioned in it. But I can see a lot of you on here are a bit unwilling to believe anything different, so just believe what you will, and whoever associates with you has my sympathy. I'll do well to duck out of this thread now, as your all making stuff up now.

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Like i said before, by hijab I dont mean the chaddar or the scarf or the dupatta. I mean the entire package which includes actions, attire, attitude, and intention and which is defined by the Quran and sunnah. Now, if you dont believe in sunnah, thats a whole different story.

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There are no Ahadeeth either where the Prophet (SAW) prominently said that the hair is to be covered. As regarding your "cover your boobs" logic-reply PB, Islam does not specify itself to culturally specific items of allure, which in the case of arab/asian societies is hair. The ultimate garment is that of modesty. In places like Africa, where plumpness is an enticing attribute on a woman, then a plump woman there has to be modest in her dress. It is a matter of being modest not one size fits all situations.

Continuing with your logic on women covering their heads when they offer their namaz. As I understand it, you are making a point that since they cover their heads then it should extend to all other parts of the day as well. Well then, why not the same with zakat, why not give zakat all the time? How about rozas, why not fast all the time? Why did the Prophet (SAW) forbid fasting all the time? Something to think about.

btw, Leila Ahmed writes that the head dress in those times differentiated between women of the Abrahamic Faiths and non-abrahamic faiths. So muslim women were more inclined to have such headdresses so as to declare their religion.

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This is soo true everything is dekhawa muslims are attending other non muslim religous parties and doing their traditions instead of doing halal things. i personally wear a hijab ya it doesnt matter if others choose not to wear it but when pplz who wear them seez someone who doesnt wear one they start talking abt them btw i m not refering to my self on this one. do wot u want to do but remember it will be questioned one day

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Use your imagination. With electricity you can keep the masajid lit up all the time, allowing people to easily read the Quran at night, etc. etc.
With cars you can travel to other cities easily and do Da'wah, etc. etc.

just before you do duck out, the definition of fard is an action where you get rewarded if you do it and punished if you don't, the definition of sunnah is you get rewarded if you do it and nothing happens if you don't

as for the ahadith about hijab, then there a few ahadith in the collection of At Tirmidhi and these are saheeh
the most specific one that I found was that Prophet Muhammad salAllahualaihiwasallam said that The woman is awrah. (At Tirmidhi #1173)
And awrah is the part of the body that is to be covered so that it is not exposed.

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This is the problem with many Muslims nowadays - they are illiterate..and the outwardly pious ones are especially illiterate. Illiterate people tend to have big mouths, believe they are right always, and cannot be convinced otherwise. Here is the classic example.

Q; What does "introducing good practise in Islam" mean?
Illiterate: "With electricity you can keep the masajid lit up all the time, allowing people to easily read the Quran at night, etc. etc. With cars you can travel to other cities easily and do Da'wah, etc. etc."

Anyone can see that a PRACTISE **in Islam is something that worshippers do **within the fold of their religion - this has nothing to do with driving to different places or lighting up things. This has to do with **PRACTISING **Islam i.e. How you pray etc etc. Look up the definition of practise then try and put it into the sentence above - even the Hadiths you quote state that good innovation is acceptable in Islam - this is good practise. If this meant technology, it would say something like "technological advancement for enabling worshippers to practise Islam better". It is ironic that you see things in Sahih Hadiths that arent there, and you dont accept the Sahih Hadith themselves.

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Very good points, well expressed. Impressive.

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The general rule of thumb in the Shariah is that all actions are halaal except those specifically made haraam and all acts of worship are haraam unless specifically made halaal.
So, people cannot go around saying that they've figured out a new way of worshipping Allah. Because all acts of worship were taught to us by the Prophet.
The best examples of this come from the stories of other Prophets, like people of Nuh alaihisalaam they decided to innovate a new way of worship which was idolatry. And the people of Musa alaihisalaam, they innovated a new of worship by using the calf.
I'll repeat myself again that those ahadith do not mean that you can add stuff into the religion. Thinking otherwise is an insult to the Prophet, because this implies that the Prophet didn't teach us everything about the religion.

You keep saying not to blindly follow scholars, and yet you seem to think that it's okay to add things into the religon. It's clearly a contradiction, because everything goes back to the Quran and Sunnah and if it's something new then there will be nothing like that in the Quran and Sunnah.
If this wasn't the case then people would come up with random stuff and say that this Islam. Actually people did try to do this by fabricating Ahadith, even they knew that one would have to relate these new innovations back to the Prophet in order for them to be accepted.

Besides you didn't say anything about the Hadith that I quoted, so is that sufficient for you now or you want me to quote something else?

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This is all wrong. I dont know why you deny Sahih Hadith. As a Muslim you should accept Sahih Hadith.

**Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I offered the prayer with the Prophet, Abu Bakr and 'Umar at Mina and it was of two Rakat. 'Uthman in the early days of his caliphate did the same, but later on he started praying the full prayer. *
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 20, Number 188

Is this not introducing good practice in Islam? You talk about electricity and cars, and the Hadiths prove you wrong.

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r u ppl fighting or doing discussions ....

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Thanks roadrunner.

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Sherafghan:

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The general rule of thumb in the Shariah is that all actions are halaal except those specifically made haraam and all acts of worship are haraam unless specifically made halaal.
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From what I know and understand Islam, what you mentioned above is partially true but not fully true. First thing about Halal and Haram is that: Halal and haram is clear command of Allah for his creation.

Your statement:

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The general rule of thumb in the Shariah is that all actions are halaal except those specifically made haraam
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No doubt, the above statement is true, but partially. Another part is that, all actions are haram that Allah has specifically made haram and no more.

[That means, Halal and Haram is clear]

As for statement with relation to worship is concerned:

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all acts of worship are haraam unless specifically made halaal
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The above statement is completely wrong and has created lot of sharr (fitna) in Islam because of misinterpretation by some muttafanni people [who used this statement to spread Sharr (fitna) in Islam] to misguide innocent Muslims and harm Islam.

There is hadith that says that addition to worship is bidah (introduction) and all bidah leads to hell. But to understand the hadith, one have to understand what is worship (ibadah) and what ibadah this hadith is talking about?

There are two types of worship, one is fard and other is rest. The worship mentioned in above hadith is fard (as only Allah can add to fard worship and no one can add to fard worship except Allah, thus adding leads a person to hell)

Fard is command of Allah. Fard is obligation on Muslims, and a Muslim will be answerable about that on Judgement day (as Allah asked us to do). Any addition to fard is bidah, not because of it being bad or good, but because, adding to fard means trying to become God (putting own command and claiming it to be command of Allah – because all fard is command of Allah).

Thus, Allah has made two rikah fard in fajar. Now, if a person pray 3 or 4 rikah fard in fajar, then that would be bidah and unacceptable. Similarly, fasting of Ramadhan is fard but if anyone keep fast in any other month (not ramadhan) and consider it fard, then that would be bidah and unacceptable.

*One can pray 100s of rikah nafil during fajar or keep fast all year round, but as long as those ibadah done without considering it as fard, it is acceptable (not bidah). Actually, all action that one does with neyah that one did it for Allah is ibadah. One can help a blind cross the street with intention that one is doing it for the sake of Allah, then that crossing the blind also becomes ibadah (but not bidah). *

Well, it is possible that whole life of a Muslim, every action, can become ibadah if spent with intention of serving Allah and with Iman (thus, it would be ibadah and not bidah, and that is a great stage of a Muslim). If a person goes sick and accept that sickness as ‘will of Allah’, then even suffering during sickness become ibadah (but not bidah). Ayub (AS) spend all his life suffering and accepting it to be will of Allah, making all his suffering as ibadah.

Thus, as far as other ibadah is concerned (that is good deed and not evil deed), as long as those ibadah performed without considering that to be fard, there is no harm in that (regardless of what type of ibadah that be). On the other hand, it is possible that a person does something and considers it doing for the sake of Allah (as Ibadah or good deed) but other might not consider such action as ibadah, then the person not considering that as ibadah or good act, should not do it and it would not be a sin. Though, if any one start criticising and starting fitna on that, then the person criticising and starting fitna on that would be surely jahannumi (daozakhi), as he is not Allah to say anything or judge another person.

As long as such Ibadah performed with belief that it is not a fard ibadah (obligatory), that ibadah is neither bidah nor sin. Those who are munafiqs, muttafani or misguided, use this to divide Muslims and create fitna. If anyone is so interested about other people ibadah (first of all they should not, but if they are), these people should individually ask what they (those doing an act considering it a good deed) think of the ibadah they are doing (that are they doing considering it fard or doing just thinking it to be good deed). If anyone says that they are doing it considering it to be fard (command of Allah), then only these people can (if they want to) tell them that fard is made clear by Allah, so they should not do such act considering it to be fard, but do it considering it to be just a good deed.

There are very few fard ibadah. A fard ibadah is an ibadah or action (of ibadah) that one does with belief that it is obligatory (and thus answerable to Allah on judgement day), and belief is that not doing such Ibadah is sin and doing such ibadah is obligation. Thus, ibadah (that is not told to us by prophet (SAW) as fard) done with such beliefs (that it is obligatory) means, adding to the command of Allah that Allah has not made and thus that ibadah would become bidah and sin (for that person who has such belief, as other might be doing it without that belief).

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I'm totally agreeing with roadrunner and manna.

Someone claimed that I need to take into account hijaab as not just being a headress, but also including modesty, behavior etc.

I don't discount those things at all - in fact, I do give them precedence. After all, the Quran clearly speaks of those items.

By "hijab", I'm clearly only referring to the headress aspect of the concept.

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You are very conveniently going off topic. InshaAllah, I will refer you to an article which discusses innovation and also explains the good practises hadith from Sahih Muslim which you quoted earlier in the proper context. And also explains a similar hadith like the one that you've quoted here.

But in the meantime, I asked you about 4 or 5 questions and you've sidestepped all of them. So, are you going to answer the questions or just ignore them?

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JazakAllahu Khairun.
I hate to say this but you've misunderstood what I said.
Like I said, this is a rule from our Shariah and I didn't make this up myself. Scholars will tell you the same thing.

For the actions being halal until specifically made haraam, you can look at how halal and haraam in food works. In the Quran, Allah only tells us which foods are haraam and anything which doesn't fall into haraam is halaal.
For example, take kiwi fruit. There is no Ayah in the Quran or any hadith which I know of which says this fruit is halaal but we know it doesn't fall into any of the haraam categories so it must be halaal.
From what I understood we are both in agreement with the above principle.

With regards to acts of worship, first is you are thinking that fard and nafil are different acts of worship. I can do fard Salah or nafil Salah, they are both the same act of worship which is Salah.
A side note, fasting all year round is haraam. The most one is allowed to fast is every other day, ie. Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Sundays, and so on. We know this from the hadith narrated by Abdulluah bin Amr radiAllahuanhu where Muhammad salAllahualaihiwasallam told him to fast like Dawud alaihisalaam which was every other day. The same hadith talks about reading the Quran in 3 days or less is not allowed and so on.
So, by act of worship what is meant is something that was legislated in the Quran or Sunnah. These acts include salah, sawm, zakah, sadaqa, hajj, umra, dhikr, dua, etc. I cannot create a new act of worship. Going to the example of the people of Nuh alaihisalaam, they created idols of the righteous amongst them so that it would remind them of doing good deeds, some would say this was a good practise or a good innovation. A while later, possibly a few generations, this practise turned into idol worship. Even though this was done initially with good intentions and for the sake of Allah and it was a good practise, this in long run lead to shirk. My source on this is "Stories of the Prophets" by ibn Kathir.
It is quite unfortunate but stuff like this is emerging amongst muslims as well.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that your example of helping a blind man cross would fall under Sadaqa. Similarly you can relate everything in one way or another to something legislated in the Quran and Sunnah.
I hope that it's clear now as to what I meant.

The other point is that for deeds to be accepted by Allah, two requirements must be met. One is sincerity, ie. for the sake of Allah alone (you already mentioned this). Second is that it must be legislated in our Shariah.
Obviously I can do something haraam for the sake of Allah alone, but that doesn't mean my deed will be accepted.
Also, if a non-muslim does a deed fulfulling the two criteria then Allah can accept that deed. Example of this is in the Quran, when Allah accepted the dua of Iblees because of his sincerity and he made dua to Allah.

I hope this clears up the issues you addressed.

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Do you be default have the right to speek for someon else? If not than who are you to ask me? Why don’t you mind you own business too? Its easier to say than minding own business.

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yes i agree with u........i am mostly better than other women hu do dress like tarts.......i wear loose shalwar kameez and i do a dupatta (not hijab) when i am out and about.......i think that is good enough for a 15 year old:D