Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

[teaser]

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@roadrunner

In other words, you’re saying it’s not Fard to cover the hair. I agree with you.

This makes no sense to me. Can someone translate?

Seprate out what you think is ease for you and call it fardh and feel comfortable. The rest you can lablel as “does not make sense”. If it does not make sense than no need to translate cuz with translation idea still be same so why bother.

[roadrunner]

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@teaser

Seprate out what you think is ease for you and call it fardh and feel comfortable. The rest you can lablel as "does not make sense". If it does not make sense than no need to translate cuz with translation idea still be same so why bother. ;)

No no, I really cannot understand that second paragraph. If anyone else can, please explain in English.

I'm not picking out what is easy for me, and calling it Fard. It would be nice to get drunk everynight perhaps. But I consider it to be Fard not to drink. No excuses. I consider prayer also to be Fard, yet I miss out on prayers. By no means is this picking.

[teaser]

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@roadrunner

No no, I really cannot understand that second paragraph. If anyone else can, please explain in English.

I’m not picking out what is easy for me, and calling it Fard. It would be nice to get drunk everynight perhaps. But I consider it to be Fard not to drink. No excuses. I consider prayer also to be Fard, yet I miss out on prayers. By no means is this picking.

Doesn’t make sense can you explain it in urdu?

[roadrunner]

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@teaser

Doesn’t make sense can you explain it in urdu?

Nope

[Light_Bearer]

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@teaser

Don't worry about the nick, mind you we are just discussing based on our understanding. Let me say it again its a nick not a name ;) By the way teaser not a bad word nor its a gali so don't waste your time with stuff that leads you to nothing. :)

Hallo wake up teaser:) .

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about parents paying for the sins of children is a christian ideology.

[system]

Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

@roadrunner

This is a matter of interpretation. Some things are clearly prohibited. Such as eating pork. No doubt about it. Human interpretation is fallible, the Qu'ran is not.

True.
I can understand that you would probably argue that the interpretation of the Sahaba can be fallible, but what about the interpretation of the Prophet?

[roadrunner]

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@sherafghan

True. I can understand that you would probably argue that the interpretation of the Sahaba can be fallible, but what about the interpretation of the Prophet?

So..do provide the Hadith that say covering the hair is Fard if you can..

[picoico]

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@PyariCgudia

I'm interested in which hadith you're talking about - pro or anti-hijab?

It's pro-hijab (not familar with anything that is actually anti) and is as such:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands.

[roadrunner]

Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

@picoico

It's pro-hijab (not familar with anything that is actually anti) and is as such:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands.

^^ This is classed as a weak Hadith. Only Sahih Hadiths can be accepted as undoutedly true. The one you refer to above is 'Mursal'. I can give you the reference if you like, but you can look it up yourself, I'm sure. To say something is Fard, you need a Sahih Hadith.

[PyariCgudia]

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I thought if something is not in the Quran, but only in hadith, then its sunnah, not fardh. I remember even startign a topic on that to clarify that concept, and most people concurred that if its just a hadith-item, then its sunnah and not fardh.

But its funny, when it comes to tying up a woman with a headscarf, which we identify we piety and submission, then the rules change.

[Seminole]

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Top 10 excuses why people consider cultural traditions "Rules dictated by God".

[roadrunner]

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^^ Cultural I think might be true for Jilbab and Niqab.

[PyariCgudia]

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No, the hijab itself is pretty cultural.

I'm telling you, if hijab was mandatory, the Quranic verse wouldn't be vague, and furthermore, God would have probably clarified it quite a bit.

Its a blur between sunnat and fardh. Someone needs to really decide the distinction between the two and set a constant definition, because people take sunnat to be fardh whenever it suits them.

[roadrunner]

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^^I wasnt disagreeing with you.

[masoom_se_larki]

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some of ur points r more or less the same. anyway yes those r sum of the common reasons, but there r more practical ones as well. personally i think hijab is very secondary. i dress modestly and cover myself, sharam aankhon mein hoti hai. a man can still be attracted to ur face, even if ur body and hair is covered. Muslims should work on their first 5 duties first before wearing hijab. i do not wear hijab but at least i do not do the extreme things sum hijaabis i kno do. before wearing hijab i think it is much more important to be able to read namaaz 5 times a day, be respectful and a good person. i do not want to be a hypocrite. most hijaabis i kno flirt with boys, show off their chests, and do disgusting things. i am not generalizing hijaabis at all, i’m just saying that i think not wearing a hijab is better than disrespecting it. that is totally degrading everything the hijaab stands for. part of the reason american tink Muslim women r oppressed is becoz a lot of young girls who r forced to wear hijab take it off while goin to skool or do something else just as ridiculous. there is no point in wearing hijaab if u r not gonna read namaaz or will flirt with boys. either way, it is personal choice and we have no right to judge people. Allah (swt) is the One who will judge us and determine our fate in the hereafter. i just think it is important to become a good person first

and oh my goodness. so many of u preach Islam yet so blatantly insult and verbally harass ur fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. kindly stop the hypocrisy. PCG is right, the more u MEN shove this idea down our throats the more we will resent it. Beard is only sunnah when it’s convenient. show me where in the Quran it says that covering hair is FARZ. i think everyone shud mind their own business. wat u do and don’t do is up to u, religion is very personal and b/w u and Allah (swt) who is ur creator, no one else has the right to judge y sum1 is not wearing hijab. that’s her own matter.

[canpaki]

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we take so much fo granted... may Allah guide us all.. n help those
who are in need of it .....If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
when we protect our tongue from lying, or backbiting, thats hijab.
(of our words) .When we protect our heart from seeking revenge or wishing evil for others, thats hijab. [of our intentions]. When we protect our brain from thinking irrational, thats hijab **(of our thoughts). When we protect our body from being exposed and used, thats **hijab of our beauty, mind and soul.

Islam gives us a right to live...and a right to break free
from all the oppression!:)

[masoom_se_larki]

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@teaser

With Parent-Child relation yes there is forcing and yes Parents will be paying for the sins.

correction...they will only pay for their sins up to the point where the child cannot think and judge for themselves. for example: if a child is growing up and parents have not taught him/her how to pray Salaah (then parents will get punishment) but if the child has been taught everything and refuses to do it, it is his/her own sin and in Islam it clearly says that no one will pay for anyone else's sins becoz Allah (swt) is all-knowing:

"That no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. That a human achieves only what he makes an effort for. And that his effort shall be seen. Then he shall be rewarded for it with a full reward." (An-Najm 53: 38-41)

and who gave u the right to say some1 is taken over by satan? y don't u mind ur own business and let Allah (swt) decide. if u can't think of an intelligent comeback to something at least do not start insulting on a personal level, that's just pathetic and ignorant. do not preach tolerance or Islam in general if u cannot even practice the basics of it.

[Unkilon_ke_Abba_Jaan]

Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

@PyariCgudia

No, the hijab itself is pretty cultural.

I’m telling you, if hijab was mandatory, the Quranic verse wouldn’t be vague, and furthermore, God would have probably clarified it quite a bit.

Its a blur between sunnat and fardh. Someone needs to really decide the distinction between the two and set a constant definition, because people take sunnat to be fardh whenever it suits them.

Take advantage of the holy month of Ramadan and learn Islam. :insha: it will help you rather than relying on the information some liberal muslims give you with their apologetic approach in front of their western masters.

[picoico]

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@roadrunner

^^ This is classed as a weak Hadith. Only Sahih Hadiths can be accepted as undoutedly true. The one you refer to above is 'Mursal'. I can give you the reference if you like, but you can look it up yourself, I'm sure. To say something is Fard, you need a Sahih Hadith.

Shrugs...sure...the collector considered it 'weak'...from what I understand other scholars disagreed.

This one was classified as authentic:

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin: When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments

It certainly is a valid tradition to cover the head...and has been since we started to Westernize. If anything, it's Fard due to our obligation not to immitate Kufar.

Do it, or don't....I'm not the type to beat anyone over the head...but just food for thought...why is this an issue? What compels us from abandoning this tradition? That's all...

Oh, I'm guilty too...I dress in complete Western gear...I'm struggling with the same question.

[PyariCgudia]

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^ Because does dressing western style really say that we've rejected Islam and become kuffar? If so, I don't know how so many people exist who do wear western clothes (albeit, in a comfortably modest style) and yet are more spiritual than various burqa wali's and bearded men.