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we must remember that Islamic rulings are meant to be applied to Muslims ONLY! non Muslims are not forced to obey...they only have to follow the universal good.
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we must remember that Islamic rulings are meant to be applied to Muslims ONLY! non Muslims are not forced to obey...they only have to follow the universal good.
Reference to dejiye....
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Personally, yes I am ok, especially if those European nations have a justification that those acts cause harm to the(ir) society.
But your proposition was "the tribes of Africa". What gives you the right to interfere in their religious affairs? Unless you agree that right and wrong aren't beyond religion, in which case I would totally agree with you!
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Reference to dejiye....
i'm not sitting in a library or on a pile of religious books...lolz...:D
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i'm not sitting in a library or on a pile of religious books...lolz...:D
App nay baat hi aesi ki hia... ager reference na ho to behtar hai aesi afwahin mat urain....
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App nay baat hi aesi ki hia... ager reference na ho to behtar hai aesi afwahin mat urain....
yeh afwaah aapko lagii? iskaa matlab kia yeh hai k agar kisii ko koii baat saHeeH ma'loom ho aur uske paas reference na ho to vo apnaa muNh na khole? khaamosh rahe? yeh bhii aapkaa Khoob falsafah hai!...ham yahaN koii munaazarah to nahiiN kar rahe k har baat reference se kii jaaye.
abhii tak kitnoN ne is thread meN yaa kisii aur thread meN reference ke saath baat kii hai?
haN, agar aapko yeh baat saHeeH nahiiN lagtii to yaa to aap Khud iskii taHqeeq kar leN yaa merii baat ko qubool na kareN...Theek hai?
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yeh afwaah aapko lagii? iskaa matlab kia yeh hai k agar kisii ko koii baat saHeeH ma'loom ho aur uske paas reference na ho to vo apnaa muNh na khole? khaamosh rahe? yeh bhii aapkaa Khoob falsafah hai!...ham yahaN koii munaazarah to nahiiN kar rahe k har baat reference se kii jaaye.
abhii tak kitnoN ne is thread meN yaa kisii aur thread meN reference ke saath baat kii hai?
haN, agar aapko yeh baat saHeeH nahiiN lagtii to yaa to aap Khud iskii taHqeeq kar leN yaa merii baat ko qubool na kareN...Theek hai?
woh sab theek hai.. mager app ki baat sirf appka nuqta nazar hosakti hia.. iss ko pori ummat e muslima ka nuqa nazar nahi kaha ja sakta hia...
chonkay app nay aesi bay rabt baat ki hia.. lihaza isko sabit bhi app karain gain...
ta waqtiya... iss silsaly main appp ki baat sareehan ghalat hai... aur afwah kay manind hia...
aur bura mat maniye ga... deen kay mamly main ehtiat bohat zaroori hia... lihaz aesi baton say parhaiz karin jis main apkay pass thoos daleel na ho....
woh sab theek hai.. mager app ki baat sirf appka nuqta nazar hosakti hia.. iss ko pori ummat e muslima ka nuqa nazar nahi kaha ja sakta hia…
chonkay app nay aesi bay rabt baat ki hia.. lihaza isko sabit bhi app karain gain…
ta waqtiya… iss silsaly main appp ki baat sareehan ghalat hai… aur afwah kay manind hia…
aur bura mat maniye ga… deen kay mamly main ehtiat bohat zaroori hia… lihaz aesi baton say parhaiz karin jis main apkay pass thoos daleel na ho…
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Islamic rulings are applicable on Muslims! Iss main afwah ki kyaa baat hai? Is Roza farz on your non Muslim neighbor? How about namaz, zakat, hajj? You may not agree, but respecting your religious figures is also not farz on them.
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TLK… :k: Thank you.
Khan Sb… This is what I was expecting.
Mera sawala yeh kay samjai jaraim jaisay chori, chakari par non-muslim kay hath katy bhi jasakty hian ya nahi?
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Islamic rulings are applicable on Muslims! Iss main afwah ki kyaa baat hai? Is Roza farz on your non Muslim neighbor? How about namaz, zakat, hajj? You may not agree, but respecting your religious figures is also not farz on them.
Quite agree. A person belonging to / following another religion is not subject to ruling of your religion.
But what about Muslims, who can nigal aankh dekhi makhi by advocating sins, just because of law of the land say so. Is it tolerance, weakness, hypocrisy, or something else?
Another group is of liberals.. who advocate freedom of expression and talk about religious freedom as well. But they went mad, when someone gives them an opinion based on their religious teachings? How come you can take sides, when it comes to religious thought and you can claim to be neutral / liberal?
These both groups impose their thoughts on religious lot by considering their version of morals as the only correct version. If for them religious lot is doing discrimination and bigot, then what do they think of themselves when they behave like Nazis?
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But what about Muslims, who can nigal aankh dekhi makhi by advocating sins, just because of law of the land say so. Is it tolerance, weakness, hypocrisy, or something else?
Severe case of weakness, hypocrisy and inferiority complex....
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So, I'll assume you'll give other religions the same deference as you expect them to show you? After all, they also think they're following the true religion....etc..
Peace kprasad
No, on the contrary ... I do not expect anything from other religions or people of other faiths ... Even if others show us animosity we are obliged to show them compassion. This is the hardest and highest rank - if we truly believe we have the truth then we should be like this ... wouldn't you say? Unfortunately we fall short of this - and for my own shortfalls I apologise, but this is our aspiration. Of course we can defend our honour, our lives and livelihoods, but if all these must go - one thing we must die with and that is our declaration that There is Only One God. If we get treated amicably by others then we ought to show them even more - never letting others better us in courtesy and fine conduct towards the other. Any failure in that - would shine poorly on the truth that we claim to hold.
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Peace kprasad
No, on the contrary ... I do not expect anything from other religions or people of other faiths ... Even if others show us animosity we are obliged to show them compassion. This is the hardest and highest rank - if we truly believe we have the truth then we should be like this ... wouldn't you say? Unfortunately we fall short of this - and for my own shortfalls I apologise, but this is our aspiration. Of course we can defend our honour, our lives and livelihoods, but if all these must go - one thing we must die with and that is our declaration that There is Only One God. If we get treated amicably by others then we ought to show them even more - never letting others better us in courtesy and fine conduct towards the other. Any failure in that - would shine poorly on the truth that we claim to hold.
Brother Psyah,
Let me get this straight, if someone is better than you, and demonstrates it, you won't see it as superiority of their religion/beliefs? However, if you are better, then people should see that as superiority of your religion? That's hypocrisy!
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I agree with what KKF said. Otherwise, the other additional thing I would do is that in addition to avoiding the sins myself, I would also avoid facilitating others to do the same. For instance, I would also refuse to sell or transport haram stuff like pork or alcohol. I'd refuse to take anyone to acquire these things or get to wrong environments such as bars etc. And above all, never justify or try to downplay the seriousness of those sins.
Yes, but then the irreligious folks will get bent out of shape that you exercised your right of avoidance at the expense of the feelings of the alcohol n pork consumer/bar-hopper/club goer. Don't you know that you're not supposed to do that, Captain Obvious? I mean seriously, how narrow...no how closed-minded can you get? That would be so unbelievably intolerant and cruel of you. It would have been far more respectful and mahaan of you to suffer discomfort while transporting a person to the club or the bar, or to transport "haraam" foods that are the sustaining staples of so many folks. Notice the quotations around the haram, that's cuz nothing's haram. You have to get with the times, bro. You must embrace the trend of instant gratification. Religions are passe, not fashionable anymore, they're so restrictive. It's all about the now and it all ends in this world.
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@kprasad Am sorry, I am a little dumb. How did you come to that conclusion based on what brother psyah said? 
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Brother Psyah,
Let me get this straight, if someone is better than you, and demonstrates it, you won't see it as superiority of their religion/beliefs? However, if you are better, then people should see that as superiority of your religion? That's hypocrisy!
If someone shows greater compassion to me than I do to them I would conclude that they must have been reading the Qur'an. I would not settle before I have treated another person with greater respect than they treat me with ... or at least I try. It is not because I see that as superiority of my religion, but because I believe that if I truly consider my religion as truth I should follow it - and it teaches me to deal with others better than they deal with me. You see hypocrisy in me, perhaps there is, but my faith at least binds me for not sending you the same sentiments, or else you could use that as a reason for not listening to me. And if you do - then on the Day of Judgement I would have to answer for that.
If you were in my home, or in my protection I would not be allowed to betray that ... I would be expected to defend you with my life ...
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Itna zyada tanz? 
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I guess I’m none to bright either. I, too, can’t figure out how Kprasad arrived at such a conclusion from Psyah’s post. Although Kprasad is anti-religion, it appears that it bothers Him that Psyah or any other Muslim should believe in the truth and superiority of their faith. Now I get my members confused, but I think Kprasad was the one who had adamantly said it’s high time people stopped believing in an afterlife, that there are no pearly gates, etc etc. If those who believe in an after life should display better character and lifestyle than him, would he believe their religion/beliefs are superior? No, it’s only the Muslims who should be expected to drop their faith and believe in the superiority of another belief system. Yikes, the irony is that the most rigid expectations can sometimes come from those who don’t believe they are bound by a religion.
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Yeh tanz kab tha? I’m getting with the times, so should you.
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Many societies in Europe consider the veil, genital mutilation (circumcision), and polygamy to be wrong as well. Are you ok with Europeans forcing their beliefs on Muslims?
Peace kprasad
Perhaps the nuns, the transgenders and people who have multiple sexual relationships in Europe would stand with the Muslims on those issues above?