Tolerating the wrong ..

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We are made to believe that adherence to religion is a personal thing. We should have the tolerance to ignore and live with people’s choices.

Question now is , is it right to continue to ignore what religion forbade us against, under the guise of tolerance?

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the injunctions have been mentioned throughout Qur'aan and never mentioned alone...and those are:
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-enjoin good and forbid evil**

some nations in the past had been punished by Allah for this very reason that they stopped "forbidding bad/evil". we are still being punished everyday.

we must not be surprised if Allah punishes us for abandoning Allah's commands.

if we can NOT stop bad/evil, we should be vocal about it and if we can't even do that then at least feel bad about it...this is the least degree of what we must do.

we, unfortunately, do not feel even bad about it but try to justify and endorse the bad/evil.

may Allah guide us all to the right path [siraat al mustaqeem] that we ask Allah in every rak'at of every namaaz...aameen

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Peace Chicken Biryani

The fuller range of this matter can be understood from these four separate verses below:
The first verse tells us to call to call to good and forbid evil, but the context is to do that with those who have entrusted us as guardians and guides over them. If not then to voice an opinion is the limit.
When inviting to the right we should use wisdom and optimise the chances of acceptance to take place.
And where the issue may cause more fitnah if pursued then simply let them be - their way to them and your way to you, but finally
to also accept that one may be wrong and they may be right. So to be humble with knowledge and teaching.
Be prepared to change towards the right if you are shown to be wrong, avoid making it a one way arrangement.

Finally be prepared for accepting others, making excuses for them … accepting is better than tolerance. Through you accepting them first then they may eventually give you that trust and responsibility where they will take your advice and guidance.

Surat 'Ali `Imran [3:104] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful.

Surat An-Nahl [16:125] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.

Surat Al-Kafirun [109:6] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Surat Al-Hadid [57:16] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
Has the time not come for those who have believed that their hearts should become humbly submissive at the remembrance of Allah and what has come down of the truth? And let them not be like those who were given the Scripture before, and a long period passed over them, so their hearts hardened; and many of them are defiantly disobedient.

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Can anyone even come up with a list of universally accepted good and evil things? Barring a hand full of acts, if even that, I bet no one can. Good and evil is subjective; it's cultural; What you're asking is that everyone subscribe to your beliefs, not tolerance. There is a difference.

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Tolerance falls short of acceptance ... We accept others however they are, but we feel we should not be the only ones who have this amazing gift of faith and guidance so we merely show others how we arrived here ourselves and we wish others to benefit from this too, but in their own time or if they so choose never to then that is okay too ... Our job is to invite to a better way ... And the best way to invite others of the better way is not to argue with them, but to be nice to them, nice beyond imagination so they start to wonder ... How comes they love and care about me so much?

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if you consider something morally wrong, doesn't mean the entire world must also think its wrong. there is many different religions in the world, one cannot enforce their idea of what is religiously right on everyone else. even within one religion, there can be many ways of interpretation and differences. if your religion forbids something, then you should stay away from that, but why should anyone else have to follow your religious rules if they have different way of thinking?

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So if the tribes of Africa think that sacrificing human life to please the rain God is ok, then we should not force our believes on them, and let them be?

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is the OP talking about tolerating murderers?

And lets not pretend that folks who follow religion are above murder and killing innocent people. plenty of religious people even on this forum think its okay to KILL certain people based on their sexual orientation, and for apostasy, but thats okay?

btw, punishing murderers, thieves, or those who harm other people is not something exclusive to religion at all.

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We have to remember, I am talking about the bigger things that religion forbade us against, for example consuming pork, alcohol , adultery, shirk etc .. these kind of bigger matters which are very clearly stated in the holy book and hadeeth.

Obviously for smaller matters , I believe there is always room for tolerance as Psyah explained , we have to address knowledge in such a way that it finds approval. So i guess tolerance works best there , but not without having enough guts to voice ones's opinions in the least.

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Many societies in Europe consider the veil, genital mutilation (circumcision), and polygamy to be wrong as well. Are you ok with Europeans forcing their beliefs on Muslims?

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So, I'll assume you'll give other religions the same deference as you expect them to show you? After all, they also think they're following the true religion....etc..

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In Islam, hand cutting is the punishment of thieve. :hmmm:

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how does someone consuming pork, or having premarital sex, doesn't believe in God or maybe believes in multiple gods, affect YOU? If God is telling you not to do something, you dont have to do it. feel free to never commit adultery, fornication, or shirk, but if someone doesn't believe in the same religion as you, and for them pork, sex, shirk is NOT forbidden, why should they stop consuming those things?

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I for one think that any of the Speyside single malts are more divinely inspired than any religious book! I also live in Texas, and believe that if there is a god and if rights do flow from him/her, then it has to be my right to grill pork shoulders over a Texas style pit! As for adultery, I believe in a one person one spouse (be it same sex or heterosexual)...there for polygamy to me is equivalent to adultery!

Unless of course you mean that everyone should accept the Islamic notion of what's good and bad and evil?

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I dont agree with that punishment anyway, but thats not even the point here. even well before Islam, and christianity, theft was considered wrong. there have been many civilizations long before islam and christianity that had laws against murder, theft.

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I agree with what KKF said. Otherwise, the other additional thing I would do is that in addition to avoiding the sins myself, I would also avoid facilitating others to do the same. For instance, I would also refuse to sell or transport haram stuff like pork or alcohol. I'd refuse to take anyone to acquire these things or get to wrong environments such as bars etc. And above all, never justify or try to downplay the seriousness of those sins.

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is the OP talking about tolerating murderers?

And lets not pretend that folks who follow religion are above murder and killing innocent people. plenty of religious people even on this forum think its okay to KILL certain people based on their sexual orientation, and for apostasy, but thats okay?

btw, punishing murderers, thieves, or those who harm other people is not something exclusive to religion at all.
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Op was not. I was replying to your generalized statement.

And I am glad that you talked about punishing criminals. Not that I am in favor of it, but the people who think it’s ok to kill for apostasy might be taking apostasy as a crime. So at the end, the whole issue is not the punishment, as almost every nation execute criminals, but whether you agree that certain act is a crime or not. But that is a different debate.

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Many societies in Europe consider the veil, genital mutilation (circumcision), and polygamy to be wrong as well. Are you ok with Europeans forcing their beliefs on Muslims?
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Personally, yes I am ok, especially if those European nations have a justification that those acts cause harm to the(ir) society.

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I agree that what you consider a crime, may not be a crime somewhere else. And what you consider moral, I find immoral and vice versa. this topic is about tolerance towards those who go against religious laws like shirk, consuming haram things like alcohol, pork and sex out of marriage. Op made it clear in her second post. so please share what you think regarding this issue.
And for your example regarding african tribe : if one group thinks its okay to kill homosexuals, then someone can also think its okay to sacrifice humans to please god. dont you think so? they are not killing them for no reason, they are killing them to please their God. if killing humans is an order from God for someone, the same thing can be said for those african tribes.. so why hold those african tribes to a different standard?

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You can not ignore sins around you but you can consider them bad by heart at least level of faith.