Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab

[picoico]

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@Sharaabi

Why are the men getting so defensive about this issue. And yea Islam is not anyone's peo da maaal, that he may interpret it and practice it however he likes it.

The Quran and the Sunnah are the yardsticks against which we measure everything that we do, be it Huqooq Allah or Huqooq al Ibad.

It's not at all that easy. Don't take my word for it, just ask the scholars over the past 1400 years who have made a career out of studying the Quran and Sunnah.

Technically, anyone CAN interpret and practice as per their interpretations...the question then is what is the quality of this interpretation? The scholarly approach to the Quran and Sunnah was established WELL after the advent of Islam, so let us not pretend like this (good) innovation is part and parcel of the faith. It's an approach to the faith.

[PyariCgudia]

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It is shoving the hijab down women's throats (this thread that is). The poster has listed some reasons that make it seem like any woman who is not wearing a hijab, is doing so for shallow reasons.

I'd like a counter thread on this that shows the top 10 reasons for muslim women actually wearing hijab. I could generate shallow reasons making hijabis look bad, like "doing it to get a risthaa", "doing it to make onself seem holier than others", "my parents force it on me". etc etc. But that would be wrong and inaccurate, even though there are lots of muslim girls who do wear the hijab for such reasons.

Likewise, this thread, like most other threads on hijab, simply belittle women who don't wear the hijab. Not wearing a hijab doesn't make one less/more religious, and quite frankly, there are lots of reasons for not wearing it that never made it on the list.

For example:

It has no use in a society where women aren't being mistreated.

It gets in the way of work, where a woman's career involves her being able to communicate and being able to be comfortable to get her work done (you might think there are no such careers but there are)

There is simply not enough Quranic support to warrant the absolute need to actually wear a hijab, and that modest dressing is sufficient.

The hijab comes from the heart, not from dress.

Its not useful for people who don't find that they are distracting to men.

I mean, seriously, the list originally generated is just pathetic. Stop making women look like they're sluts if they don't wear a darn piece of cloth on their head.

[hussain87]

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lol…u can,t see in sumones heart:p …that piece of clothe is the identity of muslim girls when outside their homes otherways there won,t be any difference between a muslimahs appearance and non muslim girls… ..

[manna]

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@Decent 6Chora

Together, these two ayat lay out seven commandments for Muslim sisters: 1. "to lower their gazes" 2. "to guard their private parts" 3. "not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it" 4. "to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms" 5. "not to display their beauty except to their husbands or their fathers..." 6. "not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide" 7. "to draw their outergarments close around themselves"

God knows better. May God guide us all.

4 stresses on the fact that the bosom should be covered, not the head. To my knowledge there is no expressed rule from Allah that says that the "hair" is to be covered. The requirement is that of modesty as the rule for women and men. Further more, if "hair " is to be deemed as an object of beauty, then why not eyes, lips, hands and feet?

[manna]

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@PyariCgudia

It is shoving the hijab down women's throats (this thread that is). The poster has listed some reasons that make it seem like any woman who is not wearing a hijab, is doing so for shallow reasons.

I mean, seriously, the list originally generated is just pathetic. Stop making women look like they're sluts if they don't wear a darn piece of cloth on their head.

:)

[teaser]

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@manna

There is no “forcing” in religion Islam, there is no other people paying for the sins or being rewarded for the good deeds of others

With Parent-Child relation yes there is forcing and yes Parents will be paying for the sins.

[teaser]

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@manna

#4 stresses on the fact that the bosom should be covered, not the head. To my knowledge there is no expressed rule from Allah that says that the “hair” is to be covered. The requirement is that of modesty as the rule for women and men. Further more, if "hair " is to be deemed as an object of beauty, then why not eyes, lips, hands and feet?

Amazing how people find excuses. I think you didn’t understood #4 or maybe you read towards the end. Here it is again.

4. “to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms”

Its says EXTEND THEIR HEADCOVERINGS to cover their bosoms.

Read it again if you still think its just about covering bosoms than keep reading till you finally get the full picture.

[roadrunner]

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@teaser

Amazing how people find excuses. I think you didn't understood #4 or maybe you read towards the end. Here it is again.

1. "to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms"

Its says EXTEND THEIR HEADCOVERINGS to cover their bosoms.

Read it again if you still think its just about covering bosoms than keep reading till you finally get the full picture.

You've missed out on two things here my slow friend.

1) the important command here is to cover the bosoms - that is the essence of the line..the headcovering (Khimar) part is just the context for the time.

2) More importantly, what exactly does Khimar mean? If you ask anyone who speaks Arabic even to honestly give you the translation of this word, they will say it means cover - any sort of cover. So where did the head come in? If it was so necessary to cover the hair, there would have been a specific command written in the Qu'ran to cover the hair, as there is one prohibiting the eating of pork.

[Light_Bearer]

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@teaser

With Parent-Child relation yes there is forcing and yes Parents will be paying for the sins.

Are you sure teaser? because I think this is christian idealogy.

[PyariCgudia]

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No, there is never anything such as forcing. But parents do have a responsibility and are answerable to God for what they taught their kids.

But then you know what? I'd rather be the parent that didn't force their kid to wear the hijab and have a beard, etc etc and yet they're tolerant, honest, mind their own business, and try their best not to ever hurt a soul with their words and actions than have the hijabi/bearded kid who is rude, a loudmouth, and intolerant of others who don't do as he/she does.

As a parent, your word will not always be followed. I'd rather the kids pick up the more important points in life, and then leave it up to them if they want to have a beard/hijab/etc etc.

[system]

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@roadrunner

2) More importantly, what exactly does Khimar mean? If you ask anyone who speaks Arabic even to honestly give you the translation of this word, they will say it means cover - any sort of cover. So where did the head come in? If it was so necessary to cover the hair, there would have been a specific command written in the Qu'ran to cover the hair, as there is one prohibiting the eating of pork.

This reasoning is incorrect. Allah says in I believe it's Surah Ahzab that He and the angels do Salah on the Prophet. Here the word Salah is used in it's literal meaning and not the Shariah meaning. And in other cases words are used in their Shariah meaning and some people translate them in the literal sense.
To translate the words according to modern arabic is incorrect, the Quran has to be translated in the manner the Prophet and the Sahaba understood (ie. "context for the time" is irrelevant).
By the way arabic words have four definitions: the literal meaning, the Shariah meaning, the meaning used in common language., and unforutnately I don't remember what the fourth one is.

[picoico]

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@teaser

Amazing how people find excuses. I think you didn't understood #4 or maybe you read towards the end. Here it is again.

1. "to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms"

Its says EXTEND THEIR HEADCOVERINGS to cover their bosoms.

Read it again if you still think its just about covering bosoms than keep reading till you finally get the full picture.

This is not the justification for Hijab. There are well known Hadith that lay out the details on this subject.

Suggesting that the presumption of the existance of a headcovering implies that the headcovering is mandated is well...a very weak argument. The imparative is on covering the breasts.

[PyariCgudia]

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@picoico

This is not the justification for Hijab. There are well known Hadith that lay out the details on this subject.

Suggesting that the presumption of the existance of a headcovering implies that the headcovering is mandated is well...a very weak argument. The imparative is on covering the breasts.

I'm interested in which hadith you're talking about - pro or anti-hijab?

I don't get it. Why can't we just be happy if a woman covers her boobs? I think that in this time and day, getting a woman to accomplish that is a big deal.

[roadrunner]

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@picoico

This is not the justification for Hijab. There are well known Hadith that lay out the details on this subject.

Suggesting that the presumption of the existance of a headcovering implies that the headcovering is mandated is well...a very weak argument. The imparative is on covering the breasts.

I agree with this. Would you mind showing the Hadiths that you say mandate head covering?

[roadrunner]

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@sherafghan

This reasoning is incorrect. Allah says in I believe it's Surah Ahzab that He and the angels do Salah on the Prophet. Here the word Salah is used in it's literal meaning and not the Shariah meaning. And in other cases words are used in their Shariah meaning and some people translate them in the literal sense. To translate the words according to modern arabic is incorrect, the Quran has to be translated in the manner the Prophet and the Sahaba understood (ie. "context for the time" is irrelevant). By the way arabic words have four definitions: the literal meaning, the Shariah meaning, the meaning used in common language., and unforutnately I don't remember what the fourth one is.

This is a matter of interpretation. Some things are clearly prohibited. Such as eating pork. No doubt about it. Human interpretation is fallible, the Qu'ran is not.

[teaser]

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@roadrunner

You’ve missed out on two things here my slow friend.

1. the important command here is to cover the bosoms - that is the essence of the line..the headcovering (Khimar) part is just the context for the time.

2. More importantly, what exactly does Khimar mean? If you ask anyone who speaks Arabic even to honestly give you the translation of this word, they will say it means cover - any sort of cover. So where did the head come in? If it was so necessary to cover the hair, there would have been a specific command written in the Qu’ran to cover the hair, as there is one prohibiting the eating of pork.

So basically you are saying women must cover the bosoms and leave out the head. Well everyone is entitled to their opinion and do what they think is best for them. So I will not go into detail discussion since the point was pointed out and one would find out on the day of judgement who ever is on the wrong path plus the guidance comes from Allah :swt: so I pray to Allah :swt: to guide both of us and others to the right path.

[teaser]

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@Light Bearer

Are you sure teaser? because I think this is christian idealogy.

Don’t worry about the nick, mind you we are just discussing based on our understanding. Let me say it again its a nick not a name By the way teaser not a bad word nor its a gali so don’t waste your time with stuff that leads you to nothing.

[teaser]

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@PyariCgudia

No, there is never anything such as forcing. But parents do have a responsibility and are answerable to God for what they taught their kids.

But then you know what? I’d rather be the parent that didn’t force their kid to wear the hijab and have a beard, etc etc and yet they’re tolerant, honest, mind their own business, and try their best not to ever hurt a soul with their words and actions than have the hijabi/bearded kid who is rude, a loudmouth, and intolerant of others who don’t do as he/she does.

As a parent, your word will not always be followed. I’d rather the kids pick up the more important points in life, and then leave it up to them if they want to have a beard/hijab/etc etc.

Fair enough. I just pointed out what I thought was right and will do my best to teach my kids to best of my understanding and you do the way you think is best. This DOES NOT mean my kids will be less tolerant and honest. One thing is sure that me, you and everyone else will find out what was right and what was wrong.

By the way when I say force it does not mean spank the crap out of the kids to make them do what Allah :swt: have instructed. Depends how one apply the force…there is a soft way and there is a hard way. Don’t just asume things.

[teaser]

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@roadrunner

This is a matter of interpretation. Some things are clearly prohibited. Such as eating pork. No doubt about it. Human interpretation is fallible, the Qu’ran is not.

It also depends what we as human feel ease at doing things. One would go pray 20 rakah taraweeh and another person may just pray 8 rakah even though they both know taraweeh is not fardh but one is lazy the other one thinks he is getting more rewards. You can call me the lazy one cuz I pray 8 and that too on the weekends.

Similarly its very easy to avoid pork because if someone can’t find a halal meat shop (halal here means the animal is killed properly with Allah :swt: name) they would simply buy it from cub foods or other stores and eat it instead of taking pork. And similarly when it comes to head cover its so hard or I should say being lazy to cover the whole head as compare to just pull the jeans up with a tiny t-shirt and you are all set. Mind you they can spend hours on make up but its so hard to put up head scarf. Now this lazyness you can’t compare with taraweeh because unlike taraweeh head scarf is a must.

[roadrunner]

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@teaser

It also depends what we as human feel ease at doing things. One would go pray 20 rakah taraweeh and another person may just pray 8 rakah even though they both know taraweeh is not fardh but one is lazy the other one thinks he is getting more rewards. You can call me the lazy one cuz I pray 8 and that too on the weekends.

In other words, you’re saying it’s not Fard to cover the hair. I agree with you.

Similarly its very easy to avoid pork because if someone can’t find a halal meat shop (halal here means the animal is killed properly with Allah :swt: name) they would simply buy it from cub foods or other stores and eat it instead of taking pork. And similarly when it comes to head cover its so hard or I should say being lazy to cover the whole head as compare to just pull the jeans up with a tiny t-shirt and you are all set. Mind you they can spend hours on make up but its so hard to put up head scarf. Now this lazyness you can’t compare with taraweeh because unlike taraweeh head scarf is a must.

This makes no sense to me. Can someone translate?